Question:
Anything wrong with this?
2007-12-20 00:06:57 UTC
You follow a religion based all on faith and have no tangible proof of your god.You clam the earth to be his creation and your book to be his words.You claim to see your savior and hear his voice but when others hear voices you call them insane.You remain sin free just in hope being saved from enternal damnation.Do you see anything wrong with this?
Please excuse any mispells or typos I am dyslxix so I have a very hard time remebering how to spell disspite my very high I.Q.
37 answers:
2007-12-20 00:14:38 UTC
i am a christian, so i'm sure i'm biased, but i think that as long as you don't judge other people, then it's fine. and just fyi, no one is sin free. and often times when people say they see God and hear him, they don't mean literally. sometimes they do, but its usually just more figurative. when people hear that someone hears voices or sees things, they jump to judgment and label them insane. its human nature because its not "normal." i can say this because i am schizoaffective (combo of bipolar and schizophrenia) so i hear those voices....but i also hear God's voice. but its different. but i'm crazy, so what do i know? i'm sorry if you feel judged by christians or other religions. no one should judge you. especially not a christian. because christians are supposed to believe that they are sinners, only saved by Christ's blood, so how can they judge? but the majority do. sometimes i hate being grouped with "christians" i just love jesus. anywho. don't know that i did much as far as answering your question, just my two cents.

EDIT: wow, people can be so mean. when i read your question, i didn't think you meant to antagonize anyone, you were just being honest. people just tend to react so crazily to certain things. wouldn't it be nice if we could all just discuss things without getting pissy? when one person gets pissy, then everyone does and nothing comes of it. maybe you meant to be antagonistic and i'm just a dunce with my head in the clouds, oh well, its nice up here.
RedMistPete
2007-12-20 00:21:11 UTC
As an Atheist myself, I can admit to having no tangible proof that GOD doesn't exist or that the Torah isn't the work of GOD, mediated by man, no matter how much I disapprove the theory.



I think that GOD and the bible are two different things - not to be confused in religion (especially the new testament).



We believe that the earth was created by a huge 'explosion' of energy - I propose that the huge explosion of energy, responsible for creation of everything, has been called "GOD" by some believers (at a time when we didn't know what 'energy' was) and somewhere along the line we have separated religion and science but really they are one and the same



Most 'sane' Christians do not claim to have seen or heard GOD, those that do are branded insane by the scientific world in the same manner that anyone else would be.



Certainly the world would be a much better place if we all chose to remain sin-free, regardless of our motivation for this. Why would you oppose peace just because you oppose religion?



You spelled particularly well by the way. ;)
Susan
2007-12-20 00:16:52 UTC
Even pre-humans seem to have had a need for spirituality, a sense of something greater. Maybe it's wired into most brains. It makes people happy, so why would it be wrong? (and I wish people were able to be 'sin free'). So it suits the human race, it makes people think, people at least try to be better than they are. So as long as it isn't used to hurt others, I don't think it's wrong. The beliefs may or may not be correct in the end, but that doesn't make following a religion wrong.
borse
2007-12-20 00:25:23 UTC
I will not brag about my I.Q. and will not find fault in others.



I find the perfection of my God's creation throughout the life I live and even in within the science I practise (Geophysics).



His Earth is made for us,



His book brings strength and hope,



I see our saviour in the goodness in life and hear his voice when there is someone in need.



I TRY to be sin free because I want to contribute to peace,



Enternal damnation is dying with regret.



If a religion is based on the preservation of a quality life, I dont not see anything wrong with that.
Kevin
2007-12-20 00:14:05 UTC
You follow a religion based on 'science' which is in perpetual flux. You clam the earth evolved and the racist Darwin the one who enlightened you. You claim that there is nothing that exists that can't be tangibly seen. You deny the reality of sin and spit at the idea of any moral obligation to God. Do you see anything wrong with this?

You deny the existence of what you can't see just because you can't see it or don't want to believe it in spite of your very high I.Q.
Helena
2007-12-20 00:12:49 UTC
I believe it is called faith. I am agnostic for these very reasons. I never hear voices in my head, only my own conscience and when people start chanting jibberish or speaking in tongues, I think they are psychotic. Guess I don't have a whole lot of faith that they are truly speaking some unknown foreign language when it sounds like nonsense to me. If I can't touch, taste, feel, hear or see it, it is not real to me. Perhaps I am not big on faith.

It is okay if you are dyslexic....so was Albert Einstein.
M. Alexander
2007-12-20 00:19:48 UTC
Nope. It's good to believe in something AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T RESULT IN THE HARMS OF OTHERS. If you're benefiting yourself and others at the same time then good for you. Don't let others run you down just because your views are different from theirs. True, religion has been a basis for many wars and other horrible events, but to some people, religion is the only thing giving them direction in life.



