Question:
Has anyone seen this true Islam?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Has anyone seen this true Islam?
21 answers:
Bad Boy with a Gud Heart
2006-05-30 12:41:55 UTC
OK . . ok . . ok . . People STOP ! ! !



Issues about anybodies religion Should NEVER BE BROUGHT UP. . . You could be a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu . . . You could be anyone for that matter. . .



Religion is a very sensitive topic and NO ONE has the right to say what they want about it . . Remember one thing . . . U did not Choose the religion . . . Religion chose you



So by making all these false accusations against each others religion will get you no where . . .



Its times like these that good men into TERRORIST’S . . . You comment on someone’s religion he does the same to you. . . it goes on and on . . until one of you get so furious that . . . You want to take revenge on that person or on everyone who the same religion .



I am not sure what the Muslims have done against you my friend . . . for you surely seem PISSED at them . . . But what ever it is . . or was . . it still does not give you the right to talk about anyone’s religion . . .



Your affairs should remain with you . . until the time u Die . . . U have not be given the Right to JUDGE anyone . . . whether there are GOOD or bad . . That’s GOD’S job . . .



If you start judging people then that would mean that you think of yourself as “GOD” which goes against all Religions . . . whether Christianity or Islam



SO THINK BEFORE YOU INK DUDE !!!!





“I never cease being dumbfounded by the unbelievable things people believe.” - Leo Rosten
Baby #3 due 10/13/09
2006-05-30 21:26:03 UTC
No, I've not seen the 'true' Islaam (the one Muslims refer to atleast). For some reason true Islaam is hidden from anyone who doesn't speak Arabic. I've had this debate time and again. No Muslim can answer my questions. None can explain the passages in the Tabari or Isaq...instead they discredit both books.



Problem is, when they discredit these book they end up discrediting the Koran. Without the Tabari and Isaq the Koran is a bunch of senseless babbling. The Tabari and ISaq give us the people/place details to make sense of the Koran.



Why do the Muslims like to discredit the Tabari and Isaq. They say that when translated their books have lost their 'true' meaning. But, the Tabari and Isaq are UNEDITED. Even the recent editions of the Koran are edited to make Muhammed look nicer and better. But, without the Tabari and Isaq there is no record of Muhammed until 850 AD.



The true Islaam is the Islaam you and I see. We can see it for what it is. It's especially dangerous because most people don't READ or EDUCATE themselves. So, they are easily led astray when told about Muhammed - because Muhammed stole Jewish and Christian scriptures.





You are a very brave...I bet you have gotten a lot of hate mail due to this. Hopefully no threats. Some folks just don't like to be challenged...
world_gypsy
2006-05-30 12:22:08 UTC
Let's see -- in 1953, Iran, a country with a LOT of Muslims, had a democratically-elected government. They moved to nationalize oil, in part to end human rights abuses by the British oil company. The Brits appealed to the USA for help. Eisenhower, convinced by the Dulles brothers that Iran was somehow a Communist threat, authorized covert action against the Iranian government. Mossadegh was overthrown and the Shah installed by the USA.



Would you use this as an example of true Christianity?



How about the unprovoked invasion of Iraq, just because their dictator ran his mouth off to try to convince the world he had more power than he did? Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and no WMDs (and we should know -- we supplied both sides during the Iraq-Iran war). How about the abuses at Abu Ghraib? Not all of those prisoners were even fighting against the invaders (USA); some were picked up and tortured by mistake.



Would you use this as an example of true Christianity?



How about the overthrow of the government of Guatemala because United Fruit wanted to continue cheating on their taxes?



ld you use this as an example of true Christianity?
anonymous
2006-05-30 14:15:02 UTC
I'm sorry, but I think there is something strangely surreal about your question.



You describe yourself as 'Reverend Kip' at least that is what I assume the abbreviation stands for.



I'm not sure exactly what Elohim Evangelical Ministries take as the basis of their teaching of the Christian message, but I struggle to believe that it could be the same message I was brought up with.



I suggest that you read your New Testament again - and thoroughly.



Your post is full of sweeping generalisations and half-truths.



You should also look back over Christian history and do a quick cross check. I doubt you will find anything being done in the name of ISlam that hasn't already been done in the name of Christianity.
student_amsterdam
2006-05-30 12:03:00 UTC
Has anyone seen true Christianity? You have socalled Christian governments that have no regards for human rights (Guantanamo Bay), or U.N. treaties (United States of America).

When will you stop believing all the propaganda and look at the facts? There are more than 1.000.000.000 muslims in the world, and you think that they all are terrorists or support terrorism?
Victor ious
2006-05-30 12:26:11 UTC
Reverend Kip? is that YOU in there? I used to think you were a fairly intelligent and decent man. I agree with your views of Islam BUT beating them? That's not in line with the New Testament teachings.



You have to remember at Guantanamo (however its spelled) there were a mix of prisoners. Some as guilty as sin - some guilty by aid and comfort to the enemy AND some innocent and just picked up on suspicion!



