Since this is true, why do people still laugh at creationists?

Question

A) Look how ridiculous this statement is: "We all know complex systems are not created! I dug this computer up out of the ground, where random chance over millions of years created it!"

B) If someone shows you a mansion and you ask that person who built that mansion and the person tells you it has not been built, but he found it there by mistake and it has appeared by chance in the same way you believe animals and plants appeared, would you believe that person?
Wouldn't you think the person is insane? Same we believe about evolutionists. They are not sane!
Plants, animals, people can't appear by themselves!

Answer 1

Actually, God (having life - life only comes from life) is beyond & possesses the/any universal vibration with infinite energy. Ev (omits essential element, intelligence) cant b proved. Actual facts/speculation must b separated. Actual transition fossils dont exist. Either cells r incredible geniuses or Ev didnt happen but many will do anything 2 keep God out of it. The crux of the problem is many (having limited knowledge) try 2 know what God did by imposing human limitations 4 understanding things 2 God's power/abilities. Only 1 God can occupy infinity & that God is the God of Israel (no other legit gods exist) - only fully provable b/c Jesus is the true Son of God. Huge holes in Ev also call in2 ? the BB/abiogenesis (laws of probability says there'd hv 2 b a 95-99% failure rate 4 most changes = no Ev). Evidence 4 God/Jesus/Bible:



Many scientific finds r true - doesnt mean "all" claims r true (many dont take time/energy 2 carefully think thru things b4 making a claim). Many dont take in2 account all it takes 2 create a universe/life (they tend 2 focus on things "seeming" 2 support what they want 2/u 2 believe).



In science we established laws of physics. We can't see laws of physics. Rather, we see the results/interpret/apply them in accordance with whats observed 2 b true by experiments/calculations. Same is true 4 God - b/c we can't see God doesn't mean He doesnt exist.



Theres real evidence 4 some micro-adaptation/some appearance of macro-Ev but most is inconclusive @ best/pure conjecture @ worst. Finding the beginning/reason 4 it all is unattainable by scientific method alone (billions of yrs old cold case). We didnt see it take place.



Things in Creation show the universe/we wouldnt b here w/o an Intelligent Designer (ignoring how it came 2 b) such as:



1. We hv 2 lungs/2 kidneys/2 eyes - each has a NEAR PERFECT MIRROR-IMAGE companion organ (not a copy). It CANT B explained away. Making a mirror-image organ takes FULL reverse engineering/knowledge/understanding of its companion's functions/purpose or it cant b created (2 WITNESSES in nature).



2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other - impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full knowledge of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).



3. We hv 2 arms/2 legs. Each is perfectly designed/precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the purpose/functions of the organism, 2 create it 2 such perfection.



4. The "being" of a cell is confined 2 within the cell membrane & cant know much beyond itself. A cell is magnitudes more intelligent than all humanity & has amazing powers 2 know all of an organism's functions/purpose or it isnt the "brain" behind Creation 4 many millions of incredibly diverse species. If Ev had a chance of being the source of Creation only 2 or 3 "kinds" of basic bodies with some related species would exist (would take billions of trillions of yrs longer than the universe has existed 2 hv the slightest chance of producing many millions of incredibly diverse species).



5. Many cells of an organism never contact others much beyond its tiny cell. Cells/organisms r just copies of their parents doing about the same things as all ancestors. U wont find a bird who builds a better nest than their parents & their chicks build even a better nest. U wont find a bear improving living conditions passed on 2 his young. Either a cell has 2 lives - 1 copying its parents & 1 secret life working on improvements or some1 of higher intelligence than all mankind created it all.



6. Others point 2 DNA (RNA in the 1rst organisms). But a cell needs DNA 2 function & DNA cant function w/o a cell. So, we hv a which came 1rst a cell or DNA problem. W/o 1rst having great intelligence/full knowledge/understanding of how an organism is constructed it cant b created. If an ape finds a combination lock he wouldnt know what it was. Even if he turns the dial over & over again he wouldnt know what he was doing (chances against getting it right is astronomical - especially if it had 150 or more no. 2 find in the right order). Even if he got that far he still wouldnt know what a lock is 4.



