Question:
Evidences of God's existence?
anonymous
2006-07-22 01:21:39 UTC
hello..... I believe in God with all my heart....I believe he is everywhere and that he is unique....but I have some friends who do not believe in God....they always ask me of some evidences that make them believe in God, I tell them any kind of evidence I know and that why we should believe in God......but they never understand me..... what kind of evidence do atheists want to make them believe in God ? ...thank you....
26 answers:
Pure
2006-07-22 01:38:37 UTC
its very long answer but u have to read it



god bless u my sister



Cosmology: The Collapse of the Concept of An Eternal Universe And the Discovery of Creation



The idea that the universe had existed forever was discounted and it was scientifically discovered that it had a beginning and was created from nothing.



In the Middle Ages when the Church dominated Western thought, materialism was forgotten. However in the modern period, Western scientists and philosophers became consumed by a curiosity about ancient Greek origins and revived an interest in materialism.



With the coming of the19 th century, it became widely accepted that the universe had no beginning, and that there was no moment of creation. Then, this idea, adopted passionately by dialectical materialists such as Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, came into the20 th century.



This idea has always been compatible with atheism. This is because to accept that the universe had a beginning would mean that God created it and the only way to counter this idea was to claim that the universe was eternal, even though this claim had no basis on science.



To admit creation, one has to admit, in the first place, the existence of a moment when the universe did not exist, and that something came out of nothingness. This is something to which science can not accede.



By supporting the idea of an eternal universe against that of creation, Politzer thought that science was on his side. However, very soon, the fact that Politzer alluded to by his words, "if it is so, we must accept the existence of a creator", that is, that the universe had a beginning, was proven.



This proof came as a result of the "Big Bang" theory, perhaps the most important concept of20 th century astronomy.



The Big Bang theory was formulated after a series of discoveries. In1929 , the American astronomer, Edwin Hubble, noticed that the galaxies of the universe were continually moving away from one another and that the universe was expanding. If the flow of time in an expanding universe were reversed, then it emerged that the whole universe must have come from a single point.



Astronomers assessing the validity of Hubble's discovery were faced with the fact that this single point was a "metaphysical" state of reality in which there was an infinite gravitational attraction with no mass. Matter and time came into being by the explosion of this mass-less point. In other words, the universe was created from nothing.



On the one hand, those astronomers who are determined to cling to materialist philosophy with its basic idea of an eternal universe, have attempted to hold out against the Big Bang theory and maintain the idea of an eternal universe. The reason for this effort can be seen in the words of Arthur Eddington, a renowned materialist physicist, who said, "Philosophically, the notion of an abrupt beginning to the present order of Nature is repugnant to me".



But despite the fact that the Big Bang theory is repugnant to materialists, this theory has continued to be corroborated by concrete scientific discoveries, and has gained credence and many discoveries have been made that prove the creation of the universe.



In the face of all these facts, atheists have been squeezed into a corner.



Thus, the fact arrived at finally by modern astronomy is this: time and matter were brought into being by an eternally powerful Creator independent of both of them. This eternal power is God who is the possessor of infinite might, knowledge and wisdom.



Physics and Astronomy: The Collapse of the Idea of a Random Universe and The Discovery of the Anthropic Principle



A second atheist dogma is the idea of a random universe. The view that the matter in the universe, the heavenly bodies and the laws that determine the relationships among them has no purpose but is the result of chance, has been dramatically discounted.



For the first time since the1970 's, scientists have begun to recognize the fact that the whole physical balance of the universe is adjusted delicately in favor of human life. With the advance of research, it has been discovered that the physical, chemical and biological laws of the universe, basic forces such as gravity and electro-magnetism, the structure of atoms and elements are all ordered exactly as they have to be for human life.



Western scientists have called this extraordinary design the "anthropic principle". That is, every aspect of the universe is designed with a view to human life.



We may summarize the basics of the anthropic principle as follows:



The speed of the first expansion of the universe (the force of the Big Bang explosion) was exactly the velocity that it had to be. According to scientists' calculations, if the expansion rate had differed from its actual value by more than one part in a billion billion, then the universe would either have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size or else have splattered in every direction in a way never to unite again. To put it another way, even at the first moment of the universe's existence there was a fine calculation of the accuracy of a billion billionth.



The four physical forces in the universe are all at the necessary levels for an ordered universe to emerge and for life to exist.



There are many other delicate adjustments that make the earth ideal for human life: the size of the sun, its distance from the earth, the unique physical and chemical properties of water, the wavelength of the sun's rays, the way that the earth's atmosphere contains the gases necessary to allow respiration, or the Earth's magnetic field being ideally suited to human life.



This delicate balance is one of the most striking discoveries of modern astrophysics.