How utterly EVIL it would be for those few innocent to be beaten and tortured as a guilty man in the process of weeding them out. As for the guilty - thats well within the jurisprudence of those in charge.



The kind of thinking you use is the same mentality as those Muslims who would kill their own for converting to Christianity and no different. Injustice is injustice.



The guilty according to the laws of man should be treated accordingly BUT THE INNOCENT ones deserve better.
neveroutnumbered
2006-05-31 07:19:27 UTC
You are saying you are supporting violence against the terrorist in prison problem is most have admittingly wrongfully imprisoned. So if you support violence against innocent people for the sake of your country you are just as bad as them. Which makes you a hypocrite. Hey REV what does the Bible say about hypocrites. Also here is a link to show you the true christianity



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2255902.stm
anonymous
2006-05-30 12:14:37 UTC
You know nothing about Islam, and you have no right to judge it that way, all you know is what your media is telling you, try hearing it from the other side for a change, the real truth , the real Islam, and the real west.
MissChatea
2006-05-30 20:17:38 UTC
Rev. Kip, mmmmm you must get a lot of heat mail...LOL

One must not worry about what others think...Lesson learned;



One must know our own God first, and those that know who we are and what we are about will know that living a Godly life and not denouncing other Gods or believes is not very good Christian living....Lesson learned;



I think the spectrum that you speak of is bigger then we know it to be. It will take many life times to change and with good intentions it will, but right now its about education!



Thanks for all that you do!
anonymous
2006-05-30 12:10:45 UTC
Wonder how long it will be before some schmuck replies with three pages of plagiarized Bologna. Yeah, I hear a lot of people saying they are a religion of peace, I think that a lot of them are peaceful, but they need to fess up and state that a lot of hate and violence does come out of people who worship out of the same book they do.
anonymous
2006-05-30 07:13:59 UTC
Never ever!



You are very correct. There are certain qualities which only this 'peaceful religion' possess:



1. Ever heard of a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu suicide bomber? It is always(or 99%) someone Muslim. C'mon Muslims are not the only oppressed ppl in this world.



2. Do you know about the innocent US citizens Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg whose heads were mercilessly chopped off using pocket knife by Islamic fundamentalists as if they were not humans but vegetables.



3. A lot of Muslims say they are moderate but this phenomena is confined only to countries where they are a minority. Go to the Gulf countries & you will know how moderate they are.



4. If a Muslim questions Islam, he is fit to be sentenced to death. Case in point of a person in Afghanistan who converted to Christianity & was sentenced to death but later on barely saved from the clutches of Islamic mullahs there.



5. Muslims have a very low threshold for tolerance towards other religions. They can ram jetliners into buildings, behead people & cheer but will lash out at you if you dare say anything about this 'peace-loving' religion.



Does any 'moderate-muslim' has an answer to these questions or do I deserve to be beheaded for this answer?



Some 'sane' answers here say Muslims are very tolerant except if you are a non-Muslim & you don't belive in or follow Islam. In these two cases Muslims are allowed by their religion to kill the 'Infidels'.



How tolerant!
Pervy_Pirate
2006-05-30 15:31:19 UTC
True Islam is like true Christianity; its a hoax



Don't you Christians want to do a little killing on your own sometimes ;-)

How does it feel to have and atheist president that claims to be a Christian



God bless you
Mostafa Al Banna
2006-05-30 12:18:41 UTC
Although I have never seen the "True Islam", I strongly condemn your suggestion to violate human rights in favour of security.
jade140400
2006-05-30 12:10:57 UTC
I think you have to study Islam religion before making any statements
anonymous
2006-05-30 12:04:47 UTC
do you mean Guantanamo?



or Horishima? or killing native americans?

or Hitler? or WWI and WW2?

or occupying other countries and steal their sources?



muslim people are like any other people. love their family and children and want to live peacefuly.



muslims are being tricked by a nasty game drawing against them. God knows best. and God stand with the truth.
Voltage Transformer 33kV
2006-05-30 12:01:51 UTC
U only see what your eyes want to see. what u see islam is based on your perception. try study islam first, then u know what is the true islam.
Clyde
2006-05-30 12:04:37 UTC
sorry I'm stay away for any religion that allows some nut to run around blowing people up... have trouble believing

any god or being will reward you for that one ..stone age thinking in my opinion.....[they may evolve in another million years]
PINKO P
2006-05-30 12:02:25 UTC
Where are you living? Please be more open minded and go for yourself and see Yemen, etc.... You will realize that are highly cultivated and fine persons - many even very nice.
s_haggard00
2006-05-30 14:16:54 UTC
I think you a nuts. & if you really are a rev I bet not many people go to your church..
anonymous
2006-05-30 12:10:26 UTC
We should beat prisoners? How very christian of you :-(
Biomimetik
2006-05-30 12:16:33 UTC
Governments in Muslim countries including Iran, are the product of the racist western Crusade to Muslim countries. The West installed the political elite there and have been nurturing and supporting them for over two centuries. There are plenty of sources to educate you about Islam, as there is no true Islam and a false one. The most important of those is the Noble Qura'an. If you are looking for evidence for murder of innocent civilians along with their dogs, cats and donkeys, and the stoning of adulterers the you should find plenty of unequivocal verses in the Bible, but not in the Noble Qura'an.



