JW's and Mormons, What do you think of each other? Both claim restoration of the original church?

Question

Both came out around the same time, Both founded by freemasons, Both have major conflicting view, Both certain they are right, both go door to door. Whats the deal?

Answer 1

Being an ex-JW, I can say that both sects are quite unique. However, the one thing they do have in common are flawed prophecies - 1914, 1925, 1957, 1975 - armaggedon didn't happen then! The Mormons have added to the Bible and have given various prophecies involving the moon, and that has indeed been proven false as well.



Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.



Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.



Both are wrong. However, I will say that the vast majority of believers on both sides are good G-d fearing people and have an honest heart.

Answer 2

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Answer 3

As a Mormon, we have nothing against Jehovah's Witnesses, if that what you mean. We just have different opinions. Just because we think that we are the one true religion doesn't mean that other religions are completely false- we believe the same things as many other religions, we just believe that our church includes everything that is true, and doesn't contain any falsehood- as we believe that some religions have true key concepts, some don't contain the full truth, ect. The Mormons have 13 verses in the Book of Mormon that state their beliefs- and number 11 states:

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping the Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscious, and we allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.



Unlike the anti-Mormons, we believe that it's up to a person to decide what religion we are, or where we worship, or what they worship, and it's none of our business to criticize or interfere with that.

Answer 4

Yeah, well as a Mormon the whole multiple predictions of the second coming never happening for JWs is a little weird. Plus, their disbelief in spirits and or Holy Ghost is a little different for me.



Yes, there are some prophecies that didn't come true in the Mormon faith, but there are A LOT of prophecies that did. For example Joseph Smith predicted the year and state in which the civil war would start and why it would be fought. This was more than 20 years before it happened.

Answer 5

I have what you might call an unusual perspective: I am a Jehovah's Witness, who was born into a Mormon family, and raised in Utah, and I could not give you better information than Nevada Smith has given you.

My grandfather wrote a book about Mormonism vs the bible, when he came out of Mormonism; the need for additional scripture, when the bible book of Galatians plainly says that if even an ANGEL were to declare good news beyond what the bible said, that he would be accursed-really got grandpas' attention. Joseph got the golden plates from just such an angel. This-combined with the idea that men can become gods-was the deciding factor in my grandfathers' decision to leave the LDS church. After studying with different churches, he found the Jehovah's witnesses ( his own father had become a International Bible Student-the original name of JWs-back in the early part of the 20th century), and his bible questions were answered to his satisfaction-finally.

The commission to preach and teach is lifelong, not just for two years. Jesus said that we were to be 'continually following' him.

The idea of man becoming god is only in Genesis, where SATAN promises Eve that she will become like God. This was the first LIE.

The God of the old testament is the same God in the new testament-Mormons believe there is a 'cast change', and the God of the OT (Jehovah), is Jesus in the NT.

The bible teaches that Jesus was born in the town of Bethlehem, and the Book of Mormon tells us it was Jerusalem.

Modern day prophesies of the LDS include one about inhabitants of the moon, which has since been proven to be false.

Most of my family are still LDS, and I have great love for them, and respect for their faith, but I find that I am compelled to seek a different truth than what they have. Mine will be based on the bible, and my commission to teach will not end until God says so. I have no expectations of being a goddess, but look forward eagerly to life in paradise on earth. I have no need for additional scripture, since the bible takes me at least 1000 years into the future, and tells me that at THAT time, new scrolls will be opened.

Yes, I am certain JWs are right, or I wouldn't be one. To answer otherwise would be hypocritical.

Answer 6

We respect the JW's right to worship how will and what they may and preach it.



I am not aware of the JW's association with freemasonry. The leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints did not join the free masons until after the church was founded and they did so in hopes of improving the image of the church.



Both go door to door because they feel what they have to say is important. The JW's go door to door their entire life. The Church of Jesus Christ allows missionaries to volunteer between the ages of 19 to 25 and elderly members because they feel that the family is central to God's plan for us and members of other ages need to be earnestly engaged in building their families.



I met with many JW's while representing the church on a mission. It is my understanding and they may correct me if I'm wrong that they do not claim to be a restoration of the original church they claim to be a reformation and their bible was translated by a large group of bible scholars.

Answer 7

Decades ago, I became a JW.

Within the first month I had a visit from 2 missionary LDS elders.



They ardently tried to convince me they were spreading Gods truth.



My only question was one based on the Bible. John 13: 34,35 . .to have love among yourselves.

It would be the publicly defining sign of Gods true organization.



That was where their problem started.

If Ronald Reagan asked them to join the military and then fly a bomber plane over my home because we were at war . .would they? They said YES! The President told them too.



They were prepared to preach and convert me to become one of their 'spiritual sisters'. .yet bomb the tar out of me if asked to do so by a political leader.



I gave them a firm hand gesture to sweep them away.

Answer 8

Vot agrees with Nevada Smith: the Mormons as a group have admirable qualities sorely lacking in other groups claiming to be Christian.



Of course, being a JW shows that I think the JWs have it right, and not the Mormons. :-P

Answer 9

In my view, Mormons have some ideas even weirder than JWs.

It is not just to say both go from door to door.

With JWs, its everybody, all the time.

With Mormons, its 2 years for the youth only.

Answer 10

Jehovah's Witnesses picked up what the first century Christians have left off - the preaching work. When Jesus commanded "all" his disciples to "go" and preach, he didn't say they should do it for a year, two years, or until they reach certain age. Remember what Jesus said to the 7 congregations in the Bible book Revelation? He said, "I know your deeds" they neither "cold nor hot" (lukewarm). If they continued their lives course by just attending meetings and not being active in what was expected, he will vomit them out. Their love for Jehovah God had cooled off. They lost their zeal in declaring the Kingdom message to other people and had forgotten their love for God. --Matt 24:14; 28:19-20; Rev 3:15-19.



