How do atheists explain all the patterns, such as the Fibonacci sequence, found in the natural world?

Question

This could not have been the result of random evolution, clearly there must be some kind of intelligence behind it.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/wonders-of-creation-reveal-gods-glory/patterns/

Answer 1

Asymmetric cell division is selected for optimal growth patterns. 

Answer 2

The Fibonacci Sequence is not something found in the natural world. It is something created by mathematicians. Obviously it was not created by evolution, any more than  arithmetic was. Evolution creates living species, not mathematical concepts. 

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Answer 3

Argument from ignorance fallacy.

Just because you do not know the natural origin of something, or even if nobody knows the natural origin of it, that is not evidence it has a supernatural origin.

Answer 4

I dont. What makes you think we have some kind of magical explanation for anything? If you think it could not have been the result of evolution, please go ahead and demonstrate that. You might have to demonstrate that there is actually some kind of creator first. Which you cant, so your whole question is just so much poorly thought out troll material.

Answer 5

why can't it be the result of evolution.



Sequences like this tend to rely on very simple equations to produce them.   Why can't nature evolve to follow those simple equations?





If you are looking for "natural patterns" why is the universe designed such that PI and e are irrational numbers?    How inelegant is that?

Answer 6

How do theists explain randomness?

Answer 7

Maths underlies the way nature works. If a cell splits into two in a given time, then the increase in the number of cells is given by an exponential curve. No intelligence is needed. Similarly, the hexagonal symmetry of snowflakes is an entirely natural result of the forces between atoms and molecules of water. In some cases the way natural structures are are built is more complicated, so it is less obvious why mathematics such as the Fibonacci sequence apply, but that does not mean to say that the reasons are not entirely natural.

Answer 8

Evolution is NOT random--its most important mechanism is called natural SELECTION.



And non-random does NOT automatically mean deliberate.  You cannot claim deliberate, "intelligent design" when you have no independent evidence that your designer even exists.  Well...you  can CLAIM it, but anyone who understands science will either ignore you or roll their eyes and laugh at you.

Answer 9

Humans are pattern seeking creatures - so it's unsurprising that we find patterns in the natural world (whether they are actually there or not).



Your inability to conceive of how something like the Fibonacci sequence could've come about by random chance is not an argument against it.

Answer 10

you endow a supernatural being with intelligence because you have none of your own.

i get it, life must be so simple if everything you cannot understand is 'by the hand of god'.



it's not though.

Answer 11

"there must be some kind of intelligence behind it" - that is your opinion, it is not a rational conclusion.

Answer 12

Only the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth.  God intelligently designed the universe.

Answer 13

The same way I explain why locusts that lay dormant follow prime numbers to determine when they should wake up. The system worked so they stuck with it.



Evolution doesn't give you a perfect answer. Evolution gives you an answer. The sequence you are curious about is the result of addition based on what happened in the past two generations. If you look at how life evolved it pretty much follows this pattern. 1 cell, 1 cell, 2 cells, and so on. It takes what works and adds complexity. Simple spirals can't be rendered any other way that works besides using this sequence.



Its been a while since I looked for it but there used to be a site where you could type in sequences of numbers and it would tell you exactly what algorithm generated them. Anyone who has taken an intro to AI class can tell you that its more a question of effort than anything else to make an algorithm that generates the dataset. My point is of the massive libraries of possible sequences the natural world only settled on a few.



On top of this the problem is humans. Basically all our brains really do is keep our skulls from caving in and pattern finding. We found a pattern so now we find the pattern in nature. You must have encountered a moment in life where you learned something new and saw it everywhere.



In summary



1. It works.



2. There are so many possible patterns we were bound to find one more common then others.



3. It isn't really that common considering that we literally have an entire biosphere to find what we want to find. And if you torture a dataset long enough it will confess to anything.





Good question btw.

 

Answer 14

This again, uh? The human mind evolved to see patterns. Especially faces. We needed pattern recognition skills to recognize prey, food and or "home". Without this we would have died off. Today, in the land of plenty, pattern recognition is not needed entirely, but we still have it. It's why babies recognize mommy. Or why idiots see Jesus in toast. Most of what you think is a pattern...well...isn't. 

Answer 15

Even in kayos there are moments of conformity but these do not validate that which mankind has created so many of.

Answer 16

It's recognised by science by observation of nature..as are all other natural laws..

Answer 17

"This could not have been the result of random evolution" and yet you have no way of knowing that. 









What's your KNOWLEDGE seeking question about religion or spirituality? Trying to show atheists you think they are wrong, doesn't qualify. 

Answer 18

That seems to be an efficient arrangement that things naturally fall into.  No magic is required.  I suppose you think water flowing downhill is evidence for your god, or the fact that planets form oblate spheres proves a god, too. You can't grasp that the natural world tends to sort itself out in predictable ways due to forces like gravity or chemical bonds.

Answer 19

Atheists know no proof of any god has been provided

Mathematicians explain numbers

I don't have to explain anything to you as it's not my job to fill in your educational gaps

Answer 20

"This could not have been the result of random evolution..."

You don't know that. You're attributing it to God because you don't have any other explanation.