The Book of Joshua, so often invoked today by the army rabbinate in Israel in order to preach holy war, and also made much of in school-teaching, dwells upon the sanctified extermination of conquered populations, putting everyone to "the edge of the sword" _ "both man and woman, yound and old" (Joshua, vi, 21)





Some Examples of Israel's Half-Century

Reign of Terror



The King David Massacre, 1946: 92 dead

This attack was carried out by the Irgun terrorist organization and with the knowledge of David Ben Gurion, the highest-ranking Zionist official of the period. A total of 92 people, consisting of Britons, Palestinians, and Jews, were killed, and 45 were seriously injured.

Baldat Al-Shaikh Massacre, 1947: 60 dead

Sixty Palestinians sleeping in their beds, among them women, children, and the elderly, lost their lives as a result of this attack, which was carried out by 150-200 Zionist terrorists. The attack began at 2:00 a.m. and lasted for 4 hours.



Yehida Massacre, 1947: 13 dead

At Yehida, one of the first Zionist settlements, Zionist assailants dressed as British soldiers opened fire on Muslims.



Khisas Massacre, 1947: 10 dead

Two cars full of Haganah members entered the village of Khisas on the Lebanese border and opened fire on everyone who crossed their paths.



Qazaza Massacre, 1947: 5 children dead

Five children lost their lives in this episode, in which Zionist terrorists attacked a random house.



The Semiramis Hotel Massacre, 1948: 19 dead

In an operation aimed at making the Palestinians uneasy and forcing them out of Jerusalem, a group of Zionist terrorists directed by Israel's first president, David Ben Gurion, blew up the Semiramis Hotel. Nineteen people were killed.



Naser al-Din Massacre, 1948

A group of Zionist terrorists dressed as Arab soldiers opened fire on those townspeople who left their homes to greet them. Only 40 people escaped the carnage, and the village was wiped off the map.



The Tantura Massacre, 1948: 200 dead

Tantura, now home to about 1,500 Jewish settlers, was the site of a large massacre of Muslims in 1948. Israeli historian Teddy Katz described the attack as follows: "From the numbers, this is definitely one of the biggest massacres."



The Dahmash Mosque Massacre, 1948: 100 dead

Israeli 89th Commando Battalion lead by the future Minister of Defense Moshe Dayan, announced to the villagers that they would be safe only if they assembled at the mosque. However, the 100 Muslims who sought refuge there were slaughtered. The terrified residents of Lydda and Ramle abandoned their lands. Approximately 60,000 Palestinians emigrated, and 350 more died en route due to poor medical conditions.



Dawayma Massacre, 1948: 100 dead

This attack was one of the largest Israeli massacres. A majority of those killed were assembled at the mosque for Friday prayers. Palestinian women were raped during the attack, and homes were dynamited with people inside them.

Houla Massacre, 1948: 85 dead

Israeli soldiers forced 85 people into a house and then set it on fire. Afterwards, most of the terrified residents fled to Beirut. Of the 12,000 original residents of Houla, only 1,200 remained.



Salha Massacre, 1948: 105 dead

After residents of the village were forced into the mosque, the people were fired upon until not a single person remained alive.



Deir Yassin Massacre, 1948: 254 dead

The fact that the world agenda is controlled by the Western media, most of which is pro-Israeli, sometimes prevents events occurring within Israel from coming to light. But some incidents of such violence and cruelty have been documented in detail by international organizations. This is one of those incidents, and was carried out by the Irgun and Stern terrorist organizations.

On the night of April 9, 1948, the people of Deir Yassin awoke to the order "evacuate the village" coming from loudspeakers. Before they understood what was happening, they had been slaughtered. Subsequent Red Cross and United Nations investigations conducted at the scene showed that houses were first set on fire and that all people trying to escape the flames were shot dead. During the attack, pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive. The victims' organs were mutilated, and even children were beaten and raped. Throughout the Deir Yassin massacre, 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and then they were slain and their heads cut off. More than 60 women were killed and their bodies mutilated.35 One woman who escaped alive related the following atrocity that she had witnessed:

I saw a soldier grabbing my sister, Saliha al-Halabi, who was nine months pregnant. He pointed a machine gun at her neck, then emptied its contents into her body. Then he turned into a butcher, and grabbed a knife and ripped open her stomach to take out the slaughtered childe with his iniquitious Nazi knife.36

Not satisfied with just the massacre, the terrorists then rounded up all the women and girls who remained alive, removed all their clothes, put them in open cars, driving them naked through the streets of the Jewish section of Jerusalem. Jacques Reynier, the Red Cross representative of Palestine at the time, who saw the mutilated bodies during his visit to Deir Yassin the day after the attack, could only say: "The situation was horrible."37

During the course of the attack, 280 Muslims, among them women and children, were first paraded through the streets and then shot execution-style. Most of the girls had been raped before their execution, and the boys' genitals had been cut off.38

It should be pointed out that the terrorists who carried out this atrocity were not members of radical organizations acting outside the law or beyond the government's control; rather, they were controlled directly by the Israeli government. The Deir Yassin massacre was carried by the Irgun and Stern gangs, under the direct leadership of Menachem Begin, the future prime minister of Israel.