A cell has little "intelligence" & DNA is way more complex than a combination lock (especially in higher life forms) so the odds against figuring out & using DNA (in the correct sequence) is many magnitudes higher than 4 a lock). RNA/DNA r building blocks common 2 all life - having 98% of other species' DNA doesnt prove Ev. DNA like a computer code (but way more complex) requires great intelligence 2 identify & assign its proper order - its useless unless u understand it. Give a book 2 an ape. Its useless 2 him as he cant learn from whats written - intelligence is required.



7. In the fossil record we dont find millions of trial & error organisms that should exist if natural selection or fittest survivor is the source of Creation (NO organisms existed b4). The odds r so great against near perfection happening 4 many millions of greatly diverse species, it couldnt take place unless 1 had full knowledge/understanding of what theyre doing B4 millions of organisms could b created 2 such precision. If not true millions of misfit organisms with mistakes, having only 1 or 3 eyes in odd places, 1 leg growing out of a head or where an arm/fin should b or a fin where a leg should b should exist. Millions more misfit fossils should exist than of the perfection found in nature.



8. U won't find species like a horse/goat mating, a frog/fish mating, a rabbit/dog mating, a lizard/bird mating, a cow/hog mating, etc. Species with similar genes/characteristics rarely mate in the wild. Only a few succeed @ bearing young. Its very rare that a wild crossbreed/hybrid reaches maturity or can bear over 1 litter (usually that litter cant produce or has complications that kills it off). Only human "intelligence" intervention brings more success but even that has lead 2 some bad results.



9. Ev processes being "the" source of Creation is like having a blind man build a car he's never heard of/seen/touched/heard or rode in. It cant b done w/o 1rst teaching him about the functions/necessary parts & how 2 put it 2gether 4 the car 2 function.



10. Look @ the huge amount of intelligence/knowledge/understanding, time & energy used 2 create/improve an airplane's capabilities (& many mistakes). If ppl didnt fully learn what 2 do we'd still b earthbound.



11. Creation is astronomically more complex than an airplane. The more complex an organism, the greater the amount of intelligence/knowledge/understanding needed 2 create it. It can only b done by an Intelligent Designer who already fully understands what He's doing - the sheer complexity of man is evidence of God (airplanes show we're created in God's image - God had 2 b the source of all Creation or it couldnt exist let alone evolve).



12. An incredibly Intelligent Being, capable of building a universe, knows the environment His earthly organisms r 2 occupy. So, He built in adaptability so His organisms could survive various environments.



13. Earth happens 2 b in the best possible orbit 2 support life. It has the right amount of gravity/right axis & rotation speed/right atmosphere (& ozone layer/Van Allen belt/magnetic field) & needed amount of water. The moon's the right size in the right orbit 2 provide tidal cycles needed by organisms. Just 1 or 2 relatively small variants in our orbit/environment & most likely life would b very different & higher forms of life wouldve died off in a relatively short time, if they couldve survived.

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Problem is theres many religions, built on what man wants God 2 b like. I realized they cant all b right (Theres 1 Bible - why so many interpretations? II Pet 1:**19-21). Religion wont teach u much about God (they cant teach what they don't know) but God knows what He's doing. Who knows more about a house, the Builder or those moving in later?



Many miss this: Jesus is the only 1 in history who said He's "the" way, "the" truth & "the" life & no 1 gets 2 God w/o Him (Jn 14:6; 5:39; 10:1,7; Acts 4:12) & is the only 1 who came from God. Its fully true or theres no truth & cant b any God (He knows what He's doing or He cant b God). Either Jesus told the whole truth or He's a false prophet, among many, who should b disregarded.



Since Jesus is the only way 2 know God, "the" whole truth was complete/finished thru Jesus. So any claimed new/other teachings or from self-proclaimed prophets/teachers r invalid & wont lead u 2 God. God always knew all Jesus was 2 do.



