Question:
Fellows Jews I need you help?
anonymous
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Fellows Jews I need you help?
Thirteen answers:
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2010-11-16 03:10:49 UTC
You gave an excellent answer; Messianics are not Jews however much they may wish to tell themselves otherwise.

Even if some of them were born Jewish,if they accept Jesus as the Messiah they are no longer counted as part of the Jewish people.

I expect my answer will get a whole load of thumbs downs just like the answers from the other Jewish posters
Cher and Cher alike
2010-11-15 20:27:24 UTC
You were 100% correct & answered her well. It is a problem that messanics are trying to shove their christianity into judaism, by force against our will. Christains tried to do that for 2000 years...you'd think it would have stopped.



There is an underlying passive-aggressiveness to their deceptive ploys, that is infuriating. We ALL know how you feel.



EVERY Jewish organization around the world in every branch, is in agreement that these folks aren't practiicing, aren't Jews & aren't being honest about it. That includes the chief Rabbis in Israel, Reconstructionist through Reform, Conservatitive & Orthodox.



Judasim being a race is a hitlerism. Many Jews do have semitic lineage, but it's a religion AND a family or community. People confuse that with race. But you can convert to Judaism & leave it. The rules are very similar to a nation, & citizenship, if you think about it. (This site describes that well: http://www.jewfaq.org)



These groups are less than 2% actually formally Jewish, & around 10% with some Jewish association in their families. Once someone converts to a new religion (messanics), their new religion doesn't become a member of their old religion (Judaism)!!



Good luck. It's not easy to deal with them. This group started as result of Jewish kids being approached & hasseled by Messanics, plus their visits to Jewish nursing homes & lying about being Jewish in order to convert confused elderly people. It's has lots of good info.

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org



On textual arguments:

http://www.outreachjudaism.org

Also, http://www.messiahtruth.org (not PC written, but lots of texts.)
anonymous
2016-10-03 07:07:33 UTC
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anonymous
2010-11-15 20:17:43 UTC
The Messianic Jews, or as I like to call them "Christians", are a terrible problem for us. They deliberately mislead people who feel called to Judaism. What they are doing is out right lying and taking advantage of people just looking for some answers. It is disgraceful and they should be ashamed of themselves. Ok I feel better now. As for your problem, all you can really do is keep on educating people. The gentile world is so mystified by us to begin with. Most people I come across don't even know there are different branches of Judaism. Keep on presenting anyone interested with the truth, be an example of a good Jew and eventually everyone's actions will speak for itself. Shalom.
Devoted1
2010-11-15 20:32:58 UTC
You seem to be very confused, little one. My parents were Orthodox Jews, I am a Jew who follows the Jewish Messiah and yes, I AM a Jew, not a Christian. I don't keep Christian holidays, I keep the Lord's Feasts and Sabbaths.



So don't be so judgmental of things you don't understand, just accept them and go on with your life and



be blessed,



D1
ツLev✡
2010-11-15 23:19:22 UTC
This is not an easy situation for you but unfortunately I do not know what advice to give you. If you get angry about, it does not help you, just them (as they will realize that they reached you in somehow because you showed by your feelings that it did something to you; if you tell them "great!" it'll not help you and you won't get rid of them approaching you. I can only say that you might ignore them because you won't change that they are there anyway.

I used to be very angry about Russian Jews in my community from time to time (I know, this situation is totally different...) as they knew anything about Judaism, kept to take out a pen at the Shabbos table to note things, exchanged money, came with there bike to synagoge and wanted to "park" in in the synagoge's hall, used to call someone via cellphone during prayer, made the kitchen several times treife as they brought some pork sausages with them to put them fast into a pot with water to heat them in the milk kitchen; interrupted prayer or Kriat Torah and stuff like that. I used to be so angry about it that I thought one should place them in a plane and fly them back to Russia/Ukraine.Things did not really change as learning Judaism has something to do with a will to do it and it is often not there but at a special point, I started to ignore it, because it only made me angry and gave me a bad feeling about Judaism and I felt that I lost connection during prayer. So I thought that by now I am used to it, it'll need now a bit more to shock me - and it worked. Last year Chanukka there was one woman that came with a Crucifix around her neck to celebrate Chanukka (and she participated with it in the Chanukka Spiel for/from the Russians) - our Rabbi saw it, took his things and left the party without a word and this woman did not come back until now.

So I don't know, but don't let them produce a bad mood in you. Don't deal with them, don't explain if it does not help - just do your things and erase them from your mind. They're there, okay and they try to convert people, but they won't stop wheter you're angry or not - so be there as well like a rock and don't let them disturb you. Think positive, even if it's hard.
Alexander Moses
2010-11-16 00:18:16 UTC
I know how you feel my friend , in my countries most "Jews" are Messianic , it annoys the hell out of me, I refuse to go to Temple anymore because most "Jews" in my community are really Christians.