Begin described this inhuman operation, merely one example of the official policy of Israeli brutality, in these words: "The massacre was not only justified, but there would not have been a state of Israel without the 'victory' at Deir Yassin."39 Zionists used such attacks to terrorize the Palestinians and drive them from their land so that the immigrating Jews would have a place to settle. Israel Eldad, a famous Zionist leader, expressed this truth openly when he said: "Had it not been for Deir Yassin - half a million Arabs would be living in the state of Israel [in 1948]. The State of Israel would not have existed."40

The Zionists considered this type of ethnic cleansing as vital to establishing the state of Israel. Indeed these operations, which continued after the Deir Yassin attack, caused many Palestinians either to abandon their land and flee, or to suffer the same fate as the residents of Deir Yassin.



The Massacre at Qibya, 1953: 96 dead

Another Zionist attack designed to "encourage" the Palestinians to flee occurred in Qibya, a village of 2,000 on the Jordanian border. Later investigations at the scene conducted by quite a few observers clearly revealed the nature of this atrocity. The Qibya massacre, which occurred on October 13, 1953, consisted of demolishing 40 houses and murdering 96 civilians, a majority of them women and children. The "101" unit was led by Ariel Sharon, another future prime minister of Israel. Its approximately 600 soldiers first cordoned off the village and severed its contact with all other Arab villages. Entering it at 4:00 a.m., the Zionist terrorists began to systematically demolish houses and kill the residents. An unperturbed Sharon, who personally led the attack, made the following announcement after the massacre: "The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example to everyone."41

Dr. Yousif Haikal, Jordanian ambassador to the United Nations at that time, explained the massacre in his report to the Security Council:

The Israelis entered the village and systematically murdered all occupants of houses, using automatic weapons, grenades, and incendiaries; and dynamited houses over victims' heads... Forty houses, the village school, and a reservoir were destroyed. Twenty-two cattle were killed and six shops looted.42

The famous Catholic journal The Sign, published in the United States, also reported on the atrocities perpetrated during this attack. Editor Ralph Gorman explained his thoughts as follows: "Terror was a political weapon of the Nazis. But the Nazis never used terror in a more cold-blooded and wanton manner than the Israelis in the massacre at Kibya."43

Those who later came to the massacre site encountered horrifying images. Most of the dead bore bullet wounds to the back of the head, and many had been decapitated. Along with people who died beneath the wreckage of their houses, many innocent women and children also were brutally murdered.



Kafr Qasem Massacre, 1956:49 dead

The attack on Kafr Qasem, during which 49 innocent people, without regard to women or children, young or old, were brutally murdered, occurred on October 29, 1956. On this very day, Israel also launched its assault on Egypt. Israeli frontier guards went on security rounds at about 4:00 p.m., claiming that they were securing the borders. They told local officials in the border towns that curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5:00 p.m. instead of the usual 6:00 p.m. One of these towns was Kafr Qasem, near the Jewish settlement of Betah Tekfa.

The townspeople were informed of the new curfew only at 4:45 p.m. The local official told the Israeli soldiers that most of the townspeople worked outside the town and, as they would just be returning from work, they could not possibly be informed of this change. At the same time, Israeli soldiers started to erect a barricade at the town's entrance. Meanwhile, those working outside the town started returning home. The first group soon reached the border of the town. What follows is eyewitness Abdullah Samir Bedir's account of what happened next:

We reached the village entrance at about 4:55 p.m. We were suddenly confronted by a frontier unit consisting of 12 men and an officer, all occupying an army truck. We greeted the officer in Hebrew saying 'Shalom Katsin' which means 'Peace be unto you officer,' to which he gave no reply. He then asked us in Arabic: 'Are you happy?' and we said 'Yes.' The soldiers started stepping down from the truck and the officer ordered us to line up. Then he shouted to his soldier this order: 'Laktasour Otem,' which means 'Reap them!' The soldiers opened fire�44

Bedir, who escaped this terrifying ordeal only by playing dead, was certainly not the only witness of this brutality. From this moment on, Israeli soldiers stopped every vehicle attempting to enter the town and executed those inside. Among them were 15- and 16-year-old boys, young girls, and pregnant women. Those who heard the noise and went outside to see what was going on were shot for violating the curfew the moment they stepped outside. The Israeli soldiers were ordered not to arrest, but to execute, all who violated the curfew.