Jesus couldnt hv done/said whats written in the NT unless He fully knew the entire OT (NT didnt exist while Jesus was on earth). Jesus couldnt hv known the entire OT unless God was with Him. The Apostles couldnt write the NT unless Jesus allowed them 2 remember/know why He was here (Lk 24:25-27,45) - Only God could cause it.



Whoever seeks Jesus Christ with all his heart & soul will find God/His Kingdom (u shall know the truth & it'll set u free). U can lead a horse 2 water but u cant make it drink. Why should God want u 2 live with Him 4ever if u dont want 2 know Him His way (reason 4 free will - Jn 1:12-13)? The truth of God remains 4ever unchanged while things of a man dies with him, including his religions/gods made in his image.



God hates us b/c of our sins - neither being a good person as judged by men or religion can save u. But God also loves us dearly enough 2 send His Son 2 die for our sins - so that thru Jesus our sins could b 4given if we sincerely turn 2 Him - Theres eternal hope only in Jesus & His Bible.



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Answer 2

What appalling nonsense, but sadly it is nothing new.



Computers and houses can't reproduce don't grow and have no genetics. Your analogy fails as it has so many thousands of times before, ever since Paley's "blind watchmaker".



DNA is not more complex than a computer. It consists of deoxyribose which is a simple sugar, a phosphate group and one of four heterocyclic bases. It is readily manipulated by well known chemical processes including the di-deoxy chain termination analysis and the polymerase chain reaction. Both of these have been in use more than 20 years. Do try to keep up.



DNA's cousin, RNA readily forms polymers on the surface of clay crystals. There are a dozen known forms of these RNA polymers capable of self catalysis and self assembly. There are a mere 50 nucleotides in a typical "hammerhead" ribozyme. This has been known for about 20 years. It isn't life, but it is self organising. Do try to keep up.



Organisms don't evolve, populations of organisms evolve over multiple lifetimes. This is the core of the definition of biological evolution and has been for 75 years. Do try to keep up. This creationist assertion that individual organisms evolve is false, as it has been the thousands of times it has been used before. Repeating it will not make it true.



Vibration? Infinite? Energy? Do you have the faintest idea of what these terms actually mean?



You say God does not need a creator because he / she /it is a universal vibration with infinite energy. Sorry, there is no connection and the second idea does not follow from the first. You may as well say a leaf is not heavy because it's green. That is a logical fallacy.



his is a logical fallacy atheist use

"Essentially all complexity in nature arises spontaneously. "

There isn't any evidence for this claim.



Even if it was not true that complexity cannot arise spontaneously, that would not make the contrary assertion a logical fallacy, it would make it a factual fallacy. Time to forget about your version of "logic" and start looking at the facts. One third fill a container with red marbles, then the next third with white. Take a look. Now put the lid on and shake it. Which is more complex? The simple, separate layers of red and white marbles or the mixture after shaking? .

Answer 3

A: Look how ridiculous this saying is: "A non-living computer is exactly the same as a living and reproducing organism! Mice are like tiny computers that are built by god and certainly can't reproduce themselves, and every one is exactly the same"



B: We're not talking about a mansion, we're talking about more along the lines of crystals or a cave. It might appear ordered, but nature produces this appearance via understood and explainable mechanisms. Again, you are comparing unnatural constructs to reproducing, living, organisms, and that is just silly.\



To sum it up: Its blatant misunderstandings about what can happen naturally and irrational comparisons between living organisms and artificial constructs that make people laugh at creationists.



Edit: "Creationists believe an organism cannot adapt to the environment if it is not guided by thinking; since an organism cannot think, there must be a Lord of everything which makes organisms adapt"



Again, you have no concept of what natural selection is. Organisms don't THINK about adapting, the ones that aren't as well suited don't reproduce, those that are well suited produce offspring. Rinse and repeat. Basic genetics makes it obvious what will eventually happen.



Edit: "God is a universal vibration with infinite energy. That's why God doesn't need a creator. Can a vibration of infinite energy be created? No. It must exist from eternity in order to exist"



Provide evidence in favor of this. And if god can exist forever, why can't the universe (As matter is just a state of energy) have existed in some form or another forever instead? Why add another, totally unobserved, much more needlessly complex portion to the equation?



