Question:
How can any Christ argue agianst the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the One, True Church, founded by..?
Seamus O'Shaughnessy
2009-07-08 20:58:08 UTC
Our Lord, Jesus Christ, himself.

15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. 20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

Matthew 15-20
22 answers:
anonymous
2009-07-08 21:02:48 UTC
I don't see the word Catholic in any of the Scriptures , Do you?
?
2016-05-23 06:41:37 UTC
The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination of the one holy catholic and apostolic church. Other denominations which are a part of this church include the various orthodox traditions, the Anglican tradition (though the RC Church disputes the validity of Anglican orders they are accepted by the other traditions), the Old Catholics, and various smaller catholic churches and communions. Many 'protestant' churches can no longer be considered to be apostolic - having given up the idea of apostolic succession long ago, thus they would not fit the description of the church from our earliest records - ie. the Church is described as One holy catholic and apostolic church.
anonymous
2009-07-08 21:13:19 UTC
Those verses are not proof that the catholic church is "The One True Church." It says nothing about it, and that is just it. The Bible can be interpreted in so many different ways, for every person there is a different interpretation. It is fine if you believe the Catholic church is right, but you have to realize as much as you believe in it, someone else feels as strongly about lutheranism or islam or hinduism, and they can't understand why you would believe in the Catholic church, because it doesn't make any sense to them personally. The bottom line is, you can believe whatever you want, but you have to let others do the same without interfering. It is fine to discuss issues with people of other ideologies as long as you do not tell them they are wrong from the get go.
arewethereyet
2009-07-08 21:08:35 UTC
And yet Peter was never made a Pope until 300 years after his death.



And yet all Catholics follow the works of Paul, not Peter.



And yet Peter never found a church, it wasn't until the 9th century that anyone ever mentions Peter as being the founder of the Catholic Church. He's not even mentioned past the book of Acts, it's all about Paul.



So yeah, we all know the Roman Catholic Church is not the one true church founded by Jesus ... it can in no way lay claim to that other than through it's own "traditions". It ain't Biblical hon.
Tess
2009-07-08 21:11:22 UTC
If catholosism is the 'true church', then why dont they teach what thier 'Peter' taught in the book of Acts and so on....

The catholic church is far from the teachings of the bible....and the catholic church doctrine was not established by the teaches of the Apostles.

So there is NO way it is the first church, the only church, nor the true church.

EDIT----

Lotta - you are still inucubating. you have not yet been born of the water according the the scriptures of what Jesus,Peter, Paul and the rest of the apostles---water baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sin....this IS the born again experince jesus prohpesied, with the infilling of the Holy Spirit.[water and spirit]

You have the key, but it has 2 edges and you need to get the other side cut!!!!

Fulfilled in the book of Acts 2 verse 38.[water and spirit]-in Jesus name[no titles]---or we cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

'born of the water AND the spirit'---water baptized in JESUS name for the remission of sin, and filled with the holy Ghost with the evidence.....according the the scriptures!
anonymous
2009-07-08 21:06:47 UTC
First of all what do those verses have to do with the Roman Catholic Church?

I will agree that Roman Catholic Church was the first church set up in England than later branched over into the U.S. and other places.

You must remember that Jesus was a Jew. I am not saying that was the church He founded, but He never said "I am going to go and form the R.C.C." now did he?

There are many churches that have branched off and lost their original founders purpose, which was to worship God.
tsc1976ers
2009-07-08 21:12:47 UTC
How in the world the Catholic Church could be the church Christ built?!?! The Catholic Church is the oldest denomination that became in existence in the 300s AD, and divided with Christ's church. Another thing, Christ's church isn't and never has been a denomination.



I Corinthians 1:10-17 (ESV, English Standard Version)

Divisions in the Church

10I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16(I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.



The Bible teaches me to be a Christian, not a Catholic. Jesus Christ loves and He died for you, God bless.



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To Chris: That so-called Sinner's Prayer doesn't save anyone. It is just false doctrine. Since it is no where found in God's Word, known as the Holy Bible.



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angelique48033
2009-07-08 21:13:51 UTC
The ROCK that Y'shua speaks of is the TRUTH of Who HE is and not

who Peter - anyone else is!!! We do not believe on PETER for our salvation. Peter did not die for us.



