Question:
Another Strange Question From My Oddball Mind ?
Paul
2013-01-06 11:16:03 UTC
Ok, If nothing has been added to or subtracted from the Universe since it came into being then both Life and Consciousness, or their potential, MUST have been present from the very first instant.
I've read it was about 300,000 years after the Big Bang before some energies collapsed into atomic structure.
So, is there any real Scientific objection to forms of Life that do not need a Material Body ?
I don't necessarily mean Angels and/or Demons. I simply mean Non - Corporeal Life.
And if so would such life forms be subject to evolutionary development ?
I'd say yes to that, but with some acknowledgment to their very different circumstances.

NOTE. I'm reposting this question in order to reply to those who answered my first posting.
Even so any further comments are welcome.
All my previous answerers made me think, and helped me to refine and redefine my puzzle. Unfortunately I picked best answer before editing a response to them. Reposting is the only solution I can think of.

Stimp, thanks for responding. No, not disappears, and not Supernatural. When a flower dies It undergoes decomposition. It's chemical structure disintegrates. All living creatures have an electromagnetic field. This, along with other energies, heat, etc dissipate. Disintegrate and dissipate, but not disappear.
A Natural, but undefined, force called life, which is present in the seed, then plays it's essential part in the growth and decline of the flower. We assume that Life is passed to the seed from it's parent plant along with the DNA information essential to it's existence. Once it has separated from the parent plant it's Life is considered it's own. The Natural force called life has never been observed or measured during this process, only it's effects, and mainly in Bacteria

Maurog, thanks for responding. Self replicating patterns are a feature of non-living matter also, consider crystal structure.
Conditions in the first few seconds after the big bang were too chaotic for the structure we now live in, but the POTENTIAL for it must have been present from the very first instant. This includes both Life and Consciousness.
Purple Unicorns, like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, do exist.... as Concepts. They have both cause and effect which is measurable and thus they are well within the scope of science. Purple Unicorns and similar items have been constructed from plastic, represented in 2D pictures and are a saleable commodity. I do not assert they are a life form, that was your assumption.
When ( time ) I read, on the internet ( place ) about the Flying Spaghetti Monster ( cause ) I chuckled ( effect ).
An observed cause and effect in time and space is a reality. To be Aware of it implies Conscious life, but not necessarily of that which is observed.

Marathzul, thanks for responding. The Second law of Thermodynamics states exactly what I wrote.
The First Law of Thermodynamics states that if all the negative energy was subtracted from all the positive energy in the Universe the result would be Zero. For some reason these energies didn't collide and destroy each other, but separated enough to form us and the reality we live in.
The second Law of Thermodynamics states that nothing has enterd or left the Universe scince it's origin with the Big Bang. All we now see and live within, incuding Us who see and live within it, is the result of transformations of the original energies due to the Universe expanding and cooling.

Fitzby, thanks for responding. I assume different forms of non-corporeal life would have different levels of Sentience. I also would not attribute immortality to them, but their lifespan would be free from many limitations. Microbes for example do not age. They are capable of regenerating every part of their bodies indefinitely, and only die from causes other than ageing.

Country boy, thanks for responding. There is a coherent alternative to the Big Bang Theory. It's called "Inflationary Theory" and was proposed by Alan Guth, an American Cosmologist. In 2009 He received the Isaac Newton medal from the Institute of Physics in London in recognition of his work.
How Corporeal Life came about is an unanswered question as yet, but the fact that it exists made me wonder about the possibility of Non-Corporeal Life.

Voice of Reason thanks for responding. I remember the controversy aroused by Roger Penrose's discovery of Microtubules when it happened. I'll take a deeper look.
Four answers:
?
2013-01-06 11:19:23 UTC
It's an interesting theory based on assumptions but where is your compelling evidence to show it is true?
choko_canyon
2013-01-06 11:20:22 UTC
No, I don't think there's any scientific necessity for consciousness to be based on material form.



Is there some reason you tend to capitalize the first letter of every word in your opening question sentence?
anonymous
2013-01-06 11:29:36 UTC
The fact is that science can not measure this element yet as angels are more fine energy that can not be understood at present.Ghosts however are able to be measured. God is void so can not be measured at all in human terms.
Bibigirl
2013-01-06 11:20:47 UTC
There is constant adding and subtracting to the universe. What I want to know is where does it end and what's behind the "wall" if it does. Try to rationalize that.


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