Can a Jehovah's Witness please help me out with a few bible verses?

2008-09-26 08:37:21 UTC

John 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

a. John 3:16 Or his only begotten Son

John 7:16

Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.

John 14:4-6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 14:28

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:31

but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

John 17:1-9

1After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Jesus Prays for His Disciples

6"I have revealed you[a] to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

a. Deuteronomy 6:4 Or The LORD our God is one LORD; or The LORD is our God, the LORD is one ; or The LORD is our God, the LORD alone

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Isaiah 42:8

"I am the LORD; that is my name!

I will not give my glory to another

or my praise to idols

Gal 3:20

20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.

1 Cor 8:4-6

4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

1 Corinthians 11:3

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Hebrews 10:12-13

But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

1 John 5: 7 was changed for the KJV of the bible.

1 John 5:7--"For there are three that testify." A few very late manuscripts add in heaven—the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one."

Bible manuscripts that were written prior to the Eleventh Century C.E (A.D.) read quite differently. So, it appears as though this verse was changed about 1,000 years after John penned it by someone who wanted to provide scriptural backing to the Trinity doctrine.

When reading John the Fifth Chapter, the three witness-bearers are the water (baptism), the Breath (Gr. pneuma – the Breath of God), and the (shed) blood (of Jesus). Changing the water, the Breath, and the blood to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost would make the rest of what John wrote illogical; so that rendering is totaly false.

1 John 5:7-8

(KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. {8} And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

(NIV) 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

(NASV) 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

(ESV) 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

(CEV) 7 In fact, there are three who tell about it. 8 They are the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and they all agree.

(1901 ASV) 7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.

(HCSB) 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood —and these three are in agreement

(RSV) [7] And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. [8] There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.

(NAB-Roman Catholic) 7 So there are three that testify, 8 the Spirit

Suzy

2008-09-25 07:40:36 UTC

John 14:28 "YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am."

Jesus says it himself that the Father is greater than he is.

Rev.3:14 "And to the angel of the congregation in LaÂ·oÂ·diÂ·ce′a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God."

This faithful and true witness is Jesus Christ. God made him first before anything else of creation and as Jesus has a beginning and God does not, they can not be one and the same.

Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16Â because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17Â Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

Here again, the first born of all creation. Jesus was the first of creation, not = to his Father.

Matt 24:36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

This is about the time when Jehovah will come and get rid of the wickedness on earth. Notice that Jesus said that he did not know that time, only the Father knows. So if Jesus is God why wouldn't he have known.

To me this is the best point to prove the trinity is not right.

drc074

2008-09-24 20:43:23 UTC

Really doesn't sound like much of a question, you seem to have your own understanding of what the scriptures say. I guess I can go and explain how Jesus, prayed to his father, and how he , several times says that the father is greater than I, and how Jesus never took any credit for the miracles he performed but gave credit to HIS FATHER. YOU NO DOUBT HAVE YOUR OWN AGENDA. I'll list some other scriptures that you can go over, and I'm sure you'll see it the same way ...

Look them up and see for yourself.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Galatians 3:20 , Colossians 1:15 , Matt. 16:15-17 , John 20:17 , 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 , Mark 10:18

John 6:38 John 7:16

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2008-09-25 02:07:22 UTC

Cameron, if you could get hold of: Insight On The Scriptures and look under: Immanuel, you will find the answer to give your parents!

I will try and explain it, using this very book! Immanuel indeed does mean: God is with us, but this form of usage was used widely by the Jews. And you would find that name to be a common name even today. In fact, I live in France and there is a brother with that very name, but he would never presume to be God!!!

Just a point about Jesus being able to lay down on his own accord: He could because he still had free will to choose. An example of this is when in the garden confronted by the religious leaders, he said that he if wanted to he could get legions of angels to come to his aid, but he did not do that, because he wanted to do His Father's not his own.

In that same verse: John 10:17, 18, it says that God, Jehovah GAVE JESUS THE AUTHORITY TO LAY DOWN AND TAKE IT UP AGAIN!

