How would you reply to this god-believer?

Question

In another question, a god-believer responded:

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If we believers are just a bunch of deluded idiots, then tormenting us is kind of like tormenting a retarded child. but there are people here who are searching for the good stuff, we have the hope of an afterlife, and while I will freely admit that some of the atheists are far more clever than some of us believers, there is something pathetic and wrong about non-believers tormenting believers. We believers are trying to figure things out---y'all non-believers need to get your own life. hope it works out for you. what kind of weird twisted psychology impels you to spend so much time in R&S?
What are your issues? What do you get from this?
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How do non-believers reply:

Answer 1

It is also wrong and pathetic for Christians to porment non christians with the threat of hell. That is how I would answer.

BB

Answer 2

If he/she really wants to experience torment, try being a gay person and experience the "love" from those promoting the Anti-Gay Agenda! At least he's not telling you that you need to become an "ex-atheist" in some unbelievable conversion process like the "ex-gay" scams!



As a Christian gay man (another source of torment to this particular believer, I'd venture), I have no problem with non-believers asking questions and leaving comments here. Some of the thoughtful questions are great to ponder; the silly, 3-word comments I just overlook. As far as I'm concerned, everyone is welcome here.

Answer 3

As an atheist i can only answer for myself,every so-called christian,Muslim or bud dist are out of touch with the modern world,and should be put on another planet where GOD and his kind do actually live,as we on this planet know that we humans evolved from a humble OM EBA,then in time it changed its appearance,and became an APE.

A few eon's later it developed a brain,walked upright and

became man HOMOSAPIEN. Now although the present thinking of the christians is that Adam & Eve had a lot to do with bringing man into what he is,doesn't that mean that all

christians no matter what their race or colour are practising

Incest,as they call each other Brother and Sister.At least us Atheists can be honest and say that we do not practise

something desarsteadly as what you are,and did christ not

say thou shalt not commit Adultry or bear false witness.

so my fine feathered Christ believers what are you going to do now,"I know" ?you are going to make all the excusses under the sun and blame us,as thats what you usually do.

Christians are unworthy of the title of being the follower's of the truth??

Answer 4

I'm old enough to remember a burning cross being used

both as a symbol for racial hatred and religious adulation.

Heard about the USA Blue Laws? I recall the Church was against Lightning Rods first sold by Benjamen Franklin because they denied Wrath of Heaven to strike as God wills.

Don't get me started on the Spanish Inquisitions..................

Go cry me a river before taking the non-belivers to task

about questioning Bible Thumping.

Answer 5

Drink ,Drink some more ,then answer .

Why do you like being persecuted and tormented ?

Is it a standard that you must go through to get to your heaven. How can the real TRUTH ,torment you ? You ask questions of the Atheists ,They give honest answers and by doing so ,they are tormenting you ?

You need some serious couch time ,my friend .

Answer 6

I dont overstand why you kristians make such a big deal about people dissin yr faith?If some1 takes H.I.M name in vain in a real conversation i will ask them politely not to offend me,if they choose to ignore me and carry on i dont go away in a corner and cry.There is no 1 and nothing that can shake my faith in the most high,if i felt defensive or tormented i would seriously have to question my beleifs,and belive me as a Rasta i have to put up with a lot more derision and insults than most other religious people have to deal with.Water off a ducks back is the phrase i think

Answer 7

Did you ever think that atheist/agnostic/others are looking for interesting debate on the subject? From others of various beliefs?

After all, its not like we could go to a church to find like-minded people, thats the territory of the believers.

Where else are so many people with opinions on the issue congregated in one area?

We like the idea that these things can be talked about.

Believers aren't the only ones with interest in religion and spirituality. These subjects affect us all!

Answer 8

When the believers stop tormenting the nonbelievers this might be a point but I also think people should have all the facts rather than just dogma before they decide what to believe.

Answer 9

I'm a believer and will say id rather be your retarded, idiot, needing psych help type person then being what atheists call being smart or intelligent. when the end comes and the "idiots" were right then who was really the intelligent one? i might be retarded but im a happy, peaceful, joyful retarded person!

Answer 10

first *drink*



second - whose tormenting anyone? if things are that bad maybe they would be better off in a xtian chat room where everyone agrees with them.



i thought the whole reason for y/a was for the exchange of ideas and debate.



i have never understood the persecution complex some people seem to have...

Answer 11

well first of all, this person is NOT a child. only their belief is childish. and all this good stuff that they say they do in the name of religion can equally be done without a belief in god. ask him to provide one instance where a person of belief has or can do something that an atheist cannot.

as for their attempt to find the truth i'd have to say they are doing a piss poor job. when the first page of the "holy scripture" is a lie. such as the ignorance of evolution by claiming spontaneous creation of man on the same day along with every other animal.

we are here on r&s because its fun, and because religion touches on so many subjects of our lives. such as politics, science in schools, medical research including stem cell research. the condumnation of condums in africa subsiquently leading to millions of deaths by aids. how can we ignore the impact that their faith is making? right now we are in a religious war (america) we have zionists killing muslims. muslims killing muslims. christians killing muslims and muslims killing christians. are we to sit back and let them have their self fofilling apocoliptic prophacy?!