Edit:"This is a logical fallacy atheist use

"Essentially all complexity in nature arises spontaneously. "

There isn't any evidence for this claim"



Man the fallacies and reasons for laughter just don't stop do they? Are you seriously equating people who believe in evolution with atheists? Not everyone who believes in evolution is an atheist, nor does everyone who is an atheist believe in evolution.



Aside from that, there is no order, we are heading towards chaos. All order is perceived subjectively by the human mind and nothing else.

Answer 4

1) Their is no evidence supporting creationism.One flaw in the (il)logic that creationists use is that everything must have a creator. If everything must have a creator, the creator being an infinitely more complex being, must need a creator as well. If something as complex as a creator does not need a creator then neither does the things he supposedly created. This last statement is a logical assumption.



2) Their is no evidence of creation or a creator. Creation is, at this point, barely an idea. Creation conflicts with evolution both on the cosmic level and here on earth. See: #3 and 4



3) Evolution on the cosmic level is observable. By looking into space you are also looking into history. You can see the life cycle of everything from planetary bodies to galaxies.



4) Evolution on earth is an observed fact. It is supported by mounds of evidence across AT LEAST( that i can think of) 1/2 a dozen different science fields. The theory of evolution explains why evolution happens. That is what scientific theories do, they explain the "why" of observed facts or laws. Their is no such thing as an evolutionist. Their are those of us who live in reality and those who don't. Evolution resides in reality.



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"The organic DNA molecule is even more complex than a computer! So how can you believe that it appeared by mistake"

- Our DNA is quite a bit more complex than that of a much simplier organism. Just because you deem something complex by your understanding doesn't make it impossible. If someone from even 200 years ago were to observe and learn about our medicine, it would seem complex. Someone from 2000 years ago would not be able to even comprehend it.





"Creationists believe an organism cannot adapt to the environment if it is not guided by thinking; since an organism cannot think, there must be a Lord of everything which makes organisms adapt"

- WOW! So by this statement, if i think i want fly i will evolve and grow wings and be able to fly. Creationist fail by using the irrational thinking that if you have "A" and "B" and if you can prove "A" wrong then "B" wins by default. Organisms do not evolve by someone thinking. That is ridiculous.



"God is a universal vibration with infinite energy. That's why God doesn't need a creator. Can a vibration of infinite energy be created? No. It must exist from eternity in order to exist"

- You religious/creation people sure do know a lot about god, yet you cannot back up one single claim. In fact you have 0 evidence for ANY of your claims about god. Making something up does not make it true, NEXT.





"This is a logical fallacy atheist use

"Essentially all complexity in nature arises spontaneously. "

There isn't any evidence for this claim"

- Which atheist? I do not say or claim that.You should learn something about chemistry and biochemistry. If you did you would see over a period of 500 million years, the amount of chemical reactions that took place could of easily led to more complicated chemical reactions until they became self replicating. You fail to understand how simple the first self replicating chemical reactions( organisms) were. They were extremely simple even by today's standard of single celled organisms.First self replicating organisms are to today's single celled organisms what DOS 1.0 is to Windows 7.

Answer 5

I hope you don't think that is a cognizant argument for creationism or against evolution.



Whenever Creationists make analogies, they only further reveal their profound ignorance and intellectual shortcomings.



Evoultion doesn't say that complex organisms poofed into existence; that's creationism.



This question right here is why; it's so focking easy.



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The first life was a very simple self-replicating polymer, there were no complex molecules, proteins, or lipids. They evolved to be more efficient and more complex over time.



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There is no thinking involved, the environment decides over a period of time what organisms will pass on their traits based on which organisms survive.



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Special pleading. You just stated something existed without a cause. If it is causeless it is without of our logic and no words from our lexicon can be used to describe it. That means you can't say that it is "infinite" or "vibrating" or "existent" or "nonexistent". That creates quite the quagmire, wouldn't you say?