The interesting thing about this is that the majority of the scientists that have made these discoveries were of the materialist point of view and came to this conclusion unwillingly. They did not undertake their scientific investigations hoping to find a proof for God's existence. But most of them, if not all of them, despite their unwillingness, arrived at this conclusion as the only explanation for the extraordinary design of the universe.



Many scientists who have approached the question without prejudice acknowledge that the universe has been created especially for human life. Materialism is now being viewed as an erroneous belief outside the realm of science. The American geneticist, Robert Griffiths, says, "If we need an atheist for a debate, I go to the philosophy department. The physics department isn't much use."



The well-known molecular biologist, Michael Denton writes in his book "Nature's Destiny"," The new picture that has emerged in twentieth-century astronomy presents a dramatic challenge to the presumption which has been prevalent within scientific circles during most of the past four centuries: that life is a peripheral and purely contingent phenomenon in the cosmic scheme."



In short, the idea of a random universe, perhaps atheism's most basic pillar, has been proved invalid.



The supposition whose falsity God reveals in the Qur'an, "We did not create heaven and earth and everything between them to no purpose. That is the opinion of those who disbelieve…" (Qur'an,38 :27 ) was shown to be invalid by science in the1970 's.



Quantum Physics and the Discovery of the Divine Wisdom



When scientists have gone deeper into the atom, they found it shckingly "empty".One of the areas of science that shatters the materialist myth and gives positive evidence for theism is quantum physics.



Quantum physics deals with the tiniest particles of matter, what is called the sub-atomic realm. The matter is composed of atoms. Atoms are made up of a nucleus and several electrons spinning around it. One strange fact is that all these particles take up only some0 . 0001percent of the atoms. In other words, an atom is something that is99 . 9999percent "empty."



An even more interesting fact is that when the nuclei and electrons are further examined, it has been realised that these are made up of much smaller particles called "quarks," and that these quarks are not particles in the physical sense, but simply energy. It now appears that in the material universe, only energy exists. What we call matter is just "frozen energy."



There is a still more intriguing fact: The quarks, those energy packets, act in such a way that they maybe described as "conscious."



There is information behind matter. Gerald Schroeder, an MIT-trained scientist who has worked in both physics and biology, makes some important comments on this subject. In his recent book, The Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth (2001), Schroeder explains that quantum physics is the tool for discovering a universal wisdom that lies behind the material world.



As he puts it: The basis of matter is energy, that matter is actually condensed energy. It may take a while longer for us to discover that there is some non-thing even more fundamental than energy that forms the basis of energy, which in turn forms the basis of matter.



This wisdom is such an omniscient thing that covers the whole universe:



All these facts have moved us to the brink of a startling realization: all existence is the expression of wisdom. In the laboratories we experience it as information that first physically articulated as energy and then condensed into the form of matter. Every particle, every being, from atom to human, appears to represent a level of information, of wisdom.



This means that the material universe is not a purposeless and chaotic heap of atoms, as the atheist/materialist dogma assumes, but is instead a manifestation of a wisdom which existed before the universe and which has absolute sovereignty over everything that exists.



Quantum is really the point where science and theology meet. The fact that the whole universe is pervaded by a wisdom is a secret that was revealed in the Qur'an 14 centuries ago. One verse reads: "Your god is God alone, there is no god but Him. He encompasses all things in His knowledge." (Qur'an,20 :98)



The Natural Sciences: The Collapse of Darwinism and The Triumph of Intelligent Design



Darwin: His theory is now refuted by a great deal of scientific evidence.



As we stated at the beginning, one of the main supports for the rise of atheism to its zenith in the19 th century was Darwin's theory of evolution. With its assertion that the origin of human beings and all other living things lay in unconscious natural mechanisms, Darwinism gave atheists the opportunity they had been seeking for centuries. Therefore, Darwin's theory had been adopted by the most passionate atheists of the time.



But, at the same time, this greatest support for atheism is the dogma that has received the greatest blow from scientific discoveries in the20 th century. The discoveries by various branches of science such as paleontology, biochemistry, anatomy and genetics have shattered the theory of evolution from various aspects.



Paleontology: Darwin's theory rests on the assumption that all species come from one single common ancestor and that they diverged from one another over a long period of time by small gradual changes. It is supposed that the proofs for this will be discovered in the fossil record, the petrified remains of living things. But fossil research conducted in the course of the20 th century has presented a totally different picture.



The fossil of even a single undoubted intermediate species that would substantiate the belief in the gradual evolution of species has not been found. Moreover, every taxon appears suddenly in the fossil record and no trace has been found of any previous ancestors. The phenomenon known as the Cambrian Explosion is especially interesting. In this early geological period, nearly all of the phyla (major groups with significantly different body plans) of the animal kingdom suddenly appeared.