This incident, reported in full detail in official Israeli Parliament records, is one of the most striking examples of official Israeli policy.



Khan Yunis Massacre, 1956:275 dead

The Israeli soldiers who attacked the refugee camp in Khan Yunis murdered 275 people. UN officials who conducted an on-site investigation discovered victims who had been shot in the back of the head after their hands had been tied.45



The Massacre in Gaza City, 1956: 60 dead

In this attack, Zionists killed 60 people, including women and children.



Fakhani Massacre, 1981: 150 dead

As a result of Israeli air attacks on this Lebanese region, 150 people died and 600 were wounded.46



The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, 1994: 50 dead

On Friday, February 25, 1994 a terrible massacre occurred in Palestine. In an attack carried out by a Zionist Jew on Muslims gathered for Friday prayers at the Ibrahimi Mosque, more than 50 Muslims died and almost 300 were wounded. Some of the wounded later died from their injuries.

The massacre was perpetrated by a Jew living in the Kiryat Arba Jewish settlement in Hebron. This terrorist also turned out to be a reserve officer in the Israeli army and a member of a Zionist terrorist organization. Israeli sources reported that he wore military clothing during the attack.

The attacker sneaked into the mosque and hid behind a column as the Muslims were performing their dawn prayers. As they bowed their heads in unison, he opened fire on them with a machine gun. According to eyewitness accounts, he did not act alone � he was simply busy pulling the trigger. As his clips emptied out, his accomplices replaced them.

Following this incident, Israeli soldiers surrounded the mosque and prevented reporters from reaching it. Many more people died when these soldiers opened fire on Palestinian Muslims who had gathered around the mosque to protest the attack.47



Qana Massacre, 1996: 109 dead

More than 100 people, mostly women and children, lost their lives in the Qana refugee camp when it was bombed by the Israeli air force. The terrible scenes of carnage, including those of decapitated children, have never been forgotten. A UN inspection team determined that the massacre was deliberate.



Massacre of Sabra and Shatilla

"I had to take the babies and put them in buckets of water to put out the flames. When I took them out half an hour later, they were still burning. Even in the mortuary, they smouldered for hours." Dr. Amal Shamaa of the Barbir hospital, after Israeli phosphorus shells had been fired into West Beirut, 29 July, 1982.48

The Zionist terrorist operations to intimidate Palestinians and drive them off their land following WWII resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But Israel's attack on the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla during the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 will go down in history as one of the worst acts of Zionist genocide ever committed. During the attack by Lebanon's Christian Phalangist groups, with the support and direction of Israeli soldiers, more than 3,000 people, most of them women and children, were murdered. Subsequent research and investigation showed that Ariel Sharon, at that time Israel's defense minister and now prime minister, was responsible for the operation. Due to this bloody attack, he is still known as "The Butcher of Lebanon."

Journalist and Middle East expert Robert Fisk reported on the horrifying scenes he saw immediately after the attack in an article written after Sharon was elected prime minister:

For everyone who stood in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut on 18 September 1982, his (Ariel Sharon's) name is synonymous with butchery; with bloated corpses and disembowelled women and dead babies, with rape and pillage and murder... Even when I walk these fetid streets today, more than 18 years after� the ghosts haunt me still. Over there, on the side of the road leading to the Sabra mosque, lay Mr Nouri, 90 years old, grey-bearded, in pyjamas with a small woollen hat still on his head and a stick by his side. I found him on a pile of garbage, on his back� Just up the lane, I came across two women sitting upright with their brains blown out, next to a cooking pot... One of the women appeared to have had her stomach slit open. A few metres away, I discovered the first babies, already black with decomposition, scattered across the road like rubbish� The flies racing between the reeking bodies and our faces, between dried blood and reporter's notebook, the hands of watches still ticking on dead wrists. I clambered up a rampart of earth � an abandoned bulldozer stood guiltily nearby � only to find, once I was atop the mound, that it swayed beneath me. And I looked down to find faces, elbows, mouths, a woman's legs protruding through the soil. I had to hold on to these body parts to climb down the other side. Then there was the pretty girl, her head surrounded by a halo of clothes pegs, her blood still running from a hole in her back.49

In another article, Fisk describes what he saw while touring the hospitals where the injured were being treated: "What we saw here we would not easily forget. Visiting the Barbir hospital was to see what gunfire does to flesh."50

The brutality that these pitiful and innocent people were subjected to should serve as a warning of the Israeli leadership's ideology. Most of the murdered women had been raped. Pregnant women had been sliced open so that their babies could be ripped out. Children barely 3 or 4 years old had been murdered in front of their parents. Many of the men had had their ears and noses cut off before being shot execution-style.

