Why can't something come from nothing?

Question

Personally, this is what I think. If we suppose for a minute there was nothing, then there were no laws. No laws of physics. No laws of causation. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So, then nothing AND everything, both DID and DID NOT exist. This could be thought of as Plato's forms, from his Theory of Forms. Our reality comes logic (and, I think possibly what we perceive as, colors, and sounds, etc... also came from nothing), which (in simplistic terms) is one of the things which came from nothing. In reality, the words "came from" are not correct (because logic didn't "come from" anything, it just IS). But because this is such a difficult concept to convey, I had to start somewhere.

Religious people often get confused, and say, "Well if something can come from nothing, then why can't I just pull a rabbit out of empty space?" And, the answer is because LAWS already came out of nothing, and they prevent other things from coming out of nothing, for no reason. If you really think about it, SOMETHING must come from nothing, or nothing would ever change.

Our universe (and maybe other universes as well) are simply an intersection of logic, laws, energy, etc... all of which came from nothing.

Answer 1

This is an interesting viewpoint, although I am not sure if it is necessary: Suppose the starting point is that there has always been something and that there has never been nothing? Or rather, that something and nothing have always coexisted?

Answer 2

This is a point many miss or fail to understand in the discussion: You cannot necessarily apply the laws of our universe, INCLUDING cause and effect, to the conditions prior to the big bang where the laws of physics may have been wholly different--or even non-existent.



The laws may well have been such that our universe was likely, or even inevitable. For all we know, the laws may have fluctuated moment to moment, being fluid things. But since we don't know what conditions were before the Big Bang, we simply do not know that the same laws applied before it as have applied after and it is pure unsupported assumption to just assume they did.

Answer 3

Science explains the big bang was not from nothing but from a singularity that was all the matter and energy in the universe compressed into a single point that then expanded rapidly!



So it was always here!



But why are BAD christians always claiming the big bang came from nothing? Are they that ignorant? Did they sleep through school or is it that they know the truth but think they can twist it because everyone is gullible?!



it is up to them to try explaining where god got nothing from and how he is supposed to have then produced everything from nothing!

Answer 4

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Answer 5

The statement that "So, then nothing AND everything, both DID and DID NOT exist" needs some explanation, because it looks apparently contradictory . Nothing ( the vacuum of space ) always existed , because it is nothing ..Anything to come into existence or to exist always , need this nothing ( space - vacuum ) to exist in. But no things , no matter can be made out of this nothing . .So the existence of space - the nothingness, is a precondition for the existence of anything ..Every thing can exist in it ; but nothing can create it (space ) as it is nothing .Neither can nothing create anything . So matter that is everything, always existed and nothing also existed as it is essential for the existence of matter since matter requires space to exist in.



.Without any space , nothing in any part of the cosmos can ever exist in any form .The matter that is always existing is also not the same in state or composition as it is active all the time and changing. - evolving . It is the process of change of matter that is proof of the fact that everything , continues to evolve and nothing is static .Also NOTHING ALONE IS STATIC AND UNCHANGING . ( Nothing is static is also different from this statement in meaning .So it is not contradictory ) But nothing can be and is made out of nothing. Because things also did not come into existence but always existed in some form or other , because of their character of continuous evolution.

There is one mistake in the interpretation of the theory of Big Bang . Because it states that there was NOTHING initially and that something appeared suddenly.ALSO THAT THEORY STATES THAT THE BIG BANG CREATED SPACE AND THAT IS ABSURD AT THE VERY FACE OF IT ,This is apparently wrong and imputes a character of magic or mysticism to the birth of the universe .( This could have been made out of fear of the Church ) But the fact is that nothing could appear or come into being suddenly if there were not some thing else to make it and also IF THERE WERE NO SPACE ALREADY EXISTING , THAT SOMETHING COULD NEVER HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE EVEN IF IT WERE ACCEPTED THAT IT APPEARED SUDDENLY .Where could that something , however infinitely small it could be , would have existed or come into being if it had no empty space already existing ,corresponding to its infinitely small volume ?

So also the laws of physics could never have been existence prior to anything having come into existence .The laws could never have been in place but for the existence of the matter. It being the character of matter , it could never have existed without or prior to, the creation of, matter . .The matter being indestructible , it could not also be created ;( but can be changed from one to another ).So the laws of physics could have been in existence because the matter always existed .

This could only be a logical and sensible theory.

The suggestion that something existed out side space , creates a boundary to the space which is totally absurd . If there is an outside , the thing that has an outside has a line of boundary and that somethig should mark it from that out side .Spce has no boundary and it is because it is "NOTHING " it exists without boundary ,

Answer 6

That is like saying, that before "Time", there was no time. But then, "Time" started.



How long was it before time started? A trillion years? and that passed, and then, "Time" started.



