Could religion dump the trinity invented by Catholics and made doctrine in the 4th century?

Question

Could religion dump the trinity invented by Catholics and made doctrine in the 4th century?

Answer 1

No. The Catholic church never admits to their blasphemies.

Answer 2

Any non-Trinitarian religion could, and a few have. But the rest of us trust God and the Holy Spirit inspired Chruch not to make such a big mistake about doctrine. Out of the over 2 billion Christians in the world about 20 million (less than 1%) are non-Trinitarians.



The doctrine of the Holy Trinity states there is one true God who is made up of three separate but equal persons, the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit.



The Bible does not contain the word Trinity. However, the Holy Trinity is hinted at repeatedly in both the Old and New Testaments. For many biblical references, see: http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/Trinity.txt



Under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the early Christians prayed and struggled over these hints for a couple of centuries. The concept of the Holy Trinity (three equal persons in one God) was mainstream Christianity in 325 C.E. at the Council of Nicaea and our belief is expressed in the Nicene Creed.



How this works is not fully known and is one the Christian mysteries.



The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is shared by most Christian denominations including Roman and Orthodox Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, and the Salvation Army.



For more information, see Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 232 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p2.shtml#232



The major non-Trinitarian churches are Christadelphianism, Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Arian Catholicism, Unitarianism, Nontrinitarianism, and Oneness Pentecostals.



With love in Christ.

Answer 3

The Holy Trinity NOT from the Bible?



Jesus Christ's Divinity

The Holy Spirit

Messianic Prophecies



http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

Answer 4

It was Constantine who ordered the Bishops during the 4th Century to use their infallible authority from scripture (Matt: 16: 18-19) to settle a huge controversy as to whether Jesus was God or not. The Bishops were not required to declare that Jesus is God, but they did find that the preponderance of scripture evidence indicated that Jesus is God. But since there is only one God, an explanation was necessary to explain it. The Trinity was that explanation. Thus we do not use scripture to prove the Trinity; however, since it was also made an infallible article of faith, we can now confidently interpret many scripture verses in the light of the Trinity without offering them as objective proof. Scripture proves that Jesus is God as the Son of God and the Trinity explains how this is accomplished while maintaining there is still only God who is the God of Abraham. All Trinitarians worship only the God of Abraham in compliance with the first commandment.

Answer 5

First of all the concept of the Holy Trinity was not "invented" by Catholics; it existed since the very earliest days of Christianity. The Council of Nicaea only reaffirmed it and defended it from the heretical Arians.

You are wrong when you say that it was not official Bible doctrine.

And, yes just like in any other vote, there had to be a hand count. That's how metings conduct business.

Answer 6

Take a look at the earlies writings of the Church fathers, the letters of Paul and the Gospels.



The Trinity predates the 4th Century and the 3rd and the 2nd, it is a 1st century belief.







Prof. Daniel B. Wallace (wrote the textbook on ancient Greek & Greek translation) in an interview in the book "The Case for the Real Jesus" says this about the deity of Jesus's deity being invented later "That's just loony! Do these authors know anything about history at all? ... we have more than four dozen in Greek alone that are prior to the 4th century. And these manuscripts have numerous passages (many examples) that affirm the deity of Jesus. So it's nonsense to say Jesus' deity wasn't invented until the fourth century when you've already got the evidence in earlier manuscripts." .... "It's disturbing that when it comes to the Christian faith, people don't really want, or know how, to investigate the evidence", so why don't you investigate the evidence.







http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=1

John

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.

...

1:14 Now the Word became flesh and took up residence among us.





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P,S, BooBooCoo... you have made a historical boo boo.



Read the book of James someday.



1:1 From James, a slave of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes dispersed abroad. Greetings!



2:1 My brothers and sisters, do not show prejudice if you possess faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ.





Jesus as Lord, faith in Jesus.... you seem to have missed what James is saying. You could go through it here and look at the Greek original too if you like.

http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Jam&chapter=1&verse=1



Yep, you made a boo boo.

Answer 7

It did. The minority who didn't go for the Trinity doctrine were called Arians. An offshoot were the Nestorians. Islam was greatly influenced by Nestorianism. So if you don't like the explanation offered by the world's largest religion, try no 2.



There are also plenty of American sects who reject the concept of the Trinity - but there are American sects prepared to reject anything you can name.

Answer 8

They could, but it is highly unlikely it ever will. Same with war/politics. They will not give that up no matter what the Bible says about it. Such as at Micah 4:1-5, Rev. 17:2, 5, 19:11-18.



Debbie



EDITED: Rowar and others. What you quote is NOT the trinity doctine. Trinity teaches that Jesus is his own Father, the Father and Son are the same guy. Trinity does NOT merely teach that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost exist or that there are 3. It teaches all 3 are Almighty God and the same being.

Answer 9

There are many Christian groups who do not adhere to trinity doctrine, knowing it is not supported Biblically. Catholicism is not the only group claiming Christianity. A reading of Scripture should show everyone this. Yes, pagan concepts, traditions, holidays all crept into the early churches as they sought to get surrounding pagans to join their Christian churches. Ergo easter ( worship of Ishtar ) christmas ( winter solstice ) halloween, new years etc etc. One can find out the truth by doing a little research, some are afraid to question.