Y'shua is the Anointed One and He is our Savior...and Paul is the one who spent so much time in Rome, but he did not start the Catholic church either. Peter did not even go to

Rome.



Y'shua is the One Who founded His own church, the body of born again believers up until the very moment of the Rapture,

not Peter. The church is not founded on PETER...
MPH
2009-07-08 21:09:29 UTC
Peter isn't the rock! The rock is Jesus, at least if you believe what the Bible says.



Psalms 62:7

"In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God."



Psalms 89:26

"He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation."





Reread those verse. Jesus never called Peter the rock. You're reading into Scripture. Look in the Bible at all the verses where it declares Jesus is the rock. The rock is Jesus, His church can only be built on Him.
anonymous
2009-07-09 00:52:13 UTC
Was Peter the “rock” on which the church was built?

Matt. 16:18, JB: “I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out against it.” (Notice in the context [vss. 13, 20] that the discussion centers on the identity of Jesus.)

Whom did the apostles Peter and Paul understand to be the “rock,” the “cornerstone”?

Acts 4:8-11, JB: “Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, addressed them, ‘Rulers of the people, and elders! . . . it was by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, the one you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by this name and by no other that this man is able to stand up perfectly healthy, here in your presence, today. This is the stone rejected by you the builders, but which has proved to be the keystone [“cornerstone,” NAB].’”

1 Pet. 2:4-8, JB: “Set yourselves close to him [the Lord Jesus Christ] so that you too . . . may be living stones making a spiritual house. As scripture says: See how I lay in Zion a precious cornerstone that I have chosen and the man who rests his trust on it will not be disappointed. That means that for you who are believers, it is precious; but for unbelievers, the stone rejected by the builders has proved to be the keystone, a stone to stumble over, a rock to bring men down.”

Eph. 2:20, JB: “You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main cornerstone.”

Did the other apostles view Peter as having primacy among them?

Luke 22:24-26, JB: “A dispute arose also between them [the apostles] about which should be reckoned the greatest, but he said to them, ‘Among pagans it is the kings who lord it over them, and those who have authority over them are given the title Benefactor. This must not happen with you.’” (If Peter were the “rock,” would there have been any question as to which one of them “should be reckoned the greatest”?)



The Man of Lawlessness Gets Revealed”

The apostle Paul foretold something else that would mark this counterfeit religious system. He wrote: “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because [Jehovah’s day] will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed.” (2 Thessalonians 2:2-4) This “man of lawlessness” is none other than the clergy class that exalted itself into a ruling position over the “Christian” congregation.

The apostasy started in the apostle Paul’s day. It accelerated once the apostles died and their restraining influence disappeared. It would be marked, said Paul, by “the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents and with every unrighteous deception.” (2 Thessalonians 2:6-12) How accurately that describes the activities of so many religious leaders throughout history!

In support of their claim that Roman Catholicism is the one true church, Catholic leaders say that their bishops have “a life-giving contact with the original apostles by a current of succession which goes back to the beginning.” In truth, this claim of apostolic succession has no historical or Scriptural basis. There is no credible evidence that the church system that arose following the death of Jesus’ apostles was ever directed by God’s holy spirit.—Romans 8:9; Galatians 5:19-21.

And what of the other churches that sprang up following the so-called Reformation? Did they return to the model of the early Christian congregation? Did they restore the purity of the original Christian congregation? It is true that following the Reformation, the Bible became available to many of the common people in their own language. Yet, history shows that these churches continued to teach erroneous doctrines.—Matthew 15:7-9.

Note this, however. Jesus Christ definitely foretold that his one true congregation would be restored during what he called a conclusion of a system of things. (Matthew 13:30, 39) The fulfillment of Bible prophecies shows that we are now living in that time. (Matthew 24:3-35) That being true, each of us needs to ask, ‘Where is that one true church?’ It ought to become more and more clearly identifiable.