This sudden emergence of many different categories of living things with totally different body structures and extremely complex organs and systems, including mollusks, arthropods, echinoderms and (as recently discovered) even vertebrates, is a major blow to Darwinism. For, as evolutionists also agree, the sudden appearance of a taxon implies supernatural design and this means creation.



Biological Observations: In elaborating his theory, Darwin relied on examples of how animal breeders produced a different variety of dogs or horses. He extrapolated the limited changes he observed in these cases to the whole of the natural world and proposed that every living thing could have come to be in this way from a common ancestor.



But Darwin made this claim in the19 th century when the level of scientific sophistication was low. In the20 th century things have changed greatly. Decades of observation and experimentation on various species of animals have shown that variation in living things has never gone beyond certain genetic boundary.



The Origin of Life: Darwin spoke about a common ancestor but he never mentioned how this first common ancestor came to be. His only conjecture was that the first cell could have formed as a result of random chemical reactions "in some small warm little pond". But evolutionary biochemists who undertook to close this hole in Darwinism met with frustration. All observations and experiments showed that it was, in a word, impossible for a living cell to arise within inanimate matter by random chemical reactions.



Intelligent Design: Scientists studying cells, the molecules, their remarkable organization within the body and the delicate order and plan in the organs are faced with proof of the fact that evolutionists strongly wish to reject: The world of living things is permeated by designs too complex to be found in any technological equipment. Intricate examples of design, including our eyes that are too superior to be compared to any camera, the wings of birds that have inspired flight technology, the complexly integrated system of the cells of living things and the remarkable information stored in DNA, have vitiated the theory of evolution which regards living things as the product of blind chance.



All these facts have squeezed Darwinism into a corner by the end of the 20th century. Today, in the United States and other Western countries, the theory of intelligent design is gaining everincreasing acceptance among scientists. Scientific discoveries show that there is a design in living things which proves creation. In short, science proves once more that God created all living thing
?
2016-03-27 06:52:01 UTC
I accept the possibility, however I also am quite clear that belief in unsubstantiated claims is illogical. A proper train of thought is to follow evidence to a conclusion, not to start with a conclusion and accept some evidence of it's validity but discard the evidence to the contrary. There is yet to be any evidence of a deity, and so for now, I do not believe in one. Until evidence is presented, it's just an unsubstantiated claim, of which there are many in this world. The existence of God is just one of them. -edit- There is currently no evidence for the existence of deities, therefore, no experiment that can be performed. Taking someone's word for it and just having faith is not good enough for me. -edit2- It seems you're misunderstanding the concept of a scientific theory. This is not uncommon though, because the colloquial use of theory is different than a scientific theory. A concept starts as a hypothesis, and becomes a theory or a law if it meets the conditions. To become a theory it must: Contain an explanation of a phenomenon. Make predictions that occur everytime they are tested. Be falisfiable, but not yet having been falsified. Be backed by factual evidence. A deity's proposed existence does not meet any of those criteria. Since a deity's existence contains no explanation of a phenomenon, makes no predictions (and couldn't be tested even if it did), cannot be falsified, and has no evidence to back it up, it cannot be called a theory. A deity's existence could not be a scientific law either. A scientific law is a phenomenon of nature that has been proven to invariably occur whenever certain conditions exist. Since a deity is not an occurance, it could not be a law either. Basically the short version of all that is that a scientific laws states WHAT something is doing, a scientific theory explains WHY it does that. It simply falls into a matter of evidence of existence, not theory or law. As I mentioned earlier, we have no evidence of the existence of a deity at this time.
chole_24
2006-07-22 01:37:44 UTC
Well, there is one things you COULD try and that is to ask them if they've ever had a 'close call' when driving; or avoided any type of accidental injury because something made them look up or behind them just in time. Who would they think that it was that gave them the notion to move out of the way? What can they say, "sixth sense", which God did bless me with. He is ALWAYS saving me at one time or another. Don't know where I'd be without Him. Isn't he just fantastic?



Never fear, and when you pray, be certain to include them in your prayer-time. Just ask God if He will remove the spirit of doubt from them and any evils that may be near them. That is all we can do for those who do not believe. They must want to change on their own. As Christians we cannot pray that God changes them; only that He assist in removing the spirit of doubt. The Lord will be returning soon; so there will be plenty of evidence when the Heaven's open up and the angels began to sound their trumpets and sing. If you should hear of other things, don't believe it. Jesus went out as a lamb, but will return as a lion, according to scripture. Try going on to kcm.org. That is Kenneth Copeland Ministries. I've been following their Bible teachings for years now. If you sign up for the newletter, you can get new knowledge every day in your e-mail. And it never fails. Every day I get a message that I needed. You can also submit a Prayer Request and just ask if they will pray in agreement with you regarding your friends and tell them the same as you said here. They will know how to advise you, and they are wonderful.
LadyLotus
2006-07-22 01:32:33 UTC
Spirituality, religion, Faith, are all very personal issues. I know what it's like to believe deeply in something, and want to share that experience with others, and want them to see or believe as well. Unfortunately, this world has gotten a bit cynical. I believe the best thing we all can do (especially those who have strong spiritual beliefs) is to lead by example. Be filled with Light, and the Love of the God we believe to be true and right, and lead a life that is worthy of being watched and admired, through that Light. And then, be very open to communications from those curious about your spiritual happiness.