Answer 10

The only verifiable writings relating to the Jesus named in the bible are by his biological brother James , he wrote that Jesus never made claims of a godlike nature but was a good speaker of life and that all his good words and work would be corrupted , stolen added to and used by men who had never met or known him and so became the bible and the church , he was a political orator and nothing more religious than any other hebrew that was raised imbetween 80 BC and 30 AD as even the bible contradicts his years of existence by 70 years !

Answer 11

The Christian religion would lose a large portion of its basis if the Trinity were not there. Do you mean religion in general or specifically Christian?

Answer 12

"Outside the Trinity is only Hell." - from a Russian Orthodox liturgy, quoted in Amazing Grace: A Vocabulary of Faith Katherine Norris. (New York, Riverhead Books) 1998 p.291

Answer 13

Trinity means three. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They are one in purpose and unity. The word trinity is not in the Bible but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are. Catholics did not invent it. the Bible did.



Your statement makes no sense. It was Constantine, a Roman ruler, who combined pagan holy days with Christianity because he wanted to eliminate the Christian connection to Jews. It was one man's antisemitism that did it not the Catholics.

Answer 14

The doctrine of the Trinity was not invented by Catholics in the 4rth century, it was AFFIRMED AND CLARIFIED as a deposit of faith, in response to the Arian heresy. The TERM is not in the Bible, but we know the basic CONCEPT is taught before any New Testament book was written. It was 325 at the Council of Nicae.



The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."



The term “Trinity” was first used around the time of the 12th Pope, St. Soter (166-175), and the 13th Pope, St. Eleutherius (175-189). Theophilus was bishop of Antioch, and use the Greek “trias”, which was Latinized into “trinitas” about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom ("Ad. Autol.", II, 15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time.



The human family is the closest analogy that mankind will ever come to concretely understanding the Blessed Trinity.



The creeds teach that while there is one God, He exists in three distinct persons. The bible, on the other hand, reveals that man is made in the 'image of God'. From these two truths, therefore, we can acknowledge that the complete image of God is found in the Triune understanding of Him.



This understanding of His Triune nature is reflected by the human family whose personal relationships approach the likeness of the Trinity. There are multiple demonstrations of this truth.



Consider the unity of the Trinity which is reflected in the unity of the family. Or the "family of persons" which is found in both. The persons of the Trinity share the 'same substance ' while a human family becomes one flesh: wife with husband and parents with children.



There is also another element in the Trinity that lends itself to human likeness. The Nicene Creed professes this about the Trinity: "We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son."



In Catholic theology, the Holy Spirit is said to proceed from the will of both the Father and the Son, or in other words, through the activity which they engage in, otherwise known as "love".



The Holy Spirit is poured forth through the exchange of love between the Father and the Son. This is why perhaps Jesus says to the Apostles: " Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)



In the eternal economy of the Trinity, therefore, a person 'proceeds' from the love between two other persons. And so, the Holy Spirit is love 'proceeding' or 'coming from' the first two persons of the Blessed Trinity.



The human family has a rather striking parallel to this dynamic. The ultimate act of intimacy in a marriage mirrors the eternal exchange of love between the first two persons of the Trinity.



And like the eternal or continual procession of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, the act of love between a man and a woman causes a 'procession' of another human person (i.e. the birth of a child).





http://catholic-legate.com/articles/antitrinity.html

Answer 15

1John 5:7 -

'For there are three that bear witness in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one'



so much for the invention of it in the 4th century A.D.

Answer 16

The word Trinity is never mentioned in the entire bible. It is added to the Catholic works of modern days...but the ideal came from King James when he had his own bible rewritten and edited for his personal use.

The Father, the son and the holy spirit are clearly depictedthroughout the Bible to be three separate entities!

Answer 17

I could only see the Catholic church adding more to the trinity than taking it away. They never like to admit their doctrines are wrong....just seem to change slightly as everyone realizes how fucked up they are.....slavery....crusades....gay's.....So i'm sure they will just have to liven the trinity up a bit. Whatever PR works best.

Answer 18

You are absolutely right, which is why such inventions/perversions as the Trinity, Sola Fide, etc. have never been a part of my Christian faith.