It's just dumb.



There are some legit Jews here though , like....20 I don't know for sure.

I let them use my Tefillin.
anonymous
2010-11-15 20:19:23 UTC
Relax, Shalom!



This is really not such a big deal. All you need to say is that Messianic Jews are Christians, and Christians are not Jews.



A flying squirrel is not a bird. It may be able to glide, but it is still not a bird.



A Christian is a Christian and a Jew is a Jew. there are very few "ethnic Jews" among the Messianics, but I do believe that Jewish can be an ethnic thing, too---we have our own disease and many of us have our own distinctive DNA. But Jews do not believe that Jesus Christ was equal to God, and that is very simple. A Jew can believe that Jesus was a great Rabbi, a fine teacher, even perhaps performed some miracles. But Jews believe in One God, period.



Don't let this stuff get you too upset. There was a time, not long ago, when people were afraid to call themselves any kind of Jew. We've come a long way.
Michael K
2010-11-15 20:09:45 UTC
Messianic Jews are pretty much Christians who keep a few traditions of Judaism. As for Judaism being a race, I think that's just not true. Judaism is a religion.
anonymous
2010-11-15 20:18:37 UTC
answer: trying to convince most people that Jews aren't a separate race is an uphill battle. Simply point out that Judaism is a religion, that there are African American Jews, African Jews, Asian Jews, Italian Jews, etc.



Then point out that believing in Jesus makes someone a Christian, no matter what name they call him.



Pointing out that a majority of Christian beliefs did NOT come from Judaism doesn't work.
Brandon
2010-11-16 00:27:59 UTC
A Jew is a Jew no matter what they believe. In Tanach times, the Jews worshiped idols, but this did not stop them from being Jews, nor did it end the Covenant. "Messianic" Jews are very unfortunate, as they prey on uneducated Jews that dont know the first thing about who they are.



Keep strong, and its best to have no contact with those people. They are doing terrible things and dont deserve your time.



www.messiahtruth.com
Hatikvah
2010-11-15 20:17:28 UTC
A Christian answer to “Messianic Jews” borrowed from Ernest S:

Any who truly becomes a Christian is made anew and becomes a new creation in which there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor noncircumcised, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Christ is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. Notice, to make in Himself of twain one new man.

Through death we lose our worldly allegiances and though Christ was born a Jew through His death and resurrection **He is no longer a Jew but the new Man.***

There are therefore three categories still in this world, Jews, Gentiles and Christians.

Messianic Jews make themselves an offence to both Jews and to Christians for they try to combine the two *contradictory* allegiances.

What did Paul, a Hebrew of Hebrews say? Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, ***those I counted loss for Christ.*** Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do ***count them but dung,**** that I may win Christ.

And if you understand the point, as the "Messianics" will, since we are using English he didn't say Moshiach or Yeshua either!!! Agreed, that at least would be more honest but it still creates divisions. Why is there any need to? Do Muslims who become Christians pretend to be Muslim Christians? How far do we take this? Atheist Christians? Alcoholic Christians? Do you see the point?People will either know or if they want to know they will ask or find out about, just as for anybody. We all have backgrounds but it is what we have become, a new creation in Christ, behold all things are become new, that is Who we follow. At least the honesty will be respected I am sure you will agree.

It is for people to reject us when we become Christians and if not, then fine, they accept us as Christians and each will know the difference, but ***if they do reject us then we respect that and accept the offence of the cross.***



Messies: Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League objected to the [Southern Baptist] Executive Committee recommendation of turning a mission to Jews over to the SBC's mission boards.

"The idea of the Southern Baptist Convention using a so-called Jewish messianic group--which misrepresents two faiths--to target Jews for conversion is disgraceful, insulting and dangerous," Foxman said in 2005.

Foxman decried "continuing efforts by the Southern Baptist Convention to target Jews for conversion." He termed the Southern Baptist Messianic Fellowship "part of a deceptive movement that falsely claims they are interested in Jewish practices when the real goal is to convert Jews to Christianity."

For Southern Baptists, however, it is simply a strategy for evangelism. Ed Stetzer, who now works for LifeWay Christian Resources, has said Messianic congregations are an example of a "missional" church, in that they are "indigenous to Jewish culture."

The SBC passed a resolution in 1996 pledging to “direct our energies and resources toward the proclamation of the gospel to the Jewish people.”

http://ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=12579



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Frankie
2010-11-15 20:27:01 UTC
God can turn a rock into a Jew so why the pride of Judaism? When you stand before God on judgment day, is your race or nationality going to matter? Of course not. Being a Jew or Gentile does not matter to God.

It's what is in your heart for Him and how you lived your life according to His teaching. You should be more humble and even visit the messianic people.

You may be very surprised to learn they are very much Jewish.


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