The last thing people want is to be forced or preached at. I am not suggesting you are doing so, but in the "olde days" there was a lot of "recruiting" into religions and practices, and I think people really need to see proof.. which of course.. is you :).

Good luck, and Brightest of Blessings.. Lotus
curls
2006-07-22 02:47:53 UTC
As an atheist myself I can tell you, you aren't going to convince them. Some people just don't believe. All those arguments everyone posted will not make the least bit of difference to an atheist, in fact a few of them are down right silly. There is no real evidence and that is why everyone has different beliefs. I am going to assume they aren't bad people, they just don't believe in God, so if you are friends and they aren't bad people what is wrong with that? I am not saying don't try to convince them, but remember if you do it often enough they will tire of it, why not just let them have their beliefs as you have yours.
creeklops
2006-07-22 01:30:31 UTC
Have you told them to look up at the stars in the night time sky? How it goes on and on. How amazing is that? Look at the beauty of the sky during the day, the beautiful blue, white clouds. Imagine the oceans, now imagine underneath, alll the sealife. How wonderful is all that. How could all this just be. How could you (your friends) not believe in a superior being. An awesome loving God that created all this and more.
mirna
2006-07-22 01:42:19 UTC
I was fascinated when i realised that i am Body and Soul. My body is an instrument for my soul and i begin to read about the spiritually life.

Other things can fascinate the mens ,there aren't rule.They must read,the most readed book of the world The Bible,in the Old Testament God is there as Spirit,in teh New Testament God is Jesus. The Bible is real history. Say to they read more on: www.jnsr.be/... because God speaks in our days too.If they love the true,the love,the hope,the charity,the life..they love God,but they don't know that,but God knows and loves them.
anonymous
2006-07-22 01:54:17 UTC
Can you imagine what would happen to a country without a leader? Or a company without a CEO? Both will be in chaos and disorder. Same thing goes to the universe. There is a great power that controls this universe so that it will be in order and that great power is GOD..You know what,those atheists only believe what they see with their eyes..They don't know the true meaning of FAITH..Believe in something even though that thing cannot be seen with your eyes is what we call faith...Have faith in God and He will put His mercy and blessings on you.
tree
2006-07-22 01:32:23 UTC
If ordinary people were contacted directly by God on a regular basis, that'd be proof enough for me. Why do our "contacts" with Him occur almost entirely inside our own heads? Why con manifestations of God's presence be so easily explained by other phenomena? Surely God is able to communicate with each of us individually without our having to believe or wanting to believe as a prerequisite?
flindo61
2006-07-22 02:11:55 UTC
THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE PROOF,IT IS THE WORD OF GOD.

FIRST WE HAVE TO BELIEVE,FOR GOD IS A SPIRIT.

Scripture given by inspiration of God

2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Tm:3:17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

WE ARE NOT TO MAKE THEM BELIEVE,IT IS A CHOICE.GOD GAVE THE WORD FREELY,LET THEM COME TO THE LIVING WATER ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL.NOT ALL WILL BE SAVD
Dougnuts38
2006-07-22 01:29:06 UTC
Your friends don't really want evidence. It is a rhetorical question. They, like I , have already decided against the existence of God, and this is a technique used to make you think critically about your own bliefs. Do you find the evidence compelling?
Equinox
2006-07-22 01:27:59 UTC
Stop trying to convince Atheists to believe in God and just pray that God enlighten their minds. But if you insist - just ask them : Other than the possibility of God being the creator of the universe - can they explain how everything came to be and what designed everything to be what they are - from the galaxies to the planets, to the stone in their yard and the rain drops that fall... we know what they are made of, who made them?



When they think in silence - is it their brain talking or their soul?
the other one
2006-07-22 01:26:56 UTC
They don't want to believe in God. That's OK. Truth and reality are more important than belief. So what are truth and reality. Haven't a clue. But it might have something to do with God.
nathan
2006-07-22 01:27:16 UTC
well, i beleive in God completly, with all me heart. but the most people have to beleive in him, to want to beleive in him if that made any sence. people tell me that it was Evilution that happened, not creation. they always say "Everything Evolved from an ameba, or some other single celled organism". and the one way i get them to shut up, is by saying "Ok, so where did those single celled organisms come from?".

