Question:
Question for catholics. I have heard the following inconsistencies?
2007-08-03 21:32:19 UTC
about catholicism in one form or another at some point or another

Can a catholic brainiac please explain why you believe these things, if they are untrue, how they can be defended, and how they can possibly line up with biblical teaching, if that is the agreed upon standard.

1. they pray to Mary
2. pray to statues and shrines
3. they dont teach the bible, they teach from their own tradition
4. priests are called "father"
5. they forbid priests from marrying
6. they call the pope "the holy father"
7. they forbid the eating of meat.
8. they dont recognize jesus as god, he is merely a "person" in a "trinity" of gods.
9. the priests pressume to have power to forgive sins.
10. they believe that the pope, a mere man, is infallible
Nineteen answers:
monfille
2007-08-03 21:42:14 UTC
That is a good question, thanks for asking.



I'm an EX-catho, and just because all these points didn't make any sens in my heart, I knew the rc was a false religion, which through me to seek God even more thoroughly. All of what you mention is totally practiced in our french (Quebec) rc churches and all of them are abominations to God, so how come they do that, and still call themselves christians, since they do what God hates???



But don't try to tell them the truth, they can't stand it at all, they live for their religion, but not for the truth and God, and what He stands for!



Don't they know that the Great Whore, Babylone (the second) is the Vatican (the city sitting on 7 hills, rome is the only place in the world with 7 hills)??



You should check this site (free viewing videos) about the end time prophecies, they have good teachings, but even I, when I first came to the Lord Jesus, God showed me many things about the rc that they teach. ANd back then, I hadn't even read the Bible...

http://www.endtime.com/videos2.asp
mattfromasia
2007-08-04 04:52:56 UTC
1) Catholics don't pray to Mary.



2) Catholics don't pray to statues and shrines.



3) The Mass has 3 times in it when they read from the Bible. The sermon is usually based upon those passages (unless the priest is just a bad sermon writer). If you go to church throughout the year, you will have heard the entire Bible and heard thoughts on it from the priest. How is it you assume they don't teach from the Bible?



4) The titles of many religious vocations centers around a family as imagery. Nuns are called Sisters, Monks are called Brothers. I think it's a great way to think about it.



5) Priests are dedicated to the life of the Church. When a priest is called away to live elsewhere, marriage can become an issue. I believe the Catholic Church will have to reconsider this stance, since there may soon be too few priests to move around anyway.



6) See question 4.



7) Catholics are not forbidden from eating meat. You're thinking of every Friday in Lent, they should refrain from eating meat. It's a form of fasting. Just a helpful hint: Avoid Red Lobster on those days...it's crazy.



8) They recognize Jesus as God. And they don't see the Trinity as "gods." (Plural) The Nicene Creed mentions that Jesus is God. "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit, he became incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and was made man."



9) God forgives sins...not the priest. "God grants the penitent 'pardon and peace.'"(Catechism paragraph 1424) The Sacrament of Reconciliation consists of seeking 3 things:

--Forgiveness from God

--Forgiveness from the Church

--Forgiveness from the one you offended.

The Priest can grant absolution and bring you back into standing with the Church. The Priest can remind you that God forgives your sins. The Priest can tell you to go seek forgiveness from the one you offended. But a priest doesn't grant God's forgiveness of sins.



10) The infallibility of the pope is not absolute. It has only been invoked 2 times: The Assumption of Mary and the Immaculate Conception. It's not like anything the Pope says is infallible, which is a common misconception. But even then, the infallibility doesn't lie in the fact that it's a man doing it, but that God leads the Church. I disagree with the infallibility thing in a large part because I disagree with the 2 infallible statements. But the idea is that God is infallible.



Hope this helps!

Matt
Mandaladreamer
2007-08-04 05:02:20 UTC
OH my god, another one. You don't know what you're talking about and you're attributing this stuff to Catholics when it is just all misunderstood and/or in the wrong context.

1. Yes, so what? Mary is our friend, we don't worship Mary.

2. NO, they don't pray to statues and shrines, these are just physical reminders of the person or event that we like to recall or pray to (saints are our friends in heaven).

3. It's the BIBLE AND TRADITION, not either one or just one.

4. Yeah, so what? Happens in lots of religions.

5. Priests don't marry so they can have more time to concentrate on their parish (family). Some married men, however, are actually allowed to become priests if they were priests in another religion that allowed marriage. They don't hold jobs in regular churches, but usually are assigned to schools, hospitals, convents/monasteries, nursing homes, etc. not regular parish priests.

6. Yeah, so what? It's a title of respect.

7. No, they don't. How in the world did you ever hear that one? Only certain days a year, Fridays between Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, are Catholics forbidden to eat meat, because in our culture it is considered a staple of the diet and we are making a sacrifice on those days. Look it up elsewhere for more reasoning on this.

