Question:
Why Do You Think JW'S Have Deleted Mk 16:9-21 And Men Are Gradually Doing So Also? Does It Conflict With Matt 28:19?
anonymous
2017-11-08 13:40:11 UTC
Why Do You Think JW'S Have Deleted Mk 16:9-21 And Men Are Gradually Doing So Also? Does It Conflict With Matt 28:19?
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?
2017-11-08 14:22:44 UTC
Interesting. Thank you Granny Norine. My bible lists both versions, but accepts the longer version as the canonical part of the gospel. Apparently there were some Greek translations found in the 7th to 9th centuries that didn't include the longer version.



I checked the JW website, and they make no mention of the longer version.
?
2017-11-08 17:09:26 UTC
Just like all denominations, they add or take away so they can have the 'church' they want instead of the church of Christ that He died to build.
TeeM
2017-11-08 15:09:43 UTC
Note in the Reference Bible:



SHORT CONCLUSION

Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after Mark 16:8, as follows:

But all the things that had been commanded they related briefly to those around Peter. Further, after these things, Jesus himself sent out through them from the east to the west the holy and incorruptible proclamation of everlasting salvation.

LONG CONCLUSION

Certain ancient manuscripts (ACD) and versions (VgSyc,p) add the following long conclusion, but which אBSysArm omit:

9 After he rose early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magʹda·lene, from whom he had expelled seven demons. 10 She went and reported to those who had been with him, as they were mourning and weeping. 11 But they, when they heard he had come to life and had been viewed by her, did not believe. 12 Moreover, after these things he appeared in another form to two of them walking along, as they were going into the country; 13 and they came back and reported to the rest. Neither did they believe these. 14 But later he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at the table, and he reproached their lack of faith and hardheartedness, because they did not believe those who had beheld him now raised up from the dead. 15 And he said to them: “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16 He that believes and is baptized will be saved, but he that does not believe will be condemned. 17 Furthermore, these signs will accompany those believing: By the use of my name they will expel demons, they will speak with tongues, 18 and with their hands they will pick up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly it will not hurt them at all. They will lay their hands upon sick persons, and these will become well.”

19 So, then, the Lord Jesus, after having spoken to them, was taken up to heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 They, accordingly, went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and backed up the message through the accompanying signs.





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*** it-2 p. 338 Mark, Good News According to ***

Long and Short Conclusions. Some have thought that Mark 16:8, which ends with the words “and they told nobody anything, for they were in fear,” is too abrupt to have been the original ending of this Gospel. However, that need not be concluded in view of Mark’s general style. Also, the fourth-century scholars Jerome and Eusebius agree that the authentic record closes with the words “for they were in fear.”—Jerome, letter 120, question 3, as published in Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Vienna and Leipzig, 1912, Vol. LV, p. 481; Eusebius, “Ad Marinum,” I, as published in Patrologia Graeca, Paris, 1857, Vol. XXII, col. 937.

There are a number of manuscripts and versions that add a long or a short conclusion after these words. The long conclusion (consisting of 12 verses) is found in the Alexandrine Manuscript, the Codex Ephraemi Syri rescriptus, and the Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis. It also appears in the Latin Vulgate, the Curetonian Syriac, and the Syriac Peshitta. But it is omitted in the Sinaitic Manuscript, the Vatican Manuscript No. 1209, the Sinaitic Syriac codex, and the Armenian Version. Certain late manuscripts and versions contain the short conclusion. The Codex Regius of the eighth century C.E. has both conclusions, giving the shorter conclusion first. It prefixes a note to each conclusion, saying that these passages are current in some quarters, though it evidently recognized neither of them as authoritative.

In commenting on the long and short conclusions of the Gospel of Mark, Bible translator Edgar J. Goodspeed noted: “The Short Conclusion connects much better with Mark 16:8 than does the Long, but neither can be considered an original part of the Gospel of Mark.”—The Goodspeed Parallel New Testament, 1944, p. 127.