I have just looked at the same scripture in the King James version and find that, although they are similar, it actually misses the reasoning behind why Jesus said what he did!

Jesus is also called many other names - like: wonderful councillor; mighty god (not: almighty God), eternal father; prince of peace.

I hope this helps for an immediate response to your parents letter?

Oh, and well done - keep the good work up!

Will J

2008-09-26 05:13:56 UTC

If someone wanted to prove the concept of the Trinity there are far better verses than these.

jehovah's witnesses will ignore the part in john 2:19 "...I will raise it again in three days". To the jw death is extinction or annihilation. Thus there is no way Jesus could raise His body after death. However Jesus said he would "raise it again in three days". So either Jesus was correct in what he said, or he was wrong.

Those who believe in life after death, believe that death is separation. Thus Jesus, being alive spiritually along with the Father, raised the body of Jesus.

Bernard Jean-Pierre

2008-09-25 00:46:41 UTC

Jesus could not ressurect himself, no more than a dead person can simply come back to life again on their own will. Jehovah resurrected Jesus. Ecclesiates 9:5 says that the 'dead are conscious of nothing at all', this would include all thought process. So according to that one scripture alone, Jesus could not have simply been conscious of thought and dead simultaneously. Jesus did infact die, and was infact resurrected, the entire Christian faith is build upon this teaching. Secondly, read Acts 2:27-32. Here is tells us that Jesus is in 'Hell' (Sheol, Hades). I love this scripture because not only does it disprove the Trinity, but also the teaching the Hellfire is a literal place of torment and eternal fire. Because if it was, Why was Jesus a PERFECT man there?? Obviously it is not a literal place of torment, but rather represents the 'common grave of mankind'. But to continue, Jesus and Jehovah God could not be the same person because Jesus did infact die. If the Father died, that would mean that ALL of his energy would also cease to exist......that would include ALL SOURCES OF LIFE. So if the Father died, we would TOO. We can not live or sustain or own life apart from God, anymore than an appliance can operate disconnected from its power source.

Also notice that in John 14:28 Jesus himself says that the Father is GREATER than he is. If Jesus and Jehovah were the same, would it not be more appropiate to say 'we are the same in Greatness'?? And lastly at Luke 4:5-8 Jesus is tempted by Satan the Devil, but the Bible says that God cannot be tried. Just as the Bible teaches Jehovah is God Almighty, Jesus is his firstborn creation, and the Holy Spirit is God's active force used to carry out his will. When has 1+1+1 EVER been equaled to 1??? Do you know of ANY Father and Son's who are somehow siamese twins are in the same body as the exact same person and yet distincts?? There is a great difference between things that are 'profound' and just plain ol' incorrect. The Trinity is the latter.

2008-09-25 10:17:46 UTC

John 2:18 Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

John 2:20 The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?"

John 2:21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

John 2:22After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

John 10:17-18 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

If Jesus was dead in the grave….wouldn’t God have to raise him? He says in verse 18 that he (Jesus) has the authority to lay it down (his life) and take it up again. In my opinion, this proves Jesus and God are one in the same.

ANSWER:

These are just a play on phraseology.

Jesus would never have been resurrected if he had sinned. Because the wages that sin pays is death:

*** Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

However Jesus did NOT sin and thus by his act of obedience he furnished his own resurrection. So in this respect Jesus "raised up his body" but it was Jehovah that did the actual resurrecting.

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Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[a]—which means, "God with us."

ANSWER:

There is no reason to read into this name something so literal. God can be "with" us in many respects. When Jehovah sent his son to the earth he was showing mankind (and the Jews in particular) that He was still with them and working on their salvation.

It is nonsensical to think such phrases that can be taken different ways can ONLY mean the trinity. What has happened is that because there is no other evidence for the trinity to be found in the Bible, over the centuries people have searched for "hints" and "clues" that the Bible really is teaching something it does not.

One has to wonder why we need to be analyzing precise word construction and theorising on its meaning to discover the trinity if it truly is a Bible teaching?