hope this helped.
GOVIND C
2006-07-22 01:30:48 UTC
atheists dont want any evidence of God's existence...an atheist like me believes that God must exist...but that necessarily doesnt mean that i believe in God...believing in God (as in delivering us from our "sins") and believing in the existence of God are two different things...those who do not believe in the existence of god are agnostics...not necessarily atheists
?
2006-07-22 01:46:40 UTC
well dear, tell them about a ship bearing all kinds of precious goods ,crossing the ocean by itself , no captain on it , no sailors, and it sails safely , doesnt crash with any obstacle , nobody confront its way, it knows where to go without interfering from any controller.then it comes back to its first place ,never exposed to theft ,would they believe such fable?
brandy q
2006-07-22 01:30:57 UTC
Let them jump over the building so at their second life they would see God.
anonymous
2006-07-22 01:27:14 UTC
Listen to ur heart, If you can feel it ,it exist! Thats the thing that is inside of you and show u what is write and what is wrong
selvi_mks89
2006-07-22 01:27:41 UTC
i think it is a stupid question.sooooory



you and me and even all creations of god are evidences of God's existence

even your self confidence and all your actions are evidences of God's existence
sun
2006-07-22 01:27:57 UTC
give me ure e-mail and i'll let you know plenty of them. Things which you'll see, but cant explain and their connection to the religious factors. my e-mail is sudeep.dash@yahoo.com.



PS : I'm serious, not kidding. 'coz I'm a religious person myself.
anonymous
2006-07-22 01:25:30 UTC
You are just using that as an excuse...Goto chruch!

God Bless You
Aleks
2006-07-22 01:27:50 UTC
anything that a scientific journal would publish, ie, rational, reproducible, with clear unambiguous results.
Naoman B
2006-07-22 03:22:04 UTC
by Dr. Zakir Naik



CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST





Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.



My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ýLa ilaahaý - meaning ýthere is no Godý. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ýil lallahý i.e. BUT ALLAH which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.



LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD





My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ýthis is a pený, for the opposite person to say, ýit is not a pený, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ýthere is no Godý, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.



If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.



Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.



(You may refer to my article, Concept of God in Islam, for more details)



QURAN AND MODERN SCIENCE





The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the Concept of God in Islam to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.



Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Quran is a revelation of God.



If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, the creator of that object. Some may say the producer while others may say the manufacturer. What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don't grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.



SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, THE QURAN AND MODERN SCIENCE COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?



THEORY OF PROBABILITY





In mathematics there is a theory known as 'Theory of Probabilit'. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12%.



A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.



Let us apply this theory of probability to the Quran, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Quran which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.



At the time when the Quran was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Quran rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.



The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qurýan rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.



Further, the Quran also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qurýan rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.







The Quran speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Quran is Divine.



CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QURAN





The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the 'CREATOR', the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is 'God', or more appropriate in the Arabic language, 'ALLAH'.



QURAN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE





Let me remind you that the Qurýan is not a book of Science, 'S-C-I-E-N-C-E' but a book of Signs 'S-I-G-N-S' i.e. a book of ayaats. The Quran contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. 'signs', out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Quran is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qurýan is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.



But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ýUý turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Quran is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qurýan was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.



SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD





Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small 'g' that is fake god) but God (with a capital 'G').



Surah Fussilat:



"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"



[Al-Quran 41:53]



Reference: http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm



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BoredomStrikes
2006-07-22 01:31:26 UTC
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ElderStud
2006-07-22 01:24:07 UTC
Anything rational would do.
anonymous
2006-07-22 01:31:27 UTC
If the Scripture is not true and from an Almighty Creator then please explain to me how that over 4,000 years ago it could predict Israel becoming a nation? REMEMBER Israel did not become a nation until 1948! Just as great; 2,000 years ago Jesus said Jerusalem in the end times would be surrounded with armies. What are the odds that two great predicaments such as these could come to be true? Its NOT just a book. In the face of all its enemies it’s the all time Number One Best Seller! What other book is there on the market that claims to be from a god; makes great predictions like these and they actually happen exactly as stated? I can tell you there are NONE.



And I WILL make of thee A GREAT NATION, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shat be a blessing. Gen 12:2



The days will come when there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And when ye shall see JERUSALEM COMPASSED WITH ARMIES. Luke 21:6, 20



The oldest civilization scientist have found is about 6000 years ago. So its not only the genealogy in the scripture that is right, but the oldest civilization know to scientist is only almost 6000 years old.



A team of scientist took lava to another team to have them test how old it was. 2nd team said over a billion years old. 1st team amazed said; it was just formed at Mt. St. Helen’s. This proves that we cannot trust bias scientist or their dating methods.



God could stop all evil, but then some would complain we are not free. He did not make robots! It is not a joke universe, actions have consequences, even beyond ourselves.



