Evolutionists, what do you think is more likely?

Question

You say there is no GOD and only the physical exists, so I will use a physical example to ask my question.

If you say a building would you think....
1) It had always been there, exactly like it is now?
2) It was formed by random chance, all the bricks, wire, cloth, glass, and everything else just fell into the right place?
3) Someone built it?

I'm sure you will say that a building in not alive, and you would be right,
but this is not about human "evolution", it is about the universe.
Planets, solar systems, and galaxies are not alive, and they are more complex then any building, so if they can form, or can be eternal, then why can't the building?

Yes, I asked this in the science category to...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Agr0zrDPai8Rl7S3dBeB2Z_sy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20090417155553AA5XIjB

Answer 1

With respect, that argument is not logical.



It falls under a category of flawed logic called “Special Pleading”. It is a fallacy in which a person applies standards, principles, rules, etc. to others while making himself exempt.



You argue that everything must have been made and could not merely pop into existence from nothing. But you take an exemption in your argument in implyiing that God could have made it pop into existence from nothing.



You take a second exemption in that you say God himself was always there without being created.



Logic is not difficult to understand. A little research into it will yield large rewards in your discussions.

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Answer 2

> "You say there is no GOD and only the physical exists"



Actually, most evolutionists are also theists, and don't say that. Even atheists acknowledge non-physical things like time and space.



> "If you say [sic] a building would you think...."



I'd think someone built it, because I know how people build buildings and I don't know how buildings could be produced without people.



> "but this is not about human "evolution", it is about the universe."



Then that's one more reason not to be directing the question to "evolutionists".



> "Planets, solar systems, and galaxies are not alive, and they are more complex then any building, so if they can form, or can be eternal, then why can't the building?"



Are you really trying to argue that because a star is produced without people then a building must also be produced without people? For that argument to work we'd have to have some sort of indication that buildings form in a similar manner to stars. Do you?

Answer 3

Oh dear. I'm sorry you're actually comparing a building to evolution. Look, you're over-simplifying things.

Also: "You say there is no God..." Nice assumption. I happen to know dozens of people who believe in God and also know that science is remarkable. Hmm.

Anyway, about evolution. Pick an animal. History shows that animal EVOLVED from more primitive life forms, and if you go back far enough, all living things were once underwater. You want proof? Ask any geologist. Even a geologist who's a "believer." They'll tell you that Earth was underwater.

Nature is constantly changing (very slowly). 1 billion years from now, things will be extremely different.



P.S. I'm not athiest. So don't assume I don't believe in God. I just have some facts up my sleeve.

Answer 4

No, the building was built by people.



Someone built it with that stuff. It wasn't random chance, someone thought about it and it worked. There was probably a lot of trial and error for the first building ever made.



Because the building was created by man. The Bing Bang Theory created the Universe. Things collide and form, like mountains for example. When the tectonic plates collide, mountains can form and earthquakes can start. The tectonic plates are not alive, but yet, they can create other things too.



If there wasn't intelligent life, like humans, the building wouldn't exist.

However, the mountains and earthquakes will be here and still happen.

Answer 5

I'm not quite sure what an "evolutionist" is, you seem to be elevating a scientific theory to the status of a religion.



Unlike religion, science, and its theories, do not claim to have the ultimate source of knowledge straight from the source, as it were. Scientific theories and "facts" (fact in the scientific sense rather than common usage) change in light of new evidence (of course this isn't always the case, because peoples careers, egos and money sometimes gets in the way but that is an imperfection of people, not science).



Unlike, religion, science is not a system of worship and in fact in the purely scientific sense can neither prove nor disprove the existence of divinity. Many scientists are in fact religious. That may be why they do not insist that priests, priestesses and shaman teach science alongside their rituals. Unlike professional christians and their followers who would have Scientists teach mythology in a science class.



Your question merely dodges the issue. Presumably you liken complex organisms as being too complex to be accidental therefore they were designed. OK. But that is not evidence of Divinity. The next obvious question is where did the designer come from? Which is essentially the same question we started with.



Speaking objectively, The theory of evolution is the absurd notion that mankind evolved from monkeys. Creationism is the absurd notion that mankind evolved from dirt.



A pox on both your houses!

Answer 6

The building was formed by 3, the universe by 2.

Answer 7

Um, you may or may not have noticed it, gravity that is. I know it's only a theory, but it does explain how galaxies, stars and planets form. And fusion in dying stars and super novas does a pretty good job of explaining the different elements. And you do know that the basic matter, hydrogen, helium and a little lithium condensed out of the energy of initial inflation of the universe. I think that is pretty well documented and proved by E=MC2 and all that. Stars and galaxies and being born and dying now. It was not just a one off event, we can actually see it happen. Go to the Hubble page and see it for yourself. Don't tell me, Satan controls Hubble.

Answer 8

Honey, planets form naturally but not by evolution. Please go at once to the library and educate yourself. Planets have not been as they are now for all time.







Meanwhile, we call it a "building" because we built it. You analogy fails miserably. If you even attempted to understand the natural phenomenon you attempt vainly to refute I might try to take you seriously.



EDIT: Are you suggesting that when one sees a building one should assume a magical creature put it there all in one piece and now holds sway over it?



Because that is what you are suggesting is true of the universe. If you would not believe that of a simple building, why would you assume it of the universe?

Answer 9

Someone built it.



Planets, solar systems and galaxies, on the other hand were formed randomly, not by design. Their development and formation merely follows the physical properties of their elements.