Why does it not plainly say so?

After all it plainly says that Jesus is the SON of God.

It plainly says that God is GREATER than Jesus.

It plainly says that God knows things that Jesus does not...

Only the trinity needs to be discovered through scrabbling around the text looking for clues and theorising on the meaning of things that have several possible meanings.

I think that says a lot.

butterfly

2008-09-24 21:18:05 UTC

Matthew 26:39 "Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, "My Father, if it be possible, let This cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou will." (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer wold have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father's will.)

John 8:17,18 "(Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:) In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me." (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.

Mark 13:32 Of that day or that hour no ones knows not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father (Of course that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal) comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from Knowing, the question remains, why did the Holy Spirit not know? There are a lot of scriptures in the bibles that discredit the trinity doctrine people have been taught and just believe and accept when it has been in the bible all this time.

angelmusic

2008-09-24 20:53:31 UTC

When I think of these verses, I think of an illustration about writing a will.

You put into writing before your death what is to transpire after your death. Your will is read, your words or wishes are heard by others and what you ask for is carried out by your authority while you are dead.

But physically someone else is carrying out your written wishes.

Jehovah carried out what Jesus had authority to do - give his life and have his life back due to his faithfulness.

Also notice verse 22 - "After he WAS raised from the dead", not after he raised up himself.

And the phrase "This command I received FROM MY Father."

Hope this helps a little.

JOYfilled - Romans 8:28

2008-09-25 11:31:37 UTC

Dear Cameron,

I'm curious. Was that the first religious book you ever read? Have you ever read the Bible from cover-to-cover?

I ask because I too read the book you are mentioning. But I had read the Bible from cover-to-cover many times before I read the jw publication. That book does quote scripture here and there but it is not at all biblical.

Interesting that you don't care about what your parents think in spite of the commandment to honor your parents.

I challenge you to read another book about the Trinity if you are truly seeking to know the truth. One of the books I'm currently reading is The Forgotten Trinity - Recovering the Heart of Christian Belief by James R. White.

For His glory,

JOYfilled

2008-09-24 22:51:01 UTC

You have received the answer to your Q. But --under the circumstances-- I think that you may want to read:

'The Trinity Brochure'

http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_01.htm

Its contents are:

Should You Believe It?

How Is the Trinity Explained?

Is It Clearly a Bible Teaching?

How Did the Trinity Doctrine Develop?'

What Does the Bible Say About God & Jesus?

Is God Always Superior to Jesus?

The Holy Spirit--God's Active Force

What About Trinity "Proof Texts"?

Worship God on His Terms

The following Bible-based sets of articles are on the same basic subject:

Is Jesus Christ God? :

- Who Is Jesus Christ?

- Who Is “the Only True God”?

- “Those Who Are Called ‘Gods’ ”

- What “the Only True God” Promises

http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_01.htm

Jesus Christ:

- A God or a Man?

- Who Is Jesus Christ?

- Is Jesus God Almighty?

http://watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_01.htm

Jesus--Who Was He? :

- The Greatest Man of All Time

- Why He Is So Important

- The Life He Makes Possible

http://watchtower.org/e/200612/article_01.htm

One of the points that really sticks in my mind, is that if Jesus had been either God,

or, equal to God, that his dieing for sinful humanity would have put us in much deeper debt, rather than wiping out our debt! Notice how this is explained in:

Mankind's Release From Death

http://watchtower.org/e/lmn/article_08.htm

2008-09-24 20:10:44 UTC

Use this line of reasoning with them:

There are three texts (1Â John 5:7, AV; Matthew 28:19; 2Â Corinthians 13:14) that speak of the Father, Son and holy spirit in formal connection, but not one of these says anything about a trinity. If the trinity doctrine is the central doctrine of “Christian” religion, why, out of 31,173 verses in the Bible, should there be only three to use Father, Son and holy spirit in formal connection, and one of these, that is, 1Â John 5:7 admittedly spurious?