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"Essentially all complexity in nature arises spontaneously. "

There isn't any evidence for this claim>>



You might want to brush up on your fallacies.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030508075843.htm

Answer 6

If oil, a simple hydrocarbon which can form easily, is floating on seawater and gets stirred up, it will form globules containing water, like margarine or butter. Is it beyond the realms of belief that chemical reactions taking place in the isolated interiors of these globules, which incidentally divide spontaneously, would be able to sustain and replicate themselves, and that increased efficiency in that replication would be preferred? That's all you need to start from, or something similarly primitive and simple.



To be honest, i don't understand how someone can look at a gorilla and not be struck by the similarity with themselves, and deduce from that that we're related, just as you look like a sibling or cousin. What's the problem?

Answer 7

As a theist what I laugh at is the attempt to ignore the overwhelming evidence for evolution.



But a knowledge of the evolutionary mechanism does not make it any more likely that such a fabulously complex organism could have arisen by chance. Even a single eukaryotic cell is as complicated as a small city.

Answer 8

Creationists, who don't understand science, say silly things like 'Scientists say it happened by random chance'. No evolutionary biologist says that. Evolutionary biologists understand that Natural Selection drives evolution, not chance.

Creationists are very laughable. They are so out of touch and scientifically illiterate.

Answer 9

You don't seem to grasp the basic foundational elements upon which evolutionary theories work.



Evolutionary theory says zilch about how life began, but rather how species' characteristics and traits CHANGE via the extended process of natural selection.



Suggest you familiarize yourself with something before you try launching attacks against it.



Take about sane, your logic here is identical to the the argument that posits banning guns would automatically eliminate crime.



Fallacy of linking unrelated items, i.e. a Non sequitor (it does NOT follow.)

Answer 10

You lost me in your wording... What is your point exactly? Something about a computer and mansion growing in the ground?



Things don't happen by chance, and the fact that you actually believe everything revolves around there being a lord of something makes me laugh.



I believe in evolution and i am very sane. More sane then you, it seems

Answer 11

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Answer 12

The evolution vs creation debate would never end, because creation was a spiritual process that science tries to explain as a materialistic mechanistic process. The search for scientific explanation is futile, just as searching for a black cat in dark room that isn't there. Its a hopeless situation, the evolutionists would still laugh at the creationists as ignorant and obscurantists despite the fact the majority of human beings don't buy their scientific sounding myth.

Answer 13

You don't understand how evolution works.



First of all, computers and mansions are not alive. They can't reproduce without outside assistance; and computers that don't work very well, or mansions that leak, don't die without outside assistance.



And there is more to evolution that random chance. Random chance produces variations, so offspring are not exact clones of their parents. This means that they have different abilities from one another, which in turn affects their chances of survival in a given situation. There is a distictly non-random element to infant mortality.

Answer 14

facepalm. you got me.



edit: god as a vibration of energy, and not a magical, conscious being, i might buy.. but you're not talking about that. you're talking about a fairytale in which a man like spirit poofs the earth into existence and then creates man from dirt, women from mans rib, and then condems them to mortal life because ate fruit from a magical tree after being told to do so by a talking serpent. Now, that's a stretch!

Answer 15

I'm a Catholic student of science and logic, and the Pope accepted evolution years ago, as must anyone who knows the facts of biology. Only fundies who are ignorant in science and logic make such illogical arguments as this one you mindlessly copy, and all educated, intelligent, objective, logical people, both Christians and non-Christians, laugh at such inane drivel.

A) Look, if you can, at how ridiculous such an argument as this one really is.

B) If someone tells me such "balle" as this, I tell him his argument is badly illogical, because mansions and animals are not the same in any way.

I wonder about your sanity and IQ after hearing such drivel. You say the Pope and all educated Christians are insane, and that's defamatory. God uses evolution. Who are you to tell us how God operates, when you have not the most basic knowledge of biology or logic?