How could time wait until it was time to start? Isn't that sort of...illogical?



Just as, "Time slows down as things speed up" Like a person in a space ship traveling at the speed of light ( allowing that to happen, for this scenario). Lets say that light leaves a planet and the space ship does so at the same time. They both arrive at another planet, 40 years later. The light has traveled 40 years, and so, supposedly has the space ship. But the people inside the ship are only 1 year older. How can that be?

Is it possible for the outside of the ship to travel for 40 years, but the inside only 1 year? Or does the whole ship age only 1 year, although it traveled 40 years.?

If time slowed down for the whole ship, wouldn't it still be traveling 30 years away, somewhere, heading for the planet? That means that it therefore did not travel at the speed of light, but at 1/40th as fast.



Multiple universes...if there is more then one...two maybe..there would then have to be an infinite number of universes. ..an un ending number of them. Why? Because each universe would be a different one then this one. That means that for every conceivable thing that can happen to our universe at any one time, there is a universe out there that is different, it didn't happen that way.



Let's say that I smash my little finger in this universe, and I cuss. In another universe, I smash my second finger, not my little one and I cuss. In another one, I don't cuss. In another one, I smash still another finger, not the first two I mentioned. and in another, I don't even smash my hand at all. In one, I am tall and dark haired, in another, tall and light haired, in another I am tall and no hair, and still anaother, I am short and fat, with long hair..and....



Get the idea?



Billions times billions of possible scenarios, just for one person, just for one second of time. How about all the people, for thousands of years? How many universes would there then be? One for every little thing they did, and the choices they made. Each universe will have one choice, or not.



Suppose Computers were not invented, we wouldn't be here writing.. not in this Universe, anyway, but maybe in three trillion others we would be, and we would maybe be using Borgess instead of Intel, or Mac. Or maybe we would be using Kennedy computers.



The possibilities are just too many to believe that multiple universes can exist.

Answer 7

Naturally, since you have been lied to about reality your entire life, any truthful revelations contradicting your false worldview may indeed appear to be far-fetched. But, to make things even worse, human beings are stubborn creatures who let their egos override everything else:



Instead of learning about new information that does not fit within your current worldview, you would rather exercise your ego by letting others know what is and is not possible, merely based upon your personal knowledge and feeble understanding of what actually exists.

Answer 8

The general simplified idea is this, Nothingness is a creation by the Master Creator of all.



space and time simply not exist at all before that -Nothingness



to avoid headache.. :)



The idea that our universe or heavens is eternal had no beginning is ridiculous it is no surprise that one will swallow the blind chance theory the way you put it.. hey this thing is popped out out of nothing is itself an argument in the similar fashion, realize it...



Nothing is come from nothing (in the sense of blind chance - theory of coincidences) , BY Nothing, for the Purpose of Nothing to be dust and lost to the oblivion.



All thing consider before this aren't we not exist at all.?

Answer 9

Particles, set free in space, behave in a random fashion. Is is possible that the order of the cosmos, and life as we know it, came from random interaction of matter? Or is it more logical think that a higher power has given order to the cosmos? We can't dismiss one possibility without examining the other.

Answer 10

Maybe because nothing does not exist.

The Heisenberg Uncertainty principle has been experimentally verified and so has the quantum vacuum effect.

There is proof that you can never have an absolutely empty space, so the idea that anything can come from nothing is a red herring.

Answer 11

You've seemed to answer your own question. What's the question I don't agree with your view point...how we perceive colors and laws don't come from "nothing"...you make some rather big jumps in your assumptions.

Answer 12

I really want to understand when you say "so nothing and everything, both DID and DID NOT exist"..at what point would that "nothing" become something since it's already apart of "everything"?

Answer 13

The minus comes from the Earth was void and without form and God spoke something into existence and there was form and life on the Earth. So something die come from nothing at that time.

Answer 14

Something is highlighted pixels of dimensional fabrics of nothingness. Like a computer screen one pixel becomes on and we draw a dot on the screen.

Answer 15

Our reality absolutely does not come from logic. If you don't believe me, go read the questions on this board.

Answer 16

By saying there was nothing...wouldn't nothing be something? It would be easier to debate that there was never nothing and always something. The debate isn't whether something could come from nothing but more, could there actually be nothing?

Answer 17

if something can come out of nothing could nothing come out of something?

what your saying is not only senseless but also could easily be misconstrued in too many ways if the above example was not enough

Answer 18

Ok - can you give one example of something that's come from nothing?



Just one?



No?



That's right. EVERYTHING comes from something before with the exception of God.

Answer 19

A theist believes that something comes out of nothing because something caused that to happen.

Answer 20

Things come from nothing all the time.

Answer 21

You got any good reason to believe that?



Sweet, you've got me convinced that explains everything, then.

Answer 22

Saying "I don't know" is hard ain't it?