I think it would be good to stop the debate because neither side can win without concrete proof. Just let people live their lives and let them face the consequences of their own decisions.
Banjo and Sullivan
2007-12-20 00:20:15 UTC
It is not a matter of what you believe friend. It is a matter of fear of the unknown. Ask yourself this: Do I fear death? If I do, Why? What happens when I die? Do I care? If I don't; then who cares what I believe but me? It is all about whether or not you want to look forward to a happy ending, or no ending at all. I choose the happy ending. We fight wars over this. It is rude to point fingers by simply saying YOU follow a religion... Your high I.Q. should have told you that. Another thing not only you, but everyone, should realize, is that it doesn't matter what you believe... It's just that you believe.
Pull My Finger
2007-12-20 00:14:34 UTC
Honestly, yes. I mean, I won't hate someone for it, and I won't try to pass a law that says people can't do this stuff, but yeah, I find it odd. It's a little like meeting an adult who still believes in Santa, and keeps a nightlight on to repel the Boogeyman.



It seems nonsensical to me. The last part of your proposal is Pascal's Wager, and enough has already been said on here against that.
alibubu12
2007-12-20 00:11:47 UTC
No I don't see anything wrong with this because when things happen out of our control we tend to seek the higher power to help. Since people really are unsure how we got here or why we are they think that something of higher intellegence had to do with it. It doesn't hurt do beleive especially when there's a book out there that's based on how to live in which everyone abides by all or part of.
2007-12-20 00:15:46 UTC
you say I have no proof, yet you refuse to see the proof given, I claim nothing, Jesus claims and is..no other god has yet or will..no one is sin free.

I see plenty wrong with it, its more twisted logic from the liar himself, satan.

you might be dyslixix, but maybe your heart might see correct if you allow it

A sheep only hears the masters voice...

your pet will follow you first before a stranger

you know your parents voices in a crowd

you know your cell phone ring, on a crowded bus

claiming is one thing, and archeological is another, and so is the dead sea scrolls,..now go back to the end of the line, and hit the books again, d minus, for lack of study
Stetson R
2007-12-20 23:11:45 UTC
I guess you can just say whatever way works for you. Personally i'm miserable without saying my prayers and talking to my father in heaven. I find myself miserable when I sin and transgress his laws not just from guilt put a true lowering of my self being. I need to say my prayers and read scriptures to stay strong in this world where satan has a lot of power. I actually found out the reality of Satan before I had a testimony of God and Jesus Christ.
ROBERT P
2007-12-20 01:28:53 UTC
No.The only thing i disagree with is the part about remaining sin free.Sin offends God,so i try not to offend Him.I also pray for the conversion of the World. Of course i don't want to go to hell,who does? This is common sense.But that will be up to God to decide.
2007-12-20 00:10:19 UTC
You use a European pentagram, so I assume you're a Celtic pagan (or something similar).



Your religion is based purely on faith as well. You can prove me wrong with a demonstration, if you'd like. Turn me into a toad or something. Show us that you occupy a moral high ground that gives you the authority to question our faith.



(I hereby promise to verify in good faith the results of any spell you want to cast. I'll even give you the benefit of printing it here, a small time delay for the effect, and then my response. As long as I can type with flippers.)



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I'm assuming that since nothing happened to me then your faith is not based on anything material or verifiable.



And since you've not responded to me any other way, perhaps your IQ is based on self-evaluation. My IQ is not so high, yet I've bested you apparently with simple reasoning.



(But your spelling is better than mine.)



Our faith is based on personal experience, and that's better than tangible proof, even though we have that, too.
☺☻☺☻☺☻
2007-12-20 00:15:29 UTC
Yes because this person is only acting in his own selfish benefit (or perceived benefit) and not for the good of the whole or any higher purpose.



Its not wrong in a way that will really seriously harm anyone else, but its a waste of life if you ask me.
Amo
2007-12-20 00:11:32 UTC
The argument of a "God" is irrefutable, as you can't prove of its existence, but neither can you disprove it.



You may call yourself "Enlightened" if you wish, but until you come to the realization that you are still subscribing to what you have learned from external sources all around you, you will not be fully enlightened. Enlightenment comes slowly in understanding that what we each claim to be truth is only self-evident.



I will even quote the Bible this one instance.