Answer 16

Study your science a little more, hon, before you try to argue creationism with the big people! Your argument seems to defeat itself, for real: A is correct, but B is ludicrous---nobody tries to say that plants. animals,and people appeared by themselves--they are the result of millions if not billions of years of cellular generation, repeated attempts by nature to develop organisms that would thrive on this planet. Do I see the hand of God In this? Get real!! IF there was a God, wouldn't he/she have just waved it's hand & ""POOF"" the world was created, intact, and human beings were all of a sudden alive & existing at their maximum potential? Why would we have so many atrocities, if there is in fact a loving God, tell me that? Why would He allow things like My Lai, or the Nazi death camps, or the extermination of all those thousands of people in Sudan, or China, or anywhere else in the world? Why if HE loves us so much, would he allow things like pedophilia & murder sprees & etc to take place, that hurt so deeply so many innocent people? Tell me that: what good does it do for any God to allow a 5-year-old girl to be raped by her older brother? Explain all of these atrocities to me, and then tell me how much your supposed God loves humanity? Get a grip, child! The only people who believe in a GOD are those who are not adult./strong/mature enough to handle life on it's own terms.

Answer 17

If you have these kind of issues with basic biology, you're likely to explode when the implications of our research into Quantum Physics become apparent.

Answer 18

Appearances can be deceiving, for some they are just plain confusing ie. YOU



PS. your question is why we STILL laugh at creationists.

Answer 19

Whether I believe in God or not, your argument is irrelevant. What you call "chance" is a human concept. Perhaps chance is something much more than we can imagine. Once the universe came into being, it is the nature of the universe to be what it is. This is no objective proof for God, but anyone who ponders it, might have their belief confirmed.

Answer 20

People created computers, mansions, etc. because they make our lives easier (a side effect of having a big brain).



People who think God created the Earth are not sane. Evolution created life over a long time, we didn't just 'pop-up'.



DNA didn't just appear by mistake, it evolved as well.

You've also forgotten about 'Survival of the Fittest'. Evolution is about adaptation for survival, we don't need to 'think' about it.

Answer 21

A- thats what creationists think evolution is, that it is sheer randomness, not natural selection

B- if you believe in creation that is exactly what you believe, that gods just appear by themselves and such. no elaborate realistic process there

Answer 22

Essentially all complexity in nature arises spontaneously. There are many well-understood processes that bring this about. Your assertions to the contrary are incorrect.

Answer 23

We laugh at creationists for remaining willfully ignorant about evolution, as your question so aptly illustrates.

Answer 24

A) Are you trying to compare hardware with LIFE? Last time I checked, my laptop isn't breathing...

B) I think you just proved yourself to be insane...Way to go, now you get a cookie. :D

Answer 25

Obviously, you have never been exposed to anything but the flimsy "arguments" of the creationists.



'Strawman' is the word for today kids.

Answer 26

The laughter comes from trying to give scientific proof about God...for & against... you're not gonna do it... so just give it up...

Answer 27

Your ignorance is showing.

Answer 28

Pfffft.



Because you are chronically misinformed.

Answer 29

To be honest, I think you have answered your own question.

Answer 30

Evolutionists actually believe that near infinite time frames and infinite universes will arrive at what we have today. Theri world view reduces everything down to what can be physically touched and handled and understood.

Answer 31

There is too much information encoded in the universe itself (natural laws, etc) for it to have appeared by chance. Einstein believed in a Creator for this reason. Though for some reason he detested organized religion, he was not silly enough to deny a Creator. In fact, he commented that there must be a Creator.



To answer you question-



Yes, atheists are insane. The Bible says they are "blind". Spiritual blindness is a form of insanity. It also says that they are "fools." The Hebrew word nabal (translated as "fool" in the King James Version) means "senseless". The existence of God is self evident, but they can't "see" it because they are blind.







Psa 14:1 The fool (nabal) hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

Answer 32

They are ignorant. The belief that the universe is created by chance is nonsensical in my eyes but makes perfect sense to others. I don't care whether you believe in God or not. Yet it seems like some people belittle those who believe in God just to make themselves feel more intelligent.

Answer 33

Lol, okay.