Why do Atheists use the OT against Christians?

mt75689

2015-11-02 03:23:26 UTC

They use the OT against us because they actually believe this is a successful strategy against Christianity. What it really amounts to though is they are too intellectually lazy to bother with understanding the reasons why we make distinctions between what applies to us and what doesn't. They're incapable of seeing that all of their accusations completely miss the mark.

Ricardo

2015-11-02 04:32:10 UTC

Why do Atheists use the OT against Christians?

- It is YOUR "word of god", it cannot be used "against" you, so why do you ignore it. Sorry, I forgot, you only accept what is convenient.

When he key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians.

- YOU are the ones bringing up the 10 commandments, but that is OT so we can toss that.

Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God

- Stone your kids for talking back, stone your daughter for not being a virgin, Sell your daughters into slavery. Yes, these things please god.

When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law

- Except that he said he did not come to change one law, one word or one tittle of the law. Try actually reading your bible, not just the convenient parts.

Also the times were different

- Yes, rape is not considered a marriage proposal any more.

not eating pork or wearing mixed material or even being gay were banned in order to set Israel apart from other nations, not necessarily dumb if you think about the times.

- Most of Leviticus was about health and not being ripped off, it had nothing to do about lifestyle.

so the punishment like it has been in nearly ALL civilizations since the dawn

- Try reading something intelligent, like the Code of Hammurabi, It makes sense.

So why do Atheists use the OT against Christians without researching it?

- We do, you obviously don't.

It would make more sense to use it against Jews as that s their focal book.

- The Jews follow it far more closely, you are the ones who say it is the word of god, so either it is or you decide you know more than god.

?

2015-11-02 02:52:47 UTC

The old testament differs from the torah, so 'using the OT against the jews' is kinda silly.

As christians 'use' the OT (it's part of the bible, those silly Creationists take Genesis literally - even the previous pope called denying evolution ABSURD) it makes perfect sense to refer to at the very least parts of the OT.

I like the commandment against making carven images; if you are a christian, shouldn't you at the very least follow those ten commandments? So WHY are catholic churches full of statues? (just an example, obviously)

It's the christian problem; if you aren't going to take the whole bible literally, on what basis do you decide which bits (OT or NT) to take seriously? There are so many 'flavours' of christianity that you really cannot reasonably expect a non christian to know the difference(s) between the different flavours ....

.... and as I said; those Creationist loons are rather 'vocal' and adamant that a part of the OT is to be taken literally. Naturally an atheist speaking up will speak out against the most vocal christian absurdities; that'd be OT nonsense like the talking snake, the talking donkey (Bileam!) etcetera.

Maurog IV

2015-11-02 03:06:47 UTC

Because Christians have the OT in their bible and quote it all the time.

If you're some kind of NT-only Christian, I'd be happy to point out why the NT is full of contradictions and nonsense just like the OT. Can you answer this - which character in the NT told slaves to obey their masters even if the masters are cruel and unfair?

Jonathn

2015-11-02 03:30:44 UTC

Jesus came to fulfill the laws of the OT and He did it by willingly subjecting Himself to the punishment and execution by the hands of the keepers of the OT laws. Many atheists don't get that point. Jesus was talking about the laws. He was not saying that the whole contents of the OT has no significance to Christianity. Many lessons are significant. Also it is worth noting that Jesus' backed up His commandments by the examples of His actions -- charity, forgiveness, humility, etc.

2015-11-02 02:54:32 UTC

Atheists use the OT against Christians

1.) Because Christians like to cherry-pick the OT verses they like the best and pretend they're in full effect. Like that verse that talks about "if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, yadda yadda, I will heal their land"... That verse has nothing to do with America according to most theologians, but lots of Christians still like to pull it out and pretend that if the US all became super-Christian, God would be obligated to make us into the economic and military superpower we were in the years following WW2.

2.) Because a lot of atheists don't bother learning how most Christians view the OT and NT relating to each other. So they have no idea about the New Covenant vs. the Old Covenant. I've scolded atheists here several times for failing to know what they're talking about on this point, and I get lots of thumbs down when I do.