Historians, archaeologists, and scientists continue to find solid evidence to corroborate the scriptures accuracy. One archeologist who has worked around Jerusalem all his life says he has not found one piece of evidence to contradict the scripture but to the contrary found many pieces of evidence to validate the scriptures authenticity.







Which is it?





Which is it? Some scientist have said the earth is eternal, others say it was a big bang.

Evolutionist say that we have evolved down through the years. They believe that finally we have evolved from apes. Lets look at a couple of the ridiculous positions this puts them in.

First off, apes have been around a lot longer today then they were then. Why do I not see apes turning into man today? Certainly they would still be changing into human form. Why do I not at least find a half man half ape? Something is lost? Why did one or more apes evolve and all the rest suddenly stop evolving. The apes are not perfect yet so they should continue to evolve.

Second, they paint this beautiful picture of how things evolved down through the years. However they never stop to think about where the opposite sex came from. Do they expect us to believe that on top of all this evolving, that each species also evolved a male or female beside itself? Why do we even need sex if we all evolved from each other? That throws a monkey wrench in their hopeful theory. Single Men? If you were alone on this earth, How many billion years would it take you to produce that blonde haired blue eyed woman that you always wanted to marry? Are you that smart? Think a little! How many billions of years would it take you to make a opposite mate? Are you that smart? What color hair will you give her? What color eyes will you give her? You see how stupid evolution becomes if we think a little bit. And down goes their little paper tower! This is just a couple of the many ridiculous positions they find themselves in. This is what they expect us to accept as gospel. This is what they are teaching our children. They avoid the issues I just brought out because they do not want their beautiful picture exposed. If you were alone on this earth, How many billion years would it take you to produce a spouse? Are we that smart? Think a little! Would you give her/him blue eyes? Blond hair? How long would it take you to produce the person of your dreams? Don’t you think the human race would die off first? What about all the animal species? How long would it take each of them to evolve their opposite sex? Did we loose this ability somewhere down the line? You see how stupid evolution becomes if we think a little bit. And down goes their little paper tower! You can do all the grunting and growling and pushing you want to but you will never be able to produce an opposite sex beside yourself. If you are born a man not even science with all their brilliant technology could cause you to mutate and help you to evolve into a woman. Besides you would have to evolve into two if you were going to produce offspring because it takes male and female!! They may cause you to look like a woman BUT we would all laugh when we would see you trying to give birth.



When referring to the earth, most scientist used to say eternity past. In other words they believed the earth always was. Now they have changed horses in the middle of the stream and they believe in the big bang theory. They now believe the earth had an origin, or in other words the earth had a beginning. That sounds like the scripture! They are getting closer to what we believe is truth. I wish they could make up their minds.





We see matter all around us. Scientist have taken this matter and dissected it. Lets use glass for example. They have taken glass and broken it down into elements. They broke it down further and further trying to get to the smallest particle. They went further in breaking it down and found the atom, the smallest particle known to man. But scientist were still curious. They wanted to see what was inside the atom. They pulled the atom apart and boom! A burst of light came out. Pure energy, and it disappeared. It was never there the whole time. Scientist have concluded this. Guess what this proves? An ancient old book proclaims this long before the scientist finally reached this point with their brilliant technology:



Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3



Isn't that amazing! Scientist are getting closes and closer to the truth. That's why there are more scientists that believe in God than evolutionists. In fact scientists and evolutionists are at times in sharp contrast against one another. For instance, the evolutionist will tell you that things are evolving and getting better and better and better. Their beautiful picture looks good until a law of science, the law of thermodynamics sets in. The law of thermodynamics says things are getting worse and worse and worse. In other words things go from a state of order to disorder. You take the finest brick home and leave it alone long enough and it will return to the very elements from which it was made. So already we have a law of science verses evolution. Men used to live well into the hundreds. Just over the last century it was predominant in all church history records of men living to 100 years or a little more. Now only a few can hold onto that ancient old age. A state of order to disorder. Even our earth rotation is slowing down.

Lets take a look at the other thing the scientist saw when they pulled the atom apart: light! Look at what this fits:



And God said, let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:3

Sounds like an ancient old story to me.

Then you have the argument that the earth is billions of years old but yet the scripture only puts it at about 6,000 years old. I like to think God has done this to play with the scientist thinking:



He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Psalms 2:4



Because the answer is so simple. When God made Adam, God made him in his mature state. If we looked at Adam on his first day we would possibly say "you are at least 30 years old." But Adam would say "no, I am only a day old." When scientist look at the earth they say "you are a billion years old." But the earth says "no, I am only 6,000 years old." It is obvious in the creation that God created things in their mature state. So what appears and tests to be very old is not actually very old at all. However evolutionist fail to see this point until it is pointed out to them. That's our job as the body of Christ; to tell the truth and expose the lies. However, sometimes when you point this out some men will refuse to see it:



For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4





Or it could be that God has blinded them to the truth:



And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: II Thessalonians 2:10,11



The evolutionists are enjoying this life but alienating themselves from the real life:



Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Ephesians 4:18



Lets take a look at our haphazard luck from this "big bang." We just happen to have 21% oxygen here on earth. Any more than that and we would become a ball of fire. Any less than that and we would become extinct from lack of oxygen. The bang was in our favor.