Also, bring up these scriptures after you've looked them up yourself: Matthew 3:16, 17; John 10:25; John 14:28 (my favorite; Jesus said in that verse: The father is greater than I am. So, you can use the reasoning that Jesus is admitting that he is not equal to God, simple as that.)

If they still can't see the logic, then it's not your problem anymore; it's theirs. You can liken it to an illustration about a seed. You can plant tons of seeds, but only the right kind of soil will help it grow. Some people you try to reason with are just bad soil and you can't change that; they have to change.

LineDancer

2008-09-24 22:12:09 UTC

By what he here said, did Jesus mean that he would resurrect himself from the dead? Does that mean that Jesus is God, because Acts 2:32 says, “This Jesus God raised up”? Not at all. Such a view would conflict with Galatians 1:1, which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son. Using a similar mode of expression, at Luke 8:48 Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith. (Luke 8:46; Acts 10:38) Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.

doconwheelzz

2008-09-24 20:26:31 UTC

Jesus said to his opponents: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (John 2:19-22) But as John points out, Jesus was referring, not to the temple in Jerusalem, but to “the temple of his body.” Jesus was thus comparing his anticipated death and resurrection to the demolition and reconstruction of a building.—Compare Matthew 16:21

John 10 17-18 "Â This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18Â No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.”...You will have to show her how Jesus was and Angel in Heaven before coming to Earth as a man. Then encourage her to research the various Bible translations to get the fullest meaning of the verses. The verse form the NWT makes it easier to understand. He agreed to go ahead and surrender his position in Heaven with his father to come down and take on a man's form. But he also know that when he finally would die he be raised again to heaven. throughout mankind’s history, there have been some who sacrificed their lives for others. But theirs was only a limited life; sooner or later they would have died anyway. Jesus Christ, however, was a perfect human with the right to life. He was not facing inherited death as were and are all the rest of mankind; nor could anyone have forcibly taken Jesus’ life without his allowing it. (John 10:18; Hebrews 7:26) Recall his words: “Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than twelve legions of angels?”—Matthew 26:53; John 10:17,Â 18.

As for Matt 1:23 well...This identity of Jesus Christ as Immanuel did not mean he was the incarnation of God, ‘God in the flesh,’ which proponents of the Trinity teaching claim is implied by the meaning of Immanuel, namely, “With Us Is God.” It was a common practice among Jews to embody the word “God,” even “Jehovah,” in Hebrew names. Even today Immanuel is the proper name of many men; none of whom are incarnations of God.Jesus was not given the personal name Immanuel, but his role as a human fulfilled its meaning. Jesus’ presence on the earth as the Messianic Seed and Heir to David’s throne proved to Jehovah’s worshipers that God was with them, on their side, backing them up in their undertakings.—Genesis 28:15; Exodus 3:11,Â 12; Joshua 1:5,Â 9; Psalm 46:5-7; Jeremiah 1:19.

Hope this helps...ask your teacher or one of the Elders if this doesn't help enough. They may be able to help you reason with them further. Sorry for the misspellings...it is really late here and I am sleepy..:o)

I Love/JW.ORG

2008-09-24 21:36:59 UTC

john 17:1 jesus spoke these things,and, raising his eyes to heaven,he said:" father,the hour has come;glorify your son,that your son may glorify you. (if jesus was talking to himself that would make him crazy.now, who would want to put faith in a man that talks to himself)

john 17:3 this means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you,the only true god,and of the one whom you sent forth,jesus Christ.

(notice that jesus said the only true god.) this is like saying," mike was the only true champion."

john 17:5-8 " i have made your name manifest..." verse 7" they have now come to know that all things you gave me are from you.