A news report about the massacres appeared in the French Le Monde newspaper on February 13, 2001. Nihad Hamad, a now-42-year-old survivor, describes what happened:

The Israeli Armed Forces spent Wednesday night and Thursday morning surrounding the camp. They wanted to seal off the east side. Our mujaheddin had left. Around here there was no one left but some boys of 15 or 16� On Thursday night, the bombing got twice as intense. We realized our light weaponry wouldn't be of any use. Everyone in the shelters was a refugee. Everyone was afraid. The elders of the group, those that people listened to, decided to go to the Israelis and tell them that the camp would surrender. With white flags in their hands they got in the car and headed out. They never came back. Some young men left with weapons and went in the same direction. They never came back either, nor the ones who went looking for them. Then we realized much better that we had to get out of here right away� Hundreds of people were fleeing to the same common salon in the northern part of the camp. There were so many of us that we almost suffocated. At daybreak there was the silence of death everywhere; this place was a ghost town now. The bombing had stopped. Every once in a while we could hear single shots being fired. Then, from the direction of the mosque, a woman's screams pierced the silence. Her hair was a tangled mess, her tattered clothes covered in blood. She had the manner of someone who had lost her mind. At her feet were children whose throats had been slit... They behaved brutally, and they used their knives and other incisive tools to carry out the murders in silence. After the militias finished their work at the camps, they finished their dirty work at the Gaza Hospital. They dragged the doctors, nurses, and wounded out of the hospitals and killed them. Along with those who were missing, we learned that between 3,000 and 3,500 people had been killed.51

This frightful scene was the work of Ariel Sharon, known for such remarks as "The Arabs know me, and I know them" and for describing the Arabs in such disparaging terms as "bugs."52 Following the 1967 War, Sharon caused 160,000 Palestinians to leave East Jerusalem and become refugees. His punishment techniques include bombing houses, bulldozing refugee camps, and arresting hundreds of youths for no reason and subjecting them to torture. When Sharon was responsible for security in the Gaza Strip, hundreds of Palestinians were assassinated, thousands were arrested and deported, and in Gaza alone 2,000 homes were destroyed and 16,000 people were exiled for the second time. Aside from the Sabra and Shatilla massacres, 14,000 people (including 13,000 unarmed civilians) died within the space of a few weeks, and about half a million people were made homeless.

The cruelty and brutality described here has occurred continuously on Palestinian soil for the past 50 years. Moreover, the examples cited above are merely those massacres during which many Palestinians lost their lives on a single day. Similar events, among many others, are as follows: 8 people in al-Sammou, 1966; 9 people in Aitharoun and 16 people in Kawnin, 1975; 20 people in Hanin and 23 in Bint Jbeil, 1976; 7 people in Adloun, 1978; 80 people in Abbasieh, 1979; and 20 people in Saida, 1980. Beyond these, several people have been killed or maimed every day for years. And every day houses are still destroyed and people are still driven from their homeland. Clearly, Israel's ultimate goal is to intimidate the Palestinians, drive them off their land, and bend them to their will through a systematic policy of ethnic cleansing.

The entire world looks on as this community is murdered, as it is subjected to blatant genocide. For some reason, most governments have � and continue to � ignored these brutal and inhumane practices and apply no sanctions other than the occasional "condemnation."

In his classic work World Orders: Old and New, Middle East commentator Noam Chomsky describes the Israeli government's view of the Palestinian people and how American strategists evaluate this view:

As for the Palestinians, U.S. planners had no reason to doubt the assessment of Israeli government specialists in 1948 that the refugees would either assimilate elsewhere or "would be crushed": "some of them would die and most of them would turn into human dust and the waste of society, and join the most impoverished classes in the Arab countries." Accordingly, there was no need to trouble oneself about them. These basic interpretations have remained stable until today, taking concrete form as events unfolded.53

The prophecy of American and Israeli authorities has been fulfilled today. Moreover, the policy of violence and intimidating Palestinians practiced during Israel's founding period and early years continues unabated.

The Palestinian Muslims are facing trials and tribulations similar to those faced by Muslims throughout history. In the Qur'an, God reminds the believers of that time (the Children of Israel) about Pharaoh's violence:



Remember when We rescued you from the people of Pharaoh. They were inflicting an evil punishment on you � slaughtering your sons and letting your women live. In that there was a terrible trial for you from your Lord. (Qur'an, 2:49)



Indeed, God helps those who are patient, and, according to His law, salvation is always for genuine believers, even if they are few in number, weak, or downtrodden. But, we also should realize that this trial is not only for the Muslims of Palestine; rather, it is for all who witness or know of this cruelty. For wherever they are and no matter what their condition, Muslims are obligated to help the wronged and the oppressed. And the greatest help they can give is to deal with this evil from its roots. In other words, the greatest help people can offer the Palestinians who continue to fight for their lives amid the ongoing chaos and strife is to wage an intellectual struggle against the Zionism's fundamental Social Darwinistic attitude, which engenders strife, chaos, and anarchy.



ARIEL SHARON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SABRA AND SHATILLA MASSACRES





The great massacre at the Sabra and Shatilla camps came back onto the agenda with the BBC program "The Accused" broadcast on June 17, 2001. In that documentary, which looked into Ariel Sharon's role in the massacre in which 3,000 people lost their lives, living witnesses who escaped the slaughter spoke at first hand of the savagery, which lasted nearly 3 days. The program concluded by saying that Ariel Sharon, who was then defense minister, was responsible for the massacre and must face trial for it.