"Why notice the splinter in your brother's eye, without taking notice in the beam of your own?"
2007-12-20 00:16:15 UTC
Of course there is quite a lot wrong with that, as you correctly perceive. The essential characteristic of h. sapiens is the ability to apply logic to evidence and arrive at valid conclusions. But religions are based on no evidence whatever, so anyone who believes in one has surrendered the essence of his humanity. For more on this, see:
pugjw9896
2007-12-20 00:22:11 UTC
True Christians do not hear god's [ literal] voice.

All He wants us to know is in the Bible.

(2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.



And there is NO...eternal damnation...



This is a false Catholic teaching and not supported by the Bible.



Our death fully pays for any sins we may have committed.



(ROMANS 6:23) For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.



'Wages' is full payment.



Our sins are fully paid for by our death.



Nothing is left owing..



So there is no justification in further punishment.



As to 'inherited' sin, Jesus has paid for that for us..



Inherited sin is HAVING to die in the first place.



(GENESIS 2:16-17) And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”



We inherited death from Adam and Eve.



Jesus paid with his life to have it removed.



This will fulfill God's promise.



(REVELATION 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”



This will apply ONLY tro the righteous. We must all try to be part of this group.
2007-12-20 00:10:22 UTC
You know what they say--when you talk to God that's called prayer, but when God talks to you that's called schizophrenia!



People seem to have a need to believe in something. It's just human nature. I don't have a problem with it unless they believe that their belief entitles them to special privileges, like to be self-appointed moral arbiters for the rest of us.
2007-12-20 00:11:57 UTC
Nothing wrong with the 1st part

From the third sentence is wrong in my beliefs

I don't hear voices and I don't call people insane.

No one remains sin free. we repent for our sins.
dustandrags
2007-12-20 00:11:10 UTC
other than the fact that I have never called anyone insane for hearing "voices" and the like? no.
Miss Sto Helit
2007-12-20 00:22:28 UTC
*clapclapclap* that's what I always think when people try to convert me. If someone says you're stupid, remember that sometimes it takes a little stupidity to be VERY smart.
Daisy Indigo
2007-12-20 00:09:36 UTC
I don't see anything wrong with it, if it comforts you, this is a hard world take all the comfort you can get.
2007-12-20 00:09:51 UTC
If your the kind to wants to live a lie, go right ahead.
Amirul
2007-12-20 00:28:01 UTC
i think you have problems with your mind. because, if you do, you should think who's created sun, earth, trees and others to let you alive. and who gave you the soul, so that you can think by yourself who is god.
2007-12-20 00:10:37 UTC
that’s why agnosticism is around.

even though it isn’t a committing form of faith,

you don’t make a decision.
2007-12-20 00:11:43 UTC
Never bring up your IQ again.



A rich man doesn't have to tell you he's rich.
2007-12-20 00:10:34 UTC
What proof is atheism based on?
Montesa
2007-12-20 00:12:13 UTC
Live and let live
2007-12-20 00:10:17 UTC
I see you are a satanist. I always like to join the winning team myself. Not a loosing team.
2007-12-20 00:27:41 UTC
Not if you want hell for your home. Choose life.
2007-12-20 00:09:17 UTC
you obviously don't believe in god, so why do you care? Let me live my life how it makes me happy and stop pretending you know any more than anyone else.
2007-12-20 00:11:56 UTC
yes, I see something wrong with this, your profile picture
spawnn
2007-12-20 00:10:21 UTC
OK. I do like your avatar though.
Inou
2007-12-20 00:12:11 UTC
poor you
danny_boy_jones
2007-12-20 00:26:38 UTC
A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.



"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"



"Yes sir," the student says.



"So you believe in God?"



"Absolutely."



"Is God good?"



"Sure! God's good."



"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"



"Yes."



"Are you good or evil?"



"The Bible says I'm evil."



The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"



"Yes sir, I would."



"So you're good...!"



"I wouldn't say that."



"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."



The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"



The student remains silent.



"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.



"Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"



"Er...yes," the student says.



"Is Satan good?"



The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."



"Then where does Satan come from?"



The student falters. "From God"



"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"



"Yes, sir."



"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"



"Yes."



"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."



Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"



The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."



"So who created them?"



The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"



The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."



The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"



"No sir. I've never seen Him."



"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"



"No, sir, I have not."



"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"



"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."



"Yet you still believe in him?"



"Yes."



"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"



"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."



"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."



The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"



"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."



"And is there such a thing as cold?"



"Yes, son, there's cold too."



"No sir, there isn't."



The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."



"Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."



Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.



"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"



"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"



"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."



"In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"



The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"



"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."



The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"



"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."



"It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."



"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"



"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."



"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"



The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.



"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"



The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.



"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."



The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.



"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."



"So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"



Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.



Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."



"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"



Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."



To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."



The professor sat down.
javaKat
2007-12-20 00:09:49 UTC
*cringes*..here they come


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