(if jesus mention that he is jesus Christ why does he have to make his name manifest.) all things given jesus was from a individual god who created all things. being that jesus give all credit to his heavenly father while he was on earth. doesn't that make god superior then jesus christ.

john 5:19 " the son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative,but only what he beholds the father doing. for whatever thing that one does,these things the son also does in like manner."

so jesus developed traits like Jehovah's god (palms 83:18).and when he came to earth we were able to receive a sneak preview of gods personality. just like a son develops traits from his parents.

what about the holy spirit? to be continued. please ask me what the answer is? in that way i know you received my email. thank you

ray_clrk

2008-09-25 03:40:19 UTC

According to 1 Corinthians 15:24,28 once everything is going to be subjected to Jesus which he is at the (Right Hand of God)

Jesus is going to Hand Over the Kingdom back over to His God & Father.

this shows they are not the same individual

Well they may say in the flesh they may be separate but in spirit they are the same. no no that's not reasonable

In Revelations 1:1 A Revelation by Jesus Christ which God gave him.

it did not say he gave it to him self it was given to him, by whom? his God & our God his Father and Our Father.

?

2008-09-24 20:05:35 UTC

These verses don't prove that Jesus was God. He was given authority by his Father. It could be the same with the other disciples. As it was, Jesus never did raise the temple. You don't have to be JW to doubt the trinity.

Greek Olive

2008-09-24 23:01:39 UTC

Reply to BirdHunter: So you never say "our" and "us" when talking with a family member? Nothing like, "Let's go to OUR house and you can visit with US" ????

What about the scripture about a husband leaving his mother and father and him and his wife becoming "one flesh"....does a married couple actually become ONE PERSON? No, one in unity and purpose. So, why does this apply to a married couple, but not God and His Son Jesus?

t a m i l

2008-09-24 20:40:44 UTC

Jesus was raised up a New Temple. He meant that He raised up a renewed flesh & bone.

And also He said in 3 days. And I believe this also represents 3 ages, & the fullness of Gods Church (We are the Temple of God) will be raised up in the the 3rd millennium. That would be the first Resurrection complete where us born again Christians are raised up flesh & bone like Jesus raised up in. And we can say to death, "Oh death, where is your sting!?".

The fullness of God raised up Jesus. God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. It wasn't an easy thing to do.

But Jesus was without sin in His humanity. So in His humanity He broke the curse of sin & death. For us.

Pay Dirt

2008-09-24 20:38:34 UTC

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Gen. 1:26

Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” Gen. 11:7

Who is the "US" and "OUR" is the verses above?

Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 Jn. 5:7

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jn. 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jn. 1:14

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH(JESUS),

Justified in the Spirit,

Seen by angels,

Preached among the Gentiles,

Believed on in the world,

Received up in glory. 1 Tim. 3:16

I and My Father are one. Jn. 10:30

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Is. 7:14 What does Immanuel mean....GOD WITH US.

Greek Olive-

God said man and woman would be one flesh once married. That does not state how God exists though. God does not bind himself to the rules he set for man. God said in Ex. 3:14 that His name is I AM. Jesus shows up 2000 years later in Jn. 8:58 and says that He is I AM. The jews though he was a liar and blasphemer and crucified Him. But maybe He was actually that...God in flesh. There were times it leaked out..mount of transfiguration, walking on water, 2 fishes five loaves, the temptation of Jesus by satan, that fact He rose from the dead three days later. Those are miracles only God can do and 1 Tim. 3:16, Jn . 1:14, Phil. 2:9, Gal. 4:4-5 all state. Not to mention all the reference to Father and Holy Spirit but yet there is only One God.

Fuzzy

2008-09-24 20:46:03 UTC

What is taught? : (KJV)

Apostle Peter:

Acts 315And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

4:10, . . by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

(Who is the God of our fathers to the Jews here? Jehovah / Jesus?!)

5:30, The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree

Jesus - God's servant (ASV)

3:13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.

10:40, Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, (ASV)

Apostle Paul:

13:30, 37, But God raised him from the dead:

37But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.

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Rom 4:24, 24but for our sake also, unto whom it shall be reckoned,

who believe on him that raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

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8:11, But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you

8:34, . . .It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God,

How to be saved:

10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord,

and shalt

believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:

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If you don't believe this, you cannot be saved it says! Good rock!