There is something else we need to have to survive and we just happen to have it: h2o, better known as water. The only planet known to scientist to have water. The scientist were sure Jupiter had water, until a object hit the surface and allowed them to get a peek. What they thought was water was mysterious black spots that they cannot explain. Somehow we here on earth ended up with more water than land. The big bang dealt us another good blow.

We just happen to be the right distance from the sun. Any further away and we would become a deep freeze. Any closer and we would be crispy critters. What a bang that must have been. We need more bangs like that. These above are just a mere few of the many hundreds of thousands of illustrations that I could bring out. I do not have enough paper and you do not have enough years to read about all of the big bang luck!

I like the way one scientist who believes in God said it. I may not get him word for word but I’ll try to relate it the best I can recall. He said you could have 1 billion people standing in a row. Each of them having a bucket. In each bucket is 100 dice. They have been practicing and have become pro's at throwing and scooping up their dice. And for 1 billion years they have been picking up 100 dice and throwing them once a second. What is the chance of one of them throwing all sixes? Give it some thought. It is very doubtful that it would ever happen. That's just dice. Think about it if we had to throw physics, elements, life and a whole lot of other complex things into that bucket. Yet a lot of people accept the evolutionist theory that water, oxygen, animals, plants, light, darkness, vision, smell, hearing, taste, and one trillion other things came from a big bang! What kind of people do they take us for? They are going to have to come up with something better.

My question is, where did the big bang come from? A speck of matter? Where did the matter come from? Gasses? Where did the gas come from?



Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isaiah 44:24



We are part of a big bang..... God said it.....and BANG! it was there!



How could we say God does not exist but yet we do exist? Are we that arrogant? Did we make ourselves but God cannot exist?



In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Ephesians 1:11



Most scientist used to believe that we evolved from a single cell. However now they know from modern technology that even a small cell is made up of numerous electrons, protons, and neutrons. If any one of these elements is absent, the cell fails to exist. The genetic information in a single cell animal, if spelled out in English is equal to that of a whole volume of encyclopedia Britannica. So now we are forced to believe that all of these elements had to come inconceivably from somewhere and meet incredibly at the same time and by a bizarre freak fluke constructed in the right order to produce this living cell. This is the equivalent of believing that marbles being dropped on a typewriter produced an entire set of encyclopedia Britannica. What would the chance of producing just one page of any encyclopedia in the world be? Its just as easy to believe that a Boeing 747 resulted from a tornado raging through a junkyard. Then someone will say maybe the cells were not made up by the same laws of physics like they are today. Maybe so, and maybe there are loch-ness monsters, and maybe bigfoot does exist!

The point is, is that we need to stick to facts and not inflated assumptions. I am happy about scientific discoveries. The more scientist discover, the more my heart leaps for joy. Just as the theory that the earth was the center of the solar system and that the planets move around the earth finally snapped, the backbone of evolution will be forced one day to snap! Those that hold onto the theory when scientist finally reject it will become a laughingstock. Evolution will become a religion taking more faith to believe in it than creation. Evolutionist will be in a class of their own. God bless true science and the true scientist!

We are giving you sound reasoning that God exist. Belief that God exist is logically prior to belief in God. Please allow me to lift a jewel out of its setting:



For he that cometh to God must believe that he is. Hebrews 11:6



No rational person boards an airplane without some prior evidence that it can fly safely. He needs evidence that a safe plane exist before he places trust in it. "in God we trust." America, it is time that we take our schools and our government back from those that oppose the basic principles of God. This nation is great only because of one. If we keep pushing that one aside, death is at our door! Gang violence will seem like Sunday school if we make this drastic mistake.

Most of the early founders of modern scientist believed in creation. After carefully studying the universe, Newton concluded:



It is not to be conceived that mere mechanical causes could give birth to so many regular motions. This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being.



To believe that a bang (wherever it came from) produced this awesome and majestic beautiful earth of ours, herein lies our folly. We know by observing constant movement in the present that natural causes can and do produce sand dunes but that it takes intelligent causes to produce sand castles.



We did not choose him. He chose us?



According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be Holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4



The scripture has proven itself over and over again. For example, before we had the modern technology of today, it was believed that the earth was resting on some kind of support. This went from the ridiculous of the earth resting on elephants to the more logical of resting on the shoulders of a giant named atlas. However the word of God said long before these theories that the earth rested upon nothing.