For example, a star is very big so naturally its gravity will compress the very atoms, thereby creating a nuclear reaction. Bricks will not naturally re-arrange themselves into a wall.

Answer 10

In case you didn't notice, celestial bodies (planets, stars, etc) aren't complex arrangments of matter, they look more or less thrown together, which fits with the theory that they coalesced from debris that collects in the accretion disc around a planet, star, galactic centre, etc.



The formation of celestial bodies is far beyond the scope of any theory of biology though. Perhaps you should be addressing cosmologists and not biologists here.

Answer 11

I don't believe in evolution either; and yes the answer is number 3. However...



If you ask an evolutionist this question it WILL put them on the defense.



My experience has taught me that people do not change their beliefs from evolution to creation because of compelling arguments or evidence but rather a change of heart. The only way to convince people is in a gentle and loving manner. I'm not criticizing you btw. It's a valid argument.

Answer 12

Evolutionists as you incorrectly call them have nothing to say about the existence of any supernatural beings. The subject deals exclusively with the development of species over time. It is an observed phenomena which is explained by the theory of evolution.



Neither does it have anything to do with how life came into being.



So stop trying to spread lies and confusion. We are far too intelligent to fall for your silly tricks.

Answer 13

When you compare the orderliness of a building of brick or stone to the chaos of the universe, your analogy utterly falls apart. This universe is the result of the rapid expansion of a primordial singularity and it is a crazy, dangerous place. Once you start looking into the math that describes a black hole, you get into the inescapable chaotic nature of the universe. It wasn't designed, it just happened.

Answer 14

Listen to the science it points to evolution. Do you think everything just randomly poofs into existence. No they evolve! Get off your high horse put the facts in front of your beliefs and trust me you will see the science wont lie.

Why believe an idea over actual FACTS?

Answer 15

The universe didn't evolve... and really the universe is much simpler than a building. A building must be measured, wired for electricity and plumbing, set up for air conditioning etc.



The universe is just masses of matter held together by gravity.

Answer 16

This is probably the best argument for the existence of a Higher Power I have seen. God may exist in some form but I guess he/she doesn't take much interest in the creation as we do what can to screw it up without interference from anything 'outside'

Answer 17

your example is more against creationism than evolution



Don't you know how evolution works?



Have you ever seen a cave? That's not so different than a building. Everything in the universe came together the way it did. If it was different, that would be just as normal to you because it'd be how you were used to it.

Answer 18

Consider this



Mysteries In Science

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5725394906886443944&ei=QHDFSeLrD47I-gG6m6z1Bw&q=fingerprints+of+creation&hl=en



The Young Age of the Earth

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/faith_and_spirituality/watch/v142573852wTf25Nx#



The Origin of Man by Dr. Duane Gish

http://www.strimoo.com/video/14877425/The-Origin-of-Man-by-Dr-Duane-Gish-Veoh.html



Skull Fossils - As Empty as the Evolutionary Theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yu5jN897kM



Neanderthals - Smarter Than We Thought

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxL636n3w2o



Creation In The 21st Century - Our Young Moon 1 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3jtYx7NMk



The "Dark Cloud" of the Big Bang

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8903287973124207940&ei=znTFScGOApzE-gHD6IHBCg&q=Dr+Robert+gentry&hl=en



Why do creationists feel sorry for delusionists?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d4b_1214585502



Today's World Population Debunks Evolution- Dr. Carl Baugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWxqzNM76jE



Creation In The 21st Century -- Noah's Ark and Jesus 1 of 3 (Parallel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQg67H4GK1o

Cardboard Testimony’s

Answer 19

God sustains all



The heavens declare the glory of God,

and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Day to day pours out speech,

and night to night reveals knowledge.

There is no speech, nor are there words,

whose voice is not heard. - Psalm 19:1-3

Answer 20

i just love this answer they gave



"wrong section, buddy. seems like a question that should be in the R and S section. in response to your question, it's ridiculouss to draw a comparison between people building a building and God building the universe."



and i have to agree

Answer 21

your god must be even MORE complex than the universe, because after all only a being so incredibly complex can create a whole universe that is also incredibly complex, so by your logic i ask this what or who made your god?

Answer 22

I say it has a maker,the same maker that I love and trust,my maker Jesus.Praise be to him,and glory,honor,and power.You can't see the wind,but you can feel it and even see what it does,although some day we will see God,right now we can feel him and even see what he does.

Answer 23

Good argument. I think that St. Thomas Acquinas also referred to this type of argument as evidence for God's existence.



It's just like a bench. A bench doesn't just self assemble. It requires tools, objects, and most importantly, a creator.

Answer 24

Go learn about evolution, take a class, don't spew your ignorance, it doesn't impress anyone.

Answer 25

Argument from analogy. Very Hume of you.

Answer 26

My dog looks at that and none of those choices cross its mind.



Could it be hmmmm, that is a meaningless question?

Answer 27

Buildings aren't alive. Guess you missed the difference in what...kindergarten?

Answer 28

David was right when he said: "The nescious said in his heart: there's no God".

Answer 29

You fail. Your ignorance doesn't even deserve a proper answer.

Answer 30

You're hurting yourself and society by continuing to deny the facts of evolution.

Answer 31

Someone built it.

There would be evidence of such.

Answer 32

I am against Evolution. I am a Christian. If you would like to join a Christian Chat website, go to http://www.godsservent101.webs.com/mychat.htm

Answer 33

buildings are not alive. there DIFFERENT from animals and humans. what are you 6?

Answer 34

I have that avatar too:)



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