I could continue finding similar scriptures for a long time. But the above demonstrates what is taught. Do you believe the scriptures?

In Isaiah 53:12, we are told that the soul of Jesus died when he died. Do you disagree with the inspired word?

Lover of Jehovah

2008-09-24 20:09:23 UTC

Contact me and I will help you. I love to discuss the trinity. I will be able to give you many verses, as well as questions that will make them think. When I say many, I mean many, it would take too much space to post it all. The trinity is my favorite subject. Quite easily disproved.

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2008-09-24 20:35:32 UTC

According to God’s Law, Israelites are required to make animal sacrifices. So, for their convenience, merchants in Jerusalem sell animals or birds for this purpose. But they are selling right inside the temple, and they are cheating the people by charging them too much.

Filled with indignation, Jesus makes a whip of ropes and drives the sellers out. He pours out the coins of the money changers and overturns their tables. “Take these things away from here!” he cries out to those selling the doves. “Stop making the house of my Father a house of merchandise!”

When Jesus’ disciples see this, they remember the prophecy about God’s Son: “The zeal for your house will eat me up.” *But the Jews ask: “What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things?” Jesus answers: “Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

The Jews assume that Jesus is talking about the literal temple, and so they ask: “This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?” However, Jesus is talking about the temple of his body. And three years later, his disciples remember this saying of his when he is raised from the dead. John 2:12-22; Matthew 13:55; Luke 4:23.

*Psalms 69:9 fulfills this scripture: For sheer zeal for your house has eaten me up, And the very reproaches of those reproaching you have fallen upon me.

(John 10:17-18) This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. 18Â No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative. I have authority to surrender it, and I have authority to receive it again. The commandment on this I received from my Father.”

Jesus disclosed that he was to die in order to bring about man’s salvation. His death, however, was due, not to weakness on his part in the face of his enemies, but rather to his acceptance of the divine will. (Hebrews 10:7) Jesus said: “This is why the Father loves me, because I surrender my soul, in order that I may receive it again. No man has taken it away from me, but I surrender it of my own initiative.”—John 10:17, 18.

Matthew1:23 15 Here is good news for anyone fearing that the invaders will put an end to the Davidic line of kings. “Immanuel” means “With Us Is God.” God is with Judah and will not allow his covenant with David to be nullified. In addition, Ahaz and his people are told not only what Jehovah will do but also when he will do it. Before the boy Immanuel is old enough to distinguish between good and bad, the enemy nations will be destroyed. And this proves true!

16 The Bible does not reveal whose child Immanuel is. But since the young Immanuel is to serve as a sign and Isaiah later states that he and his children “are as signs,” Immanuel may be a son of the prophet. (Isaiah 8:18) Perhaps Jehovah leaves the identity of Immanuel in Ahaz’ day uncertain so as not to distract later generations from the Greater Immanuel. Who is that?

17 Outside of the book of Isaiah, the name Immanuel occurs only once in the Bible, at Matthew 1:23. Jehovah inspired Matthew to apply the prophecy of Immanuel’s birth to the birth of Jesus, the rightful Heir to the throne of David. (Matthew 1:18-23) The birth of the first Immanuel was a sign that God had not forsaken the house of David. Likewise, the birth of Jesus, the Greater Immanuel, was a sign that God had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant with David’s house. (Luke 1:31-33) With Jehovah’s chief representative now among mankind, Matthew could truly say, ‘With us is God.’ Today, Jesus rules as heavenly King and is with his congregation on earth. (Matthew 28:20) Surely, God’s people have added reason to cry out boldly: “With us is God!”