He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Job 26:7



The scripture really stepped out on a limb on this one. Just think if the scientist did prove that the earth rested on some kind of support. The scripture would be put on the same shelves as Donald duck or the funny papers. But once again true science proves what the scripture already knew.



...hangeth the earth upon nothing. Job 26:7



According to history it was once believed the earth was flat. Up until the time Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue, many still believed the earth was flat. Once again the scripture proclaimed long before this event, "the circle of the earth."



It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22



Again the scripture puts itself at risk. If eventually scientist would have proven that the earth was flat, the scripture would have become a laughing stock. Once again science finally reached the conclusion that the scripture always held.



...the circle of the earth...Isaiah 40:22



How could ordinary uninspired men know what took scientist years to determine. Since the scripture has proven itself worthy lets give it a say in the matter:



For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. II Peter 1:21



All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: II Timothy 3:16



A manufacturer said that it sometimes takes two days to teach a person how to put the 17 parts of a meat chopper together. But this I do know he said; you can shake those 17 parts around in a wash tub for the next 17 billion years and you will never have a meat chopper. The scripture says it perfectly:



For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. Hebrews 3:4



Why did God choose this plan for us to believe in him, with us not even seeing him? Again, all we have to do is think a little bit and realize the brilliance and wisdom of God that surpasses us, but at times he gives us a peak at his wisdom. Here is a peak: God is like we are in some aspects. He wants to be loved? He created angels to worship him. He created cherubim’s to love him. It is something like us programming a computer to say I love, I love you, I love you. Is that true love? It reminds me of a highly decorated man that is retiring from the military and the troops are ordered there to show their love and appreciation, and I wonder who would be there if they were not ordered. Who would the true followers be that would not have to be ordered. A dear brother of mine, brother Donnie Seifried once told me: if God had put a big speaker in the air and all we had to do to be saved was to come once a year and hear God speak for an hour, there would probably be hundreds of thousands of people there just to be saved. But where would their hearts be? You see, God gave us something that we can take liberty in: freedom of choice! He could have programmed us or made us love him, but that would not be the same. And how much more pure is that love if you can find a group of people who have never seen you, but yet they are ridiculed because of you. They are laughed at because of you. They are beaten, mocked, and even killed because of you. But yet they loved you. On judgment day God will know that these are truly ones that really do love him for they have never even seen him. This is absolute love in its purest form. The excellent wisdom of God!



Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:29



We sometimes try to comprehend love. Yet we cannot even begin to grasp or understand the depth of love.



He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. I John 4:8



I cannot even begin to tap into a fraction of the love and kindness and mercy that God is. It is beyond my grasp when I think of scientists sneering at him, mankind mocking him, when I see hatred so strong that men kill one another, and yet he loves us dearly. A omnipresent Spirit puts aside the splendor of heaven, robes himself in flesh, bridles his powers, and lets man torture him and gives his flesh as ransom to show how much he loves us.



For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3 :16



Lets take a look at what we call the scripture and see if we can put our faith in it. Did you know the scripture was written by approximately 44 different men over a 1600 year period? Think about that. What if you took 20 men who had known each other for 20 years, and you sent them each to a different city in the united states and told them to write a chapter about God. Then all the men come together again and you tell them to put all of their chapters together and call it "the book." What would it look like? It would be a mess wouldn't it since men do not all believe in the same God the same way? But look at the scripture. It was written by approximately 44 different men over a 1600 year period and most of the men never even knew each other. Yet from genesis to Revelation its in perfect harmony. Now that's amazing. What would be the chances of a book written over a 1600 year period by 44 different men who most never knew each other to be in absolute harmony? It would be humanly impossible to do this. When I hear people say the scripture was written by men as if to say you can't trust it astounds me. Certainly they have never considered the facts. If we as men wrote it without the help of God, one of us would say: Its alright to sin a little bit, or its OK to look at another woman just a little. We hate the things the scriptures stands for, how in the world can one say we wrote it! One of those writers would have said it alright to commit fornication or its alright to do this! Uninspired men wrote the book? That is laughable. Why would we write a book that takes a stand against the things we like? How can 44 different men most of who never knew each other venomently preach against adultery, fornication, and other sins that we as men like. One of those men certainly would have said its alright to sin just a little. Lets be real here, its not just another book! Scientists have tried to dissect the book. Agnostics have tried to disprove it. Atheists have tried to discredit it. It is the anvil that wears out the hammers. No other literary has stood the test of time. And while all of this is going on it is still the #1 best seller. I can trust the scripture!

We have a God that longs for us. Who do we know; that would leave the portholes of heaven, a wonderful paradise and come to earth and become a bloody massacre to rid us from the corruption of sin and death? I know one! He did this because he loves us. He left us his word to find the way.



Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105.



The planets do not collide and they are sustained in the atmosphere by the power of his word.



Thank you for your time and may Jesus bless you richly is my prayer in Jesus name.



Love you


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