Christian Apologists, what do you think about Occam's Razor?

Question

Occam's Razor is a logic principle which basically states simple solution is the best. The less assumptions you make the closer you are to the truth.

Now I am an Agnostic Atheist by the way. I don't deny the possibility of God by deny the possibility of your "Christian God."

Let's apply Occam's razor to your God.

To explain all the atrocities, injustices and unfairness in this world we live in you have to make Overwhelming assumptions.OVERWHELMING leaps of logic. You have to dance around logic to explain almost every event that your God is accountable for.

Science makes assumptions as well because it is still advancing. But at the very least it explains with ease most physical events that happen on this Earth without having to make up piles and piles of rhetorical bullsh*t and Santa Claus stories which have no basis on facts AT ALL.

What do you think better fits Occam's Razor...Science or your version of a self-contradicting (but yet all knowing?) God?

Answer 1

- ummmmm - Jesus loves you . . .

Answer 2

The Christian God is the most likely God that you would deduce logically by what we see in nature. Most come to the conclusion an Infinite-Personal-Creator exists and this is the God who is there.



Christians go a step further to believe that a personal creator would communicate to mankind(logical) and this is done through the Bible.



So your real issues are with whether or not the God of the Bible is the same as the God who is there.



I say this because the Bible reveals that many blessings and maturity comes from one thing, suffering, Jesus emphasized this on the sermon on the mount. In this process God becomes the ultimate good, hope, and joy for all who do suffer.



Not llogcial

Answer 3

I do not believe that God is self refuting or self contradicting. If you want to post evidence to the contrary feel free. Also the naturalistic assumptions modern science makes also need to be cut away by Occam's Razor if the test is to be applied correctly.



EDIT: Explaining how is the easiest part, he quite literally spoke it into existence. If you really wanted to ask a difficult question you would ask 'why he did it'.

Answer 4

If I wanted to be lazy, I could apply Occam's Razor to the other side and simply say "God did it all"--that way I wouldn't need science, since an all-powerful God doesn't require logic or any other facet of rationality to begin with.



To fairly and accurately answer however, I will need to know what you mean by 'self-contradicting' in order to prepare an appropriate rebuttal.

Answer 5

A man made philosophy to try and explain away God or the supernatural





A simple solution is God created everything then man evolved over billions of years to the complicated life we see today.



Our God is not accountable for any supposed atrocities, injustices and unfairness.



His word clearly spells it out with no assumptions needed.

Answer 6

Ok, lets apply this same *logic* to your assumptions about God shall we ? You are assuming that 1. He does exist 2. that He is responsible for all the atrocities, injustices and unfairness. 3. you are assuming we are *dancing* around falsehoods of faith. .. Now, you tell me , who is the one this most applys to ?? You , are the people you are calling Christian Apologist ????? and now lets apply this *logic* to so called science and there EVER CHANGING theories and basic *facts*, shall we ?? We all KNOW that gravity is a fact of this earth, no theory there, FACT, yet science still refers to it as such, theory that is.. Why is that ? Gravity IS !!! Now, the problem is the *why* is it a fact of earth ..... Science has NO clue how it came about or why it is.... Sure the planet spins and so on and so on, but WHY ???? And what about all this *missing link* stuff ? Lets take a look back in time for few seconds..... Lucy, remember her ? I doubt it.... anyway, hailed as the *missing link*, the TRUE no doubt about it MISSING LINK is found.... I studied that in school...... and now ? ohhhhh, then there was the fully dressed Ice Man, again the Head lines read : Missing Link Found !! and now they KNOW for sure where certain people came from , etc, etc...... again, dah, sure thing there bud !! and what about all this DNA, full proof and *for certain* , positive ID, my bee hind .. DNA testing is a JOKE !!!! yup, science is advancing alright, right into the trash can of JUNK MAIL !!!! There is NOTHING about science that proves anything.. Spout science all you want.. It changes like the wind on the flat lands of Texas....... Again I ask, you tell me, it fits what better ?????????? go in peace...... God bless

*edit* and for the record I make NO apologies for who or what I am in Jesus !!!!! I don't know where some come up with the names and tittles you people like to stick on us.... but , what ever...... rofl......