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*** w14 9/1 p. 15 The Syriac Peshitta—A Window on the World of Early Bible Translations ***

Can these manuscripts be useful to Bible students today? Undoubtedly! Take as an example the so-called long conclusion of the Gospel of Mark, which in some Bibles follows Mark 16:8. It appears in the Greek Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century, the Latin Vulgate, and elsewhere. However, the two authoritative fourth-century Greek manuscripts—Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus—both end with Mark 16:8. The Sinaitic Syriac does not have this long conclusion either, adding further evidence that the long conclusion is a later addition and was not originally part of Mark’s Gospel.



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*** g88 5/8 p. 27 Ancient Bible Manuscript Meets Space-Age Technology ***

Ancient Bible Manuscript Meets Space-Age Technology

COMPUTER enhancement, the technology used in producing clear pictures of the surface of the Moon or Mars, has been used to bring back to life the obscure writings on an ancient Bible manuscript.

The manuscript in question was discovered in 1892 at the St. Catherine monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai. It is a late second- or early third-century copy of a translation of the four Gospels into Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic, which was a language commonly spoken in Jesus’ day. Some scholars believe the translation was made possibly as early as the end of the first century.



(What did they find?")



One point of interest is the ending of Mark. Does it end with Mark 16:8, or are there additional verses as in a number of other ancient manuscripts? If Mark 16:8 appeared at the end of a page, then it would be conceivable that there were more verses on a missing page. The computer-enhanced page shows Mark 16:8 at the middle of the left-hand column. Then there is a row of little circles followed by a little space and below that the beginning of Luke. This shows clearly where the book ended. No page or verses were missing.





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anonymous
2017-11-08 14:53:52 UTC
There are actually three 'stages' to the one baptism; 1) water; 2) fire; 3) blood.



'Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.' (1 John 5:5-8).



These are three degrees of cleansing, beginning with 'the washing of water by the word,' (Ephesians 5:26).



'For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.' (1 Peter 3:18-21).



'John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.' (Luke 3:16).



The water baptism remains preparatory for Christ's baptism by fire, which cleanses us a stage further, preparing us for baptism in blood.



'And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.' (Acts 2:3).



'Rejoice always; pray without ceasing; in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not quench the Spirit; do not despise prophetic utterances.' (1 Thessalonians 5:16-19, 'quench the Spirit,' refers to extinguishing flame, Greek: 'sbennumi').



'This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.' (1 John 5:6).



'But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?' (Hebrews 9:11-14).



'You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin.' (Hebrews 12:4).



'Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.' (1 Peter 4:1-2).



The baptism in blood is the third and final stage which fully cleanses us from all traces of sin. It is both confirmation of the 'death' of the man of sin, (separation of water and blood indicated the death of the body), and confirmation of the 'new man' alive by the blood of Christ.
Keith J
2017-11-08 14:27:53 UTC
Because they serve a different Jesus of their own making (NWT), and not Jesus Christ of the Bible (NKJV). These verses talk of the Trinity, or Triune God, which their fabricated version does not believe in.



This is what the Bible (NKJV) says about cult religion books like the NWT......



Revelation 22:18-19 (NKJV)



18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



There is always hope in Jesus Christ for those who will repent of their evil ways

and believe, receiving the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.
Forever
2017-11-08 14:27:35 UTC
Mark 16:9-20 is not inspired. it's a spurious text.



And, "no" to your second question. It does not conflict with Matthew 28:19,20. Matthew 28:19,20 was inspired.
?
2017-11-08 14:16:24 UTC
Regarding the long conclusion for Mark 16 (verses 9-20), the short conclusion for Mark 16, and the wording found at John 7:53–8:11, it is evident that none of these verses were included in the original manuscripts. Therefore, those spurious texts have not been included in this revision.



As for Matthew 28:19, which States "Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit", no these verses do not conflict with each other.
?
2017-11-08 14:12:29 UTC
I would suggest two reasons.



First, the consensus among biblical scholars is that those verses were not originally part of the text.



Second, they're probably tired of atheists like me quoting Mark 16:17-18 and offering them a glass of bleach to prove that they really are believers. Guess I'll have to just quote Luke 6:30 and ask them to hand over all their money from now on.
?
2017-11-08 14:00:31 UTC
Mark 16:9-20 were added long after the original BS book of Mark was written.


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