Maybe you feel that you have already found that church, or congregation. It is important that you make sure. Why? Because as in the first century, there can be only one true church. Have you taken the time to make sure that your church closely conforms to the pattern set by the first-century Christian congregation and that it loyally adheres to the teachings of Jesus Christ? Why not examine this now? Jehovah’s Witnesses will be happy to help you to do just that.—Acts 17:11.
iPerson
2009-07-08 21:07:34 UTC
The Catholic church wasn't developed until at least 200 years after christ. Stuff like the Gnostics came before them.
LottaLou
2009-07-08 21:16:18 UTC
Peter is Petros and means 'Piece of the Rock'. And Rock is Petra and means 'Mass of Rock'. And this Mass of Rock (Petra), I will build my Church & the gates of hell will not prevail against it.



And Jesus is the Chief Corner Stone. And all the Apostles / Prophets are named in the Rock Foundation.



And the Rock Who was with Israel back in the OT, was Christ. (Compare the Greek Word Petra verses with OT verses.) So Christ is the Rock Foundation. But the Apostles / Prophets are a Piece of the Rock. So the Catholic Church denomination is founded on that piece of the Rock that Peter is of. And that Rock is Christ.



And Jesus Christ told me He has plenty of copies of the Key. Peter isn't the only one who has it.

He gives this key to the Kingdom to all who are born of His Spirit & cleansed by His Blood.

John1:11 He came to His own & His own received Him not.

12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the Children of God, even to those who believed on His Name:

13 Who were born not of blood, nor of the iwill of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.



And I haven't been to a Catholic Church, but I was saved in a different Church. And Jesus has given me the key to the Kingdom of God.



The key to the Kingdom is to be born of God. Jesus said that to see the Kingdom of God we need to be born of the Spirit (born again). And to enter the Kingdom of God we need to be born of the Spirit (born again). Once we see it, then we can learn how to enter.

And when our eyes are spiritually discerning, we can bind the demons in weights and throw them into the abyss to wait until judgment day, by the authority & power of Jesus Name.



I have already confessed in faith from God and honestly from my heart to God, 'Jesus Christ is my Lord & Savior. He died on the cross for remission of my sins, and He raised up for my justification.

So I am on the Rock Foundation.
Gregory
2009-07-08 21:05:59 UTC
it was not the roman catholic church that was the true church



believers who put their faith in jesus and repent and turn from sin are the true church





since the church was not welcomed by the romans until about 400AD when they stopped persecuting them.



Hence the name of the church became the roman catholic church.

Catholic dogma added latter made peter the first pope and the roman CC the claim they are the one true church.



God did not made a man made religion, the RCC, the true church.
♥ SJC ♥
2009-07-08 21:04:01 UTC
The one, true church BAPTIZES IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

~Acts 2:38~ (In Peter's words.)

NO ONE has the right to discredit Peter's words!



Instances of Jesus name baptism:

Acts 8:16

Acts 10:48

Acts 19:5
Bill C
2009-07-08 21:02:52 UTC
Maybe because the Catholic doctrine hasn't matched that taught by Peter in more than 1700 years. You change the Gospel, you kind of give up the right to be called the true Church.
?
2009-07-08 21:10:04 UTC
Religions, all religions are like sports teams. And for its members your team is always the best, the one you root for. Hip Hip Hurray for Christ, Hip Hip Hurray for Alla, Hip Hip Hurray for the mighty Jehovah, etc etc etc, you get the picture?



Isn't there an old adage saying 'Never argue Politics or Religion' It must mean you are never going to win.
anonymous
2009-07-08 21:07:24 UTC
Well, if Christ is arguing against it, shouldn't you listen?



Seriously though, how do you know? You take this most likely mistranslated passage from thousands of years ago and hold it up as proof that you are right? Think about it logically for a minute and admit that you don't know. Do you really think that there was someone following Christ around taking down every word that came out of his mouth? Even if he did exist, this is extremely unlikely and the books you are referring too were most likely written many years after Christ died by men who never met him.
Halfstarved Wombat
2009-07-08 21:03:21 UTC
the catholic church was founded by the romans several hundred years after christs death. It allowed them to continue to exercise power over others even after their empire fell apart
Douglas
2009-07-08 21:01:41 UTC
his followers started it but if you read in history 300ad it changed