Answer 7

Occam's Razor was meant to cut through the crap, and I think you just made it more convoluted. It originally was a tool used to explain in simpler terms a more complex answer. The results were the same, but the method on getting to the (same) result was different. Einstein used it, so it's not all bad.



It tends to oversimplify, however, and the Pope of the day didn't particularly like it. ...if that means anything.

Answer 8

I use Occam's Razor down to the point where we get to the universe beginning, then I say "Hmmm, now there isn't really any explanation for how it happened, so I guess I'll have to use 'Goddidit' until they discover how it happened."



I know Occam's razor is specifically used to cut out God and say the universe just exists, but the universe doesn't 'just exist' it had a beginning.

Answer 9

Occams Razor yet he believe the existence of God but he didn't understand the deep meaning of Word of God.

Answer 10

You are not required to ‘dance around’ with logic, or manipulate reason and rationality to warrant the existence of a God. All wars, disease, atrocities and injustices have a root cause, an agenda, an orchestrator and an end objective. I tire of atheists and religious zealots exposing religion and science to unsolicited scrutiny by toe without a basic understanding of what these institutions stand for, aim at and seek to bring into play.



In both camps, science and religion, there a shining lights of logic rarely heard or sought for opinion, there are contingent malcontents who by the very nature of their ire and vengefulness make illogical and rash statements they are unable to corroborate or be questioned by thinkers unfamiliar with scriptures of the intrinsic paraphernalia associated with science. That is the only reason the debate rages. One is required to delve into the quagmire of allegorical partial truths and confusion to contend with scriptural or scientific theorising, by what time one is so submerged it is almost impossible to swim ones way out again ....

Answer 11

I love Occam's Razor. And saying that an intelligence designed and created the universe is far more simple and believable than the numbers you have to churn through one abiogenesis equation. Just look at all the guesswork and assumptions that go into abiogenesis, it's so ridiculously statistically impossible that it's laughable.

Answer 12

I think the reference you make, concerning calling yourself an "Agnostic Atheist" sums up the paradox, which dulls Occam's Razor, that you want to attempt to circumcise us Christians with. How do you even, expect to comprehend spiritual based things when you cannot even, get it right with identifying yourself as either, an Agnostic or a Atheist ??? One thing for sure, you sure have the Scientific rhetoric down pat !!!

Answer 13

Your question "assumes" that God is the cause of all the atrocities, injustices, unfairness, and is self-contradictory. In order for you to construct such a scenario you would have to claim infinite knowledge to come to your conclusion that God is indeed the cause of all the atrocities, injustices, unfairness, and is self-contradictory. So your own question is self-contradictory and self-defeating and cannot be answered satisfactorily in it's present form.

Answer 14

The thing is , what could be simpler than "Goddidit" ? I'm not saying it's true only that it fulfills Occam's Razor quite handily.

Answer 15

"science" is hardly the SIMPLEST explanation for much of anything. The SIMPLEST explanation is that it is all here by magic, by a superhuman who does the magic. And that superhuman made himself.



I didn't say "SIMPLEST" was also "most believable". Occam's Razor doesn't account for that detail.

Answer 16

God did it is the simplest answer to every question



Also happens to be the wrong answer.



For example which is eaiser , to explain the theory of evolution or to say God created the world

Answer 17

Humanism is propheted to be one world religion at The End Times.



Evolution 'science' is yr religion. Have you asked Jesus for the Truth?

Answer 18

again, it is silly to apply logic to matters of faith. you can pick whatever principle you want, it will come out as unreasonable. it is easy to find fallacies in faith because it talks about the future.

remember, faith ceases to be faith, if it can be proven.



what do you believe about the future? i am sure it would be easy to find fallacies in your belief too.

btw, all men live by faith, because you do not know what will happen tomorrow.

Answer 19

thank you for taking the time to write this.