"The Accused" Was

Broadcast Despite Pressure

From the State of Israel



People who escaped the massacre, the Phalange leaders who carried it out, representatives of the Israeli Army, lawyers, and academics participated in the documentary, which was prepared by journalist Fergal Keane. However, before it had even been broadcast it met with a strong reaction from Israel and radical Jewish communities. Right up until the last moment, everyone expected that it might be cancelled. However, according to statements by Keane, the program was screened "under thousands of e-mails, threatening messages, and warnings of boycotts." Furthermore, because of the wide interest it received, it was repeated several times on the BBC and shown on television channels in a number of foreign countries.





What Panorama revealed



The Sabra and Shatilla massacre was carried out by the Lebanese Christian Phalange groups whom Lebanese Muslim Arabs had been at war for a long time. Yet it was Israel that supported, organized, and armed these groups from the beginning. In his program, Keane described the relationship between the Phalangists and Israel in this manner:

The Phalange were led by the charismatic and ruthless Bashir Gemayel. He was Israel's main ally in Lebanon. Israel's Mossad knew from meetings with him that he wanted to "eliminate" the Palestinian problem, and now he was about to become president of Lebanon. Bashir's election worried the people of the camps, but they'd been promised security.

The Israeli Army, which guaranteed the Palestinians in the camps that nothing would happen to them, was firmly behind the Phalange, the force that carried out the massacre. Before the massacre, the Israeli Army took the camp under its control by bombing it for days. It later closed all the gates to the camp, forbidding anyone without permission to enter or leave. It also gave the Phalange the time and the means to carry out the slaughter by firing flares all night long that lit their way, and by not intervening for 40 hours. It made it easier for the massacre to continue by issuing death threats, and by turning back those Palestinians who tried to leave and who got as far as the exits and sought help. In Keane's words, "in the rubble were children who'd been scalped, young men who'd been castrated." One of the living witnesses of the Sabra and Shatilla massacre who spoke on the program, Nabil Ahmed, described what he went through in this way:

I was hoping to find my family alive. Then, when I started seeing the bodies in the streets, I accepted the fact then that I'll be grateful to find their bodies. You see what happened. They put them in a house, they killed them and they bulldozed the houses on them, so we were digging the rubble to identify. So we pulled the hair of my relative and that's when we realised that this is the spot where they are there.

The massacre perpetrated by the Phalange was indescribable. Statements of an Israeli officer in the program clearly revealed that the Phalange were enemies of the Muslims. Israeli paratroop brigade commander Yoram Yair recounted the shocking request he received from a Phalangist:

He say: "Do me a favour, make sure to bring me that much." I say: "What is it?" He say: "Listen, I know that you will sooner or later go inside West Beirut. Promise me that you will bring me that much Palestinian blood. I want to drink it."

Israel's then-Defense Minister Ariel Sharon knew about every stage of this massacre which was carried out under an Israeli Army security umbrella. Keane explained Sharon's role in these words:

Ariel Sharon arrived in Beirut on Wednesday morning insisting there were PLO forces in the camps. And so after conferring with his senior officers, including Amos Yuron, the Commander for Beirut and the refugee camps, Ariel Sharon agreed a fateful order. "Only one element, and that is the Israeli Defence Force, shall command the forces in the area. For the operation in the camps the Phalangist should be sent in."

Ariel Sharon went to see the Phalange at their headquarters to discuss the Beirut operation� Now, a day after their leader's murder, the Israelis were asking the Phalange to fight in Palestinian camps. Could Ariel Sharon have been in any doubt about what would have happened if you sent the Phalangists into a Palestinian refugee camp, an undefended camp?

Keane put that question to many officials, to Morris Draper, the U.S. Middle East representative at the time; Richard Goldstone, former chief prosecutor at the U.N. War Crimes Tribunal; Professor Richard Falk of Princeton University; and others� They all agreed that Ariel Sharon was responsible in the first degree for the massacre and that he was a war criminal. For instance, Goldstone revealed his thoughts in these terms: 'If the person who gave the command knows, or should know on the facts available to him or her, that is a situation where innocent civilians are going to be injured or killed, then that person is as responsible, in fact in my book more responsible even than the people who carry out the order." Space was given in the program to a telephone conversation that supported these opinions. Israeli journalist Ron Ben Yishai reported a conversation between himself and Sharon on the second day in this way:

I found him at home sleeping. He woke up and I told him: "Listen, there are stories about killings and massacres in the camps. A lot of our officers know about it and tell me about it, and if they know it, the whole world will know about it. You can still stop it." I didn't know that the massacre actually started 24 hours earlier. I thought it started only then and I said to him: "Look, we still have time to stop it. Do something about it." He didn't react.