Answer 12

Personally, I am tiring of the fight. It seems the more they challenge me and the more I try to point out logical reasons I keep running into the brick wall. The final answer is almost always "blind faith"

Answer 13

Ah-Ha so the truth comes out. I knew it i was just to afraid to say. Well i hope America has some large mental captivity center because 90%of America is going there.



It is nice to know that we have finally won and i think we all deserve a drink and a pat on the back.

Answer 14

A non-believer might reply by saying that he has something to contribute to the believer's search. If you're trying to make up your mind, then you need to be FULLY informed. If not, admit you just want one side of the story and that you only want the illusion (delusion?) of open-mindedness.

Answer 15

It is of vital importance to beat down religion.



In the back of all minds is the thought that we might, just might come before God after we die. The atheist has a strategy something like this: "God, you didn't give us enough evidence to believe you exist". God might say, "but look at all the believers here who did come to belief". The atheist will have to say, "they came to belief for stupid, illogical reasons".



Hence the need to ridicule.

Answer 16

Firstly, being "tormented" if you can call it that, comes with the territory of being a child of God. Satan uses people to try to make us feel bad, but we should take no heed of this. I know that most born again Christians would not take heed of Satan's tricks.



I do not agree that atheists are far more clever than believers - I think that atheists merely THINK they are. Actually, they are foolish to put faith in what they perceive to be their intelligence.



As far as "we believers are trying to figure things out" - I disagree with him again as I know what I believe and all born again Christians will have a deeply inplanted knowledge of truth and will not have to "figure things out".

Answer 17

I think he is pretty accurate. I like athiests here, it is a mission field for us, but actually I too can't really figure out why they are here if they believe what they claim to believe. If you don't believe in the abominable snowman why would you spend hours of your time trying to prove he doesn't exist and to mock people who believe he does. Wouldn't you just do what you do believe in?



Edit: - Thanks to hypno-toad1. That is a n informative answer and I appreciate that perspective

Answer 18

Why do so many people think that being an atheist means you must have no religion? Many don't, and I have nothing against them. But I personally do have a religion, and that is one reason why I am here. Plus you do not need to be religious to be in the "spirituality" section, do you?

Answer 19

We should stop "putting them on a cross" so to speak? HAHA, ha ,ha . . . um, Id say occasion to drink, but print it for a good giggle in the future.



Or if you want to attack point out that "believers" dont figure things out, the majority "know" and will tell us how it is, and no scientific 100% proven fact that there is no god will sway them, because, "like we cant see pain, its there, just as god is". Pffft.

Answer 20

As a believer I would hope for a reasonable response. Maybe that Christian is somewhat paranoid.

Answer 21

Torment? Who said it was torment?!



I've been harassed by so many bible thumpers and Jehovahs witnesses in all my years, I'd have to call it revenge!



Ha! fundies are fools if you ask me.



And yes, I know I sound very spiteful, I'm usually more tolerant than that, but those people just don't know when to stop!

Answer 22

Because atheists have made atheism(the belief in no god, no religion,blah blah blah) into a religion. That is why they spend so much time in this section. They spend so much time denying something that is right in front of them that it is absolutely amazing that they take and put closer to their face and still cant see the truth.



By the way, I am classified as a genius on the whole IQ scale and I accept that science and religion go together harmoniously and that there is a God and it is the only logical way for our world to be around us.

Answer 23

It's pretty hypocritical, especially when you compare the first sentence to the last sentence.

Answer 24

Oh them poor picked upon idiotic retarded believers.

I would feel so sorry for them if they were not so busy trying to pass laws against me not believing in their foolishness.

Answer 25

Wes, if our religion bothers you so much, GET OFF OF THIS FORUM!! It's just that simple.

Answer 26

That's just the old "What are atheists doing here in R&S?" question asked about 37,000 times already.

Answer 27

I would probably respond indignantly, then laugh it off with a drink.

Answer 28

what about all the beilievers that wont shut up about the same bible crap over and over and over and over and over and over. SHUT UP. keep your religions away from me, ill keep the idea of god and thats all that there needs to be.

Answer 29

Personally, I like de-brainwashing people. I've converted quite a few Christians I know to atheism already. Think of me as an atheist missionary.

Answer 30

That was so gracious.Makes a good point.

Answer 31

how are nonbelievers *tormenting* the believers?

The martyr complex blows!

Answer 32

I'd say thats the most rational response I've ever read.

Answer 33

Romans 8:1-18 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)



Romans 8

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:



4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.



5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.



6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.



7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.



8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.



9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.



10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.



13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.



14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.



15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.



16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:



17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.



18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.