Question:
isn't always asking for evidence a cop out?
2012-12-30 18:27:55 UTC
i guess the athiests figure they cant disprove God outright, so they always fall back on the "evidence" shctick. I guess 6000 years of history somehow isn't evidence.
Nineteen answers:
jpopelish
2012-12-30 18:39:26 UTC
You had better hope you are never falsely accused of a crime and get a prosecutor and jury who have your contempt for the need for evidence to make a case against you. People with your sort of contempt for evidence have convicted many innocent people.



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Regards,



John Popelish
relaxification
2012-12-30 21:57:21 UTC
You seem to have a very poor understanding of what constitutes evidence.



There are plenty of religions whose gods run so counter to yours that one or the other may exist, or neither, but not both. But those believers will tell us exactly what you just did - that their god is real, there's been 5000 or more years of evidence, but the non believers are just too blind to see. They will also mangle up logic and claim that it's YOUR responsibility to prove that their god, the one you're not even interested in, isn't real, and if you can't, then they must be right. You'll be frustrated because, when it suits you, when you realize that if you invert the burden of proof you would have to affirmatively disprove every positive made by anybody, no matter how farfetched, and you'd never get anything done. Don't believe in Unicorns? Too bad, if you can't prove they don't exist that must mean something, right?



But you don't go investigating every hairbrained claim. You dismiss the other fellow's god because he sounds like of weird and lame, and maybe a little bit made up. Certainly nothing as robust as your god. The real one.



Except when I consider your god and put him next to any of the other ones, it's all just the same nonsense. Your god is, at best, equally banal. You just can't see it because you've fetishized him.



Ok. I have a million dollars in my pocket. Can you prove me wrong? If you can't it means I must have the money, right?
ZeeLizardGlue
2012-12-30 18:33:03 UTC
"I guess 6000 years of history somehow isn't evidence."



So..."Evidence" you say. Where is it. Once again, you claim there is evidence but their is none. Until you show me REAL evidence besides "THE BIBLE!" I won't believe. It's not a cop out, it's us honestly open that once there is evidence, we might believe. And we can disprove God, science does it all the time as we do every time we point out "Well, where are these stone tablets? Why did these men stop claiming miracles when we could disprove them? Why hasn't he shown himself? Why has he laid all this evidence pointing away from him (evolution, big bang etc)"
Nous
2012-12-31 00:38:50 UTC
Why hide from the truth?!



The evidence is overwhelmingly against a god!



The only way primitive religion exists today is through the child abuse of forcing it into very, very young children but thanks to better education and growing intellects so many teens are able to discover the truth, throw off the indoctrination and step into the real world!

Academia states that in the absence of any sort of evidence of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable evidence is found - thus god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence.



The bible is what is called "Faction" A fictional story set in a factual time and place. Thus the time, place and real historical characters are all correct but the fictional characters and stories are not!



There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!



There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?



Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!



At best he was an amalgam of those others but almost certainly never existed!



The Roman Emperor Constantine produced the bible and he was a pagan not god! He took the Jewish religion, organized it into Christianity and then into the Holly Roman Catholic Church!! Not in Israel or any of the countries of supposed origin but entirely ITALIAN!



Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?



The first person to provide a shred of verifiable evidence for God will become world famous and mega rich!



SO COME ON GENIUS - if there is a single shred of verifiable evidence for your claims - produce it!



Ain't happened yet and it never will!



So how does this primitive belief in a god survive?



The answer is simple and very down to Earth



Acceptance of a supernatural claim tends to promote cooperative social relationships. This communication demonstrates a willingness to accept, without skepticism, the influence of the speaker in a way similar to a child's acceptance of the influence of a parent. By encouraging this kind of behavior where the most intense social relationships occur it facilitates the lack of skepticism and deters more open minded thinking.



They are christian, Muslim or the other religions depending where they were born simply because they were indoctrinated by their parents as very young children. They will go on to indoctrinate their own children and those will go on to indoctrinate their grandchildren!



Atheists have the intellect to see through the conditioning and escape into the real world!