Check it out for yourself:

http://mormon.org/faith/

Answer 19

The trinity wasn't invented by the catholics, they got it from the jews who wrote the teachings of Jesus while he was still on earth. Jesus wasn't catholic by the way

Answer 20

The word trinity may not have been used in scriptures but it was expressly implied. Such as Thomas saying to Jesus. The Lord of Me and the God of me. The word he used was Theos (literally God). Jesus accepted worship from men and angels even though scripture expressly teaches God alone is to be worshiped and angels are not to be worshiped. If you want scripture verses I can provide them. Taken with all the other scriptures the deniers have to create one big dance to avoid self contradiction. Such as Jesus being called Emanuel.(God with us). Many more scriptures but to those more interested in defending their organisation than the pursuit of truth they will have to rely on conspiracy theories which they were never there to witness and rely on such shoddy biblical translations that only their organization accept. Such as when they add a word to the bible that appears in no other translation i.e. they change the word was with God and the word was God to the word was a God. Only the new World translators commit this error and they do it to try and justify their own beliefs.(Not a good way to handle scripture). And history shows Christians believed Jesus to be God long before you suggest. Pliny The Younger Roman Governor of Blithnia (Asia Minor) around 112 A.D."The Christians were in a habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ as to a god, and bound themselves in solid oath not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft, or adultery..."

Answer 21

the catholic religion has a lot of paganism today, but if you were to call the catholic religion pagan you would have to call all christian religions pagan since the catholic religion was the first to succeed from the jewish religion, then the protestant religions through Martin Luther of germany. peter was the first pope of the catholic church. actually the bible was changed in the 6th century by the wife of justinian the great of rome. her name was theodora. she was the one to start appointing anti-popes, after she beheaded the pope. trinity was not an original belief of catholicism. it came from the mighty hunter in opposition of jehovah, Taumus which was the god name of nimrod. his emblem of faith was the mystical tau T.

Answer 22

No can do --

Catholics didn't "invent" it -- the Godhead

predates Catholicism by a good long while....

(sir or madam, as the case may be.)



http://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html

Answer 23

The Catholics needed to appeal to the pagans. You're stuck with it, sorry.

Answer 24

Nonsense. The doctrine was formally defined in the 4th century, but no doctrine is ever formally defined by the Church unless it can be clearly shown to have been taught since apostolic times. Who could read the new Testament, with its many references to all three divine Persons, and miss the fact of the Trinity? In any case, Christ guaranteed the leaders of the one Church He founded, the Catholic Church, that "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in heaven". So that settles the matter - IF you believe what the Bible teaches, and what Christ Himself said.

Answer 25

their is also the hindu trinity...don't worry about such mental stuff when you can't even love god, and feel god's love..

Answer 26

Well, the Church Fathers were PRIOR to 4th centuries and practiced it. So you're incorrect





Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.



"O Lord God almighty... I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).



Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.



"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).



Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.



"In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever" (n. 7; PG 5.988).

"We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.' Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)

http://www.carm.org/early-trinitarian-quotes

Answer 27

There are many Christians like myself who have dumped that Trinity Doctrine....yes! : )

Answer 28

Trinity is mentioned in the New Testament, stop asking stupid questions

Answer 29

Nope

Answer 30

and you find your rant a ''must'' post on here..if you no like the bible or christians then ignore them...

Answer 31

What do you mean by "religion" dumping it? The only religion that believes in the trinity is Christianity. If you mean Christianity, then say Christianity. They're hardly the only religion on the planet, you know.

Answer 32

No they can. As Jesus said to Peter before morning u will forsake me 3 times. And Peter said, me no never.....1 So he did and then asked for forgiveness. So now the catholics (=St. Peter) dump trinity but will eventually ask for forgivness. Jesus prophecy, CANT GO WRONG.

Answer 33

People who deny the trinity are people who are biblically illiterate.



Genesis: "and God said, let us make man in OUR image".

Answer 34

Trinity looks like a load of rubbish and I'm in favor of dumping Abrahamic religion duo Christianity and Islam. They are the only religions that keep talking about their religions being better than others and are responsible for the religious extremism.

Answer 35

Concept of Trinity is wrong because it degrades god though it tried to elevate Jesus to status of god. Let's entertain the claim that Jesus was god. His human body could have weaknesses of humans, but Jesus' knowledge should be knowledge of god (if Jesus was god), agree? If Jesus did not have god's knowledge, then how could his words be the truth? So, Jesus, with knowledge of god, was asked when his second coming would be, and he replied that he did not know! [His reply was that only god the father knows. But since Christians believe that Jesus was god, and god was supposedly to have all knowledge, then a god with all knowledge should know, see the contradiction?] Holy toledo, for god (Jesus) to tell us that he did not know something would tantamount to GOD IS NOT OMNISCIENT!



Now, the question again: is Jesus god? If he is, as claimed in the concept of Trinity, then God is not omniscient. When god is not omniscient, then all other attributes like omnipotent, eternal and omnibenevolent just falls apart like a house of cards for god.

Answer 36

It's already been "dumped" by many Christians that read the bible and can see for themselves that the trinity doctrine is a false teaching.

Answer 37

wrong its biblical...see Matt 28:19

Answer 38

Yes, it is a pagan concept introduced to the Chuch.



http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/lcg/studytopics/lcg-st.cgi?category=FalseReligion1&item=1116550111

Answer 39

The smart money would be on dumping religion in its entirety.

Answer 40

I'd be much happier if they just ditched all invisible beings which are no more ludicrous as the idea of the trinity.

Answer 41

But the trinity is a true doctrine.....spread all throughout the Scriptures. Why would we dump the truth?