Those who are honest, humble and hungry will be found by God to learn understanding and insight if you pray for knowledge and have these qualities God will teach you to benefit yourself. If you are seriously trying to disprove them get out your bible as it is sharper than any two edged sword, it cuts to the heart of a matter and is able to discern motives . If you need further scriptures you can find alot about the trinity at the watchtower.org web site its full of bible topics including the trinity in depth. www.watchtower.org, also the bible teach book is available on mp3 zip files at jw.org

2008-09-24 20:07:11 UTC

all those verses prove that Jesus is God. also john 10:30 says "I and my Father are one." who can argue with that? there arent any verses that contradict that Jesus is God. There are some that may be confusing to some people. but Jesus is God wrapped in flesh. 1 timothey 3:16 says that God appreared in a body. (jesus' body). stay strong in your faith!! God bless you! Thank you for spreading the truth :)

Tears of Oberon (Pack of One)

2008-09-24 20:54:33 UTC

I normally do not give out my personal favorites list; however, considering that you already have the book, I will give them to you in case you want to dig deeper. You may find ALL of the answers you seek here:

http://jehovah.to/exe/general/index.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205094429/hector3000.future.easyspace.com/index.htm

http://jehovah.to/xlation/index.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20071218010255/mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/newworldtranslation/home.htm

http://nwtandcoptic.blogspot.com/

http://www.scripturaltruths.com/

http://www.thirdwitness.com/

http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/john11.htm

And as for your actual question, the answer can be found in the 6/1 1973 Watchtower pp. 350-352:

"Does not John 2:19 indicate that Jesus would resurrect himself?—U.S.A.

As evident from the context, John 2:19 pertains to the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. We read: “Jesus said to them: ‘Break down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’ Therefore the Jews said: ‘This temple was built in forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?’ But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said:”—John 2:19-22.

It should be noted that, in telling about the fulfillment of Jesus’ statement, the Bible does not say ‘he raised himself up from the dead,’ but “he was raised up from the dead.” Other scriptures clearly show that God was the One who resurrected his Son. The apostle Peter told Cornelius and his relatives and close friends: “God raised this One up on the third day.” (Acts 10:40) Hebrews 13:20 speaks of God as the One “who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep with the blood of an everlasting covenant, our Lord Jesus.” And, in his letter to the Romans, the apostle Paul wrote: “If, now, the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.” (Rom. 8:11) Accordingly, Jesus Christ simply could not have meant that he would raise himself up from the dead.

Jesus, however, did know that he was going to die and be resurrected. On another occasion he told unbelieving scribes and Pharisees: “A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.” (Matt. 12:39, 40) Having this advance knowledge about his death and resurrection, Jesus, in a predictive sense, could speak of ‘raising up the temple of his body.’ Since he foretold it, it was just as if he was going to do it. This might be illustrated with Ezekiel 43:3, where the prophet Ezekiel states: “I came to bring the city [Jerusalem] to ruin,” that is, by foretelling its destruction. Ezekiel as an exile in Babylon had no part in actually destroying Jerusalem; that was done by the Babylonians. But his prophecy, being divinely inspired, made it as good as done. (Compare also Jeremiah 1:10.) Similarly, Jehovah God resurrected his Son, but Jesus could speak of doing so in a prophetic sense.

Moreover, God’s will, charge or command respecting his Son was that he die and be restored to life. Jesus willingly surrendered his life in harmony with his Father’s purpose. Jesus could therefore raise up the temple of his body in the sense that he had the authority to receive life again.

On the third day God commanded Jesus to rise from the dead, and he did so by accepting or receiving life at his Father’s hand, by God’s authority. Along with life as a spirit Son, he received the right to perfect human life that, by dying in full innocence, he had not forfeited. This merit of his human sacrifice he thereafter presented to his Father in heaven. (Heb. 9:11-14, 24-28) This is in agreement with Jesus’ words at John 10:17, 18: “The Father loves me because I lay down my life, to receive it back again. No one has robbed me of it; I am laying it down of my own free will. I have the right to lay it down, and I have the right to receive it back again; this charge I have received from my Father.”—New English Bible."

Nina, BaC

2008-09-24 20:00:48 UTC

All Christians believe in Trinity

ronbo

2008-09-24 20:02:40 UTC

no argument here lord jesus christ is GOD in the flesh. he forgave sin. only GOD can forgive sin.thus jesus is GOD.