3.) Because the OT is pretty f*cking absurd if you try to take it as a textbook on history and science. But most conservative Christians take it that way, anyway.

Al

2015-11-02 03:29:36 UTC

Atheists use the OT against Christians because Christians claim the Bible was either written by god, or inspired by god. Anyone who says the New Testament changed everything is unwittingly admitting that God got everything wrong, and Paul and Jesus had to fix God's terrible, immoral written mistakes.

?

2015-11-02 05:16:12 UTC

Because Christians goes on about the ten commandements and that IS part of the OT,right? And it IS the same god in NT and GT, right?

?

2015-11-02 02:48:12 UTC

The Old Testament is the foundation that Christianity is built on. Without the OT, you have no Son of God. The OT proves beyond a shadow of doubt that God is a fictional character, thus it proves that the New Testament is based of fiction. So, either Jesus is a fictional character or he was a delusional, lying lunatic.

2015-11-02 02:46:53 UTC

In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus said all the OT laws will apply as long as heaven and earth exist.

Didn't you know that?

2015-11-02 03:54:03 UTC

"So, those atheists who DO proliferate this site clearly have an agenda. It is to attack Christianity, because they don't want to see Christianity in the public sector" No wonder you're the BA queen Ani ! You catch on SO quickly!

the internet

2015-11-02 03:36:22 UTC

OT is part of the bible. Bible is true word of god.

Gods word does not change. Gods morals do not change.

God of OT is the same god as NT god.

In the OT god requires unholy things from his followers.

(see Deut. 13:12-16) OT god is a terrorist.

I see no reason to let christians get away with that.

Annsan_In_Him

2015-11-02 02:47:41 UTC

Hang on, folks! Any atheist trying to use the Old Testament to attack Christians is giving the game away.

You see, atheists claim that they don't believe any God exists, and certainly not the God of the OT.

So what are they doing, quoting from writings that they say are just a collection of myths and folklore?

No atheist worth their salt would be found dead on a religion and spirituality site, arguing about what some religious writings state. So, those atheists who DO proliferate this site clearly have an agenda. It is to attack Christianity, because they don't want to see Christianity in the public sector. That's why they are here. This has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.

2015-11-02 02:42:23 UTC

As a Christian, do you think the Ten Commandments are valid?

You do?

Then, THAT'S why we use the OT against you.

But, YOU want to say "I believe in the entire Bible because it is the Word of God... oh, but not that part, or this part, or that, over here...."

Nous

2015-11-02 07:01:20 UTC

So you refute the prophesy of a Messiah and therefore Jesus cannot be it then?

You obviously fail to realise that Chrsitianity is merely an offshoot of Judaism and the God you worship is the Judaic God the only difference being that you claim Jesus is the son of the Judaic God!

Do please try and do a little research!

?

2015-11-02 02:46:15 UTC

huh, according to generally held christian belief as cited in the NT christ specifically states the old laws still apply

what has changed is that a new covenant has been made according to christianity which means your sins can be absolved through accepting jesus and following the law

youre not very good at this are you

Gary B

2015-11-02 07:53:19 UTC

The BIGGEST reason is that atheists argue from a basis of lack of knowledge and the presence of lies told to them by others who also lack knowledge and believe lies.

Brendon

2015-11-02 02:50:09 UTC

I'm not an atheist..

I don't carry a titled religion..

but don't you find it kind of odd that most "Christians" are extremely lost when it comes to the 1st half of the Bible?

wait...a lot of Christians don't even read the Bible...

I don't know why atheist waste time on Christians...

or vice-versa..

People will always be who they want.

Squidmaster

2015-11-02 02:41:49 UTC

Atheists DO research it.

Don't forget that Jesus (supposedly) specifically said he did NOT come to do away with the old laws. They are STILL the laws of God.

?

2015-11-02 03:09:22 UTC

i ma an atheist , do you know me ?,

you speak about the atheist like if you know all of them.

?

2015-11-02 02:53:13 UTC

Fiction is still usable.

G C

2015-11-02 03:11:13 UTC

Because they do not understand it.