In short, although he has denied it for years, Ariel Sharon knew about the massacre, decided on it together with the Phalangists, and made no effort to stop the killings in the camps, which were under his responsibility.

This reality that Panorama revealed was one that had been expressed for years by those who have studied the event closely and those who lived through it. However, the reason why the program attracted so much attention was that it was the first time that such a respectable channel as BBC had broadcast statements directly accusing Israel, and because it also accused Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.





Death Threats To

Those Who Declare

Ariel Sharon To Be

A War Criminal



There was a most interesting reaction after this broadcast. Professor Richard Falk of Princeton University, who said that Ariel Sharon should be indicted as a war criminal, further noted:

I think there is no question in my mind that he is indictable for the kind of knowledge that he either had or should have had.

Falk began to receive death threats after that statement. Shortly afterwards, his home and family were given police protection. Israel was once again attempting to silence people and prevent the truth from being told by means of violence, pressure, and threats. However, Falk stated in The Independent that his conscience was easy and that he had told the truth.

After the program, debates began over whether or not Ariel Sharon could be tried. Several international jurists joined in. However, these debates were an example of insincerity. The genocide of the Palestinians, which most states had ignored for more than half a century, was now being talked about 20 years after it happened. Those who had ignored it at the time, and those who made no effort to stop Israel, were behaving as if these massacres were being revealed for the very first time.

In fact, this charge is not limited to Sharon but extends to Zionism itself, Israel's official ideology. It is enough to look at Israel's basic principles to see this, and to understand the philosophy behind the bloodshed at Sabra and Shatilla.



Will Ariel Sharon Be Tried As A "War Criminal"?

When the BBC program "The Accused" was aired, 28 Palestinians who survived the Sabra and Shatilla massacre sued Aried Sharon in Belgium so that he could be tried as a war criminal in Belgian courts. Belgium is one of the few countries whose law permits the trial of anyone who commits human rights violations in any country.

The indictment sheds a great deal of light on Sharon's and Israel's bloody history. The indictment, which presents commission reports and research by important historians and writers as evidence, contains important information that Sharon knew about the massacre, that he supported those who carried it out, and even that he was working with them:

Historians and journalists agree that it was probably during a meeting between Ariel Sharon and Bashir Gemayel in Bikfaya on 12 September [1982] that an agreement was concluded to authorise the "Lebanese forces" to "mop up" these Palestinian camps. 1

The intention to send the Phalangist forces into West Beirut had already been announced by Mr Sharon on 9 July 1982 2, and in his biography (called "Warrior"), he confirms having negotiated the operation during his meeting with Bikfaya. 3

According to Ariel Sharon's 22 September 1982 declarations in the Knesset (Israeli parliament), the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps of Beirut was decided on Wednesday 15 September 1982 at 15.30.4

Also according to General Sharon, the Israeli commandant had received the following instruction: "The Tsahal forces are forbidden to enter the refugee camps. The 'mopping-up' of the camps will be carried out by the Phalanges or the Lebanese army." 5

At that point, General Drori telephoned Ariel Sharon and announced, "Our friends (the Phalangists) are advancing into the camps. We have coordinated their entry." Sharon replied, "Congratulations! Our friends' operation is approved." 6

(For the whole text of the indictment and detailed statements by the victims, see http://www.mallat.com/complaint.htm)

The above details are only a part of the evidence revealing the relationship between Sharon and Gemayel. Sharon's autobiography, "Warrior," provides many more details of the massacre carried out by the Phalangists. In any case, the fact that Israeli soldiers did not enter a camp under their control for 3 days, that they did not know what was going on inside, while all the time preparing logistical support and bulldozers to open graves and demolish houses, means that the claim that they were "well-intentioned" is false.



What Will Ariel Sharon's Being

Tried As A War Criminal Change?

The trial of Ariel Sharon for the Sabra and Shatilla massacre would be an important initiative. However, the current campaign by some survivors is not receiving sufficient world support. Apart from a few human rights organizations, nobody is supporting them. The most important thing is that massacres in Palestine are still ongoing.

In Palestine, hundreds of innocent Palestinians are being forced out of their homes and exiled from their land. Bulldozers run over their homes. Again a defenceless father is killed, together with the child in his arms. Israeli troops carry out new killings and attacks every day. And the man giving the orders is Ariel Sharon. Even if someone else replaces him, the massacres will continue, for Israeli violence is based upon such a deep-rooted ideology that just bringing Sharon to trial will not expunge it. And until Israel abandons its Zionist ideology, it will continue to bring death and blood to the Middle East.

Of course getting past massacres onto the agenda is an important initiative. But for this to be a statement of sincerity, the commitment displayed must continue until the cruelty ends. Therefore, all sincere people need to pursue wide-scale international legal sanctions (for instance an embargo) and a policy of isolation to force an end to the killings committed by the Zionists in the name of their ideology.

A question to your "Imminence Reverend of Elohim": Have you ever heard of a Muslim pedophile?


This content was originally posted on Y! Answers, a Q&A website that shut down in 2021.
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