Agnostics have the intellect to see through the conditioning but lack the courage to throw of the conditioning entirely.



Sadly Christians, muslims and others are still held firmly prisoner by the self perpetuating brainwashing!
Doubting Like Thomas
2012-12-30 18:41:38 UTC
Imagine yourself being accused of raping and murdering several children.



There is no evidence, but, you have informed us all that evidence is not required, if a person simply Believes.



So, instead of a jury trial, the Judge takes a coin upon which "In God We Trust" has been engraved, marks one side "Guilty", the other "Innocent", utters a prayer to God to have it land with the proper message upwards, and gives it a toss.



Fair enough for you?



Exodus 31:15, in your Bible, commands me to take as much weaponry as I can find, over to the shopping center, on the Sabbath, and put to death everyone who is working there.



But I think the Bible was made up by mere mortals, who tried to peddle it AS IF it was ideas given us by God, so I haven't done the slaughter.



Anyway, that's MY excuse for ignoring the bits that are too stupid or violent.

What's your excuse?
?
2012-12-31 19:06:54 UTC
Rule # 1! Keep your mouth shut!!! Do not say a thing but your name and that's it! So now U KNOW, God is man made, So what's the question?



I can tell U, what U think is real is just a LIE! You in your whole life, ARE the power! No God or Satan; ***** HUH? You ar WAKING UP!



Know to denonice this, U have committed a sin! Know thyself! God has nothing to do with you, SORRY! You are your own BEING so BE YOU! Did I give U a Loop?



***** is it not? Pain is worst when you know your DOING IT! EVIL is nothing more then knowing YOUR KNOWING U DOING IT!
?
2012-12-30 18:32:52 UTC
6000 years of history isn't, actually, evidence of god. Not having any evidence and then claiming you don't need it is a cop-out.

BTW, there's a hell of a lot more than 6000 years of history.
?
2012-12-30 18:55:22 UTC
The burden of proof rests on those making the claim that something exists. There is nothing in 6000 years of history that proves the existence of any god, although there are claims made for the existence of hundreds of different gods. So which one do you want to believe in?
2 Shepherds
2012-12-30 18:35:17 UTC
I didn't think of it that way until you brought it up. I used to be in sales, and I always thought it fell under the category of a smokescreen objection, meaning the objection was not really the reason people gave. In the case of asking for evidence, I take it to be adhering and clinging to a belief system that's truly challenged by the fact that there is more to life than the physical and other untried and unfamiliar standards apply.
Slap Happy
2012-12-30 18:30:30 UTC
Nope, 6,000 years of preachers claiming something exists without providing any evidence isn't evidence.

Other religions have existed for even longer than that.
?
2012-12-30 18:32:17 UTC
Yeah, I guess that would seem strange to someone who values faith over evidence. You're right, I should just take your word for it that God exists.
2013-01-01 02:30:57 UTC
An even bigger cop out is never having evidence.
2012-12-30 18:34:51 UTC
If I claim the sun is hollow with people living inside it are you obligated to prove otherwise? Or am I, the one making the assertion obligated to provide proof before people believe it? Think about that, then give me proof that your assertions about god are true. Also, we have a lot more then 6,000 years of history.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
?
2012-12-30 18:32:19 UTC
Curiosity?
2012-12-30 18:31:19 UTC
Cops look for evidence.
?
2012-12-30 18:41:56 UTC
well, well a loaded question which will get a lot of "hell ya's"and a hell of a lot of no's as well.

however i see the truth of the matter as being somewhat different. i see the encouragement by one faction to create atheism will actually work in favour of finally adhering to God's logic because all other sects of Christianity are merely just waiting strict to their doctrine.

well that is a lot to explain though
Brad
2012-12-30 18:32:28 UTC
What dafuq are you talking about, there is tons of proof against the existance of God, google it stupid. You just said evidence is that is 6000 years old, do you know how dumb that sounds. Go read a bible and stfu.
?
2013-01-01 08:25:48 UTC
Evidence is just something they use to escape from another word "Accountability."
2012-12-30 18:29:12 UTC
Present some evidence, and we'll stop asking for it.


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