st athanasius destroyed the previous teaching of christ and all the mainstream christians follow the belief of the athanasian creed which is the definition of the trinity that never was taught prior to that so how could you say you believe in the trinity if in the definition it says that the catholic church is the only true church of christ
anonymous
2009-07-09 03:39:05 UTC
WELL, JESUS SAID THAT HIS CHURCH WOULD BE A SMALL FLOCK, SMALL AND SCATTERED. ONE CAN'T SAY THAT ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHICH WAS FOUNDED BY PETER THE SORCERER.
lagerman
2009-07-08 21:50:29 UTC
take drugs or drink its less complicated and more fun. if you really want to know the truth read stephen hawkins a brief history of time. its not as entertaining as the bibble but a lot more factual and informative!
?
2009-07-08 21:09:43 UTC
Jesus never mentioned about trinity and you wont find the word trinity in the bible.



When you read the bible in gospel of John jesus said that:

I am and my father are one.



But if you read the whole context it means its in purpose that we are one not as a whole.



Exampl:

Lets say we play football to geather and in a team we are one in purpose. Not as a whole.



Its the Christains the bible say something and they utter their tongue and make something else whats suits them and it is the teachings of the churches not the bible.

So is Christanity based on jesus teachings or the churches.



THE TRINITY EXPLAINED TO MUSLIMS

By Abdullah Ibrahim



The Bible categorically pronounces that there is only one God!



Jesus:..."Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Mark 12:29, or Romans 3:29-30, James 2:19)



The Quran too testifies that Jews and Christians, the people of the Book, believe in one God:



And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): But say, "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is One; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." (Surah 29, 'Ankabut, verse 46)



CLARIFYING MISUNDERSTANDINGS



The blasphemous idea of Christians worshipping three gods comes from a wrong understanding of the Trinity. In the fifth century AD there was a Christian cult called Maryanya which spread the false belief that Jesus and his mother Mary would be two separate gods besides God. The Quran was right to speak out against such impiety:



And behold! God will say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, 'Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God,?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.'" (Surah 5 Maida, verse 116)



To say, as the minority cult of the Maryanyas did, that Mary was the mother of God through whom He produced a physical son, and both were to be taken as separate gods besides God, is absurd! This ludicrous and heathen concept of the Trinity is completely condemned by both Islam and Christianity! The Quran rejects it in clear terms in Surah 4, Al Nisa, verse 171. The Trinity has also been missuderstood to mean that God is three persons and only one person at the same time and in the same sense. Neither are there three substances in one substance. In opposite to this contradictions the Christians definition of the Trinity is expressed in the Athenasian Creed: "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons; nor dividing the Substance (Essence)" The word "person" is here used in the sense of "self with a particlular function." ("The Illustrated Bible Dictionary" by F.F. Bruce, IVP Leicester, 1962, see "person")



The danger one faces when confronted with extreme or complicated ideas, is, "to throw the baby out with the bath-water," this means to reject everything about a matter, even the true and the good. Here is what C.S. Lewis, professor of Medieval and Renaissance literature at Cambridge University has to say about such an attitude: "If Christianity was something we were making up, of course we could make it easier. But it is not. We cannot compete, in simplicity, with people who are inventing religions. How Could we? We are dealing with Fact. Of course anyone can be simple if he has no facts to bother about." ( "Mere Christianity", Macmillan Company, New York, 1943, page 145)



The main stream of Christianity throughout all the world believes in one God, the Holy Trinity. It is indeed a mystery, as God Himself is, and as eternity and infinity are. "It is held that although the doctrine is beyond the grasp of human reason, it is, like many of the formulations of physical science, not contrary to reason, and may be apprehended though it may not be comprehended by the human mind." (See, "Encyclopedia Americana", "Trinity", by F.C. Grant, Danbury, Con.: Americana Corp., 1980)



The religion of Islam too faces such intellectual challenges. The Quran speaks about God anthropomorphically (it uses human terms to describe him). Orthodox Muslims do not explain the "how". Similarly, it is a fact that God's word was revealed in a book, but how the infinite can be expressed in the finite is not clarified.



BIBLICAL FACTS



I will tell of the kindnesses of the LORD, the deeds for which he is to be praised, according to all the LORD has done for us - yes, the many good things he has done for the house of Israel, according to his compassion and many kindnesses. He said, "Surely they are my people, sons who will not be false to me"; and so he became their Savior. In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of


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