Romans 10:11-15 states: For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”



Joel 2:32 says: "And it must occur that everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will get away safe; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.”



Isaiah 2:4-2-3 talks about the time we are living in, the last days.



"And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem."



Isaiah 11:9 says: "...Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea."

Answer 11

JW's follow Jehovah God and believe his son died for mankind.



I don't know what Mormons believe exactly but when I have spoken to them I found out they do not have the truth.....and Mormons go door to door for 2 years....JW's go door to door till they die because the people in the world need to hear the good news...That Jehovah has set up a Kingdom that will never come to an end and we will live in perfect health on his new cleansed earth forever.

Answer 12

I am a mormon and dont really kow about jahovas wittnesses but our 11 artical of faith says



11.We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.



the articals of faith tellalot about us here are the rest



1.We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.





2.We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.





3.We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.





4.We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.





5.We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.





6.We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.





7.We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.





8.We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.





9.We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.





10.We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.





11.We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.





12.We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.





13.We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.



Joseph Smith



an no, we dont pray to joseph smith or whatever

Answer 13

I have a lot of respect for the Mormons. They are sincere and have a reputation for being honest. They don't smoke or drink. I don't even think they drink coffee.



Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the Bible was not meant to have new writings added to it. At least not until the thousand year rule of Christ.



"Every saying of God is refined. He is a shield to those taking refuge in him. Add nothing to his words, that he may not reprove you, and that you may not have to be proved a liar." Proverbs 30:5,6



“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll." Revelation 22:18,19

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LDS writers express profound misgivings about the Bible’s reliability because of alleged deletions and translation errors. Mormon apostle James E. Talmage, in his book A Study of the Articles of Faith, urges: “Let the Bible then be read reverently and with prayerful care, the reader ever seeking the light of the Spirit that he may discern between truth and the errors of men.” Orson Pratt, an early Mormon apostle, went further: “Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution?”

On this issue, though, the Mormons do not appear to be aware of all the facts. True, the Bible text has been copied and translated repeatedly over the years. Yet, the evidence of its essential purity is overwhelming. Thousands of early Hebrew and Greek manuscripts have been scrutinized alongside more recent copies of the Bible. For example, the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah, dated from the second century B.C.E., was compared with a manuscript dated over a thousand years later. Had serious corruptions crept in? On the contrary, one scholar’s analysis stated that the few discrepancies found “consisted chiefly of obvious slips of the pen and variations in spelling.”

After a lifetime of intense study, former British Museum director Sir Frederic Kenyon testified: “The Christian can take the whole Bible in his hand and say without fear or hesitation that he holds in it the true Word of God, handed down without essential loss from generation to generation throughout the centuries.” Thus, the psalmist’s words are still true today: “The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” (Psalm 12:6, King James Version) Do we really need more?

“Thou fool,” reproaches The Book of Mormon at 2 Nephi 29:6, “that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible.” Many Mormons, however, have pondered the apostle Paul’s stern words in the Bible at Galatians 1:8 (KJ): “Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

LDS scholars explain that the new scripture is not beyond what is declared in the Bible but is only a clarification and complement thereof. “There is no tension between the two,” writes Rex E. Lee, president of Brigham Young University. “Both the Bible and the Book of Mormon teach the same plan of salvation.” Is there agreement between these books? Consider the Mormon plan of salvation.



“Though we do not remember it,” explains Lee, “we existed as spirits before this life.” According to this LDS belief of eternal progression, by strict obedience a man may become a god—a creator like God. “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens,” stated Joseph Smith. “You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, . . . the same as all Gods have done before you.” Mormon prophet Lorenzo Snow said: “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become.”

Is such a future presented in the pages of the Bible? The only offer of godhood ever recorded there was the empty promise by Satan the Devil in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 3:5) The Bible shows that God created Adam and Eve to live on earth and instructed them to produce a perfect human family that would live here in happiness eternally. (Genesis 1:28; 3:22; Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 65:21-25) Adam’s willful disobedience brought sin and death into the world.—Romans 5:12.

The Book of Mormon says that had the former spirits Adam and Eve remained sinless, they would have been childless and joyless, alone in Paradise. So its version of the sin of the first married couple involved sexual intercourse and childbearing. “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.” (2 Nephi 2:22, 23, 25) Spirits in heaven are thus said to await a chance to live on a sinful earth—a necessary step toward perfection and godhood. Says the LDS magazine Ensign: “We look upon what Adam and Eve did with great appreciation rather than with disdain.”

“This doctrine [that man existed in the spirit creation],” says Joseph Fielding Smith, great-nephew of Joseph Smith, “in the Bible is only discerned through a mist or fog . . . because many plain and precious things have been taken out of the Bible.” Further he states: “This belief is based upon a revelation given to the Church, May 6, 1833.” Therefore, while accepting the Bible’s authority, in case of disagreement LDS doctrine necessarily assigns greater weight to the words of their prophets.



Jehovah's Witnesses on the other hand, accept the Bible first and foremost even above their own Bible study publications.

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Leslie H has my vote... After all she was born into a Mormon family.

Answer 14

Why just pick on these two? All denominations are certain that their way is the right way. In fact, all religions think they are the right one and that all others are wrong or mistaken.

Answer 15

JW's are completely wrong.



The only true Church of Christ is either the Catholic Church or the LDS Church. Catholics have good points and Mormons have good points.



Study them and pray over them, you'll find what you're looking for.