8. Yes, they do recognize Jesus as God.

9. THe priests don't "assume" anything, it's a power transmitted in their ordination. They represent Christ in that capacity.

10. No, the pope is only infallible when he speaks ON DOCTRINAL MATTERS EX CATHEDRA which means he has to be addressing an issue of what Catholics have to believe, he has to specifically SAY he's speaking "FROM THE CHAIR" of Peter (with the authority handed down from Peter, the first pope.) This very rarely ever happens. It hasn't happened for years and years, not in my lifetime.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK and have a little respect. Nobody's asking you to believe, but all this information is on the internet on established Catholic websites and you're being just silly to talk this way on YA.
Rev. TomCat
2007-08-04 04:53:52 UTC
I'm not Catholic but I may add some answers I have learned.

1. They pray to Mary because she is the Mother of Jesus and they are asking for her intercession to Jesus in Prayer. It is like asking you to ask Jesus for help. He helped her at the wedding by changing the water to wine. Same thing. It is not worshiping her.

2. As far as I know the statues are not an object of worship.

They are a visual aid like a painting.

3. They absolutely do teach from the Bible.

4. Priests are called father because he is like a father of his church and those in his church are like children he cares for.

5. They take a vowel not to Mary because they are married to the church.

6. The Pope is the considered the father of the church. The first church father was Peter the apostle.

7. they are not forbidden to eat meat. They eat fish on Friday as a fast from meat.

8. As far as I know they do recognize Jesus as God the son.

part of the trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God. There is only one God the creator of all that is, I must say.

9. The Bible says we all have the power to forgive sins.

10. I don't know about this question except that they consider him Most Holy and is voted as the head of the church.
Liet Kynes
2007-08-06 01:33:03 UTC
*Is Catholic, with degrees in theology*



I am sure that you are well aware of the scripture verses for each one of these, if not look them up at http://www.scripturecatholic.com and many many other places. Thus I will not be giving scripture refs.



FIRST, "biblical teaching" is not the "gold standard" for Catholic theology. I should know. Scripture is only one of the supports for Catholic Theology. In order to do Catholic theology you need philosophy, science, reason, logic, history, understanding of literature, etc. as well as revelation and the teaching authority of the Church.



The "gold standard" is not "is this in scripture", but rather "is this true?" Catholic theology is a whole different league than much of Protestant theology. Scripture is an inerrant form of revelation but it is also limited in what it contains.



VERY IMPORTANT: A theologian's relationship with Christ is vastly more important than his ability to argue based on scripture.



Lets deal with your topics one by one.



1. Catholics pray to Mary. We understand prayer differently than Protestants. For most Protestants prayer is an act of worship or adoration. Catholics do not understand pray in this limited fashion. Not all prayer is worship or adoration. The prayers offered to the saints are prayers of petition and we understand this type of prayer differently than Protestants. In the Creed we say "I believe in the Communion of Saints" and it is because we so believe that we pray to the saints.



2. We do not pray to statues. We will pray at shrines and might have a statue before us when we pray. Or not. We pray in this way because humans are visual people and we pray with our senses not just our minds. You have to remember that Catholicism came out of a very vibrant and visual culture so it is in the social fabric of who we are.



3. We do so teach from the bible. Look up Vatican II and see all the scripture quotes. Also I would like to point out that the Bible is Our Tradition. It is the inerrant written form of part of the content of the Catholic Faith.



4. Yes so?



5. Not true. Only Roman Catholic priests are forbidden from marrying, but this rule can be and is bent. However, no priest, once a priest can ever marry, even if his wife were to pass away. This is true across the board.



6. Yes again so? Is not the Pope the spiritual father of the Catholic Church?



7. Not true. One should fast on Fridays and during lent. Abstaining from meat is the norm but this does not apply to all people and in the modern time we may substitute an adequate penance of our own choosing.



8. Not true. Christ is fully God.



9. Christ gave priests the power to forgive sins.



10. Yes so? The Pope is not infallible in all situations though. Papal infallibility is limited in scope. It only says that the Pope cannot teach falsehood. It says nothing about teaching perfectly or teaching in the best way or most accurate way.
Arnon
2007-08-04 04:58:12 UTC
1 We pray to many saints for their intercession. That is, we ask for them to pray with us. We do NOT worship any but the Holy Trinity. How is that wrong?

2 We do not pray TO statues. They are images to remind us of the person they represent. The statues hold no power or sanctity other than the real person they represent.

3 The bible was assembled as a tome in the third or fourth centuries by Catholic scholars using traditional teachings. Bible as a word come from the Greek "biblio" which means "source". And further, to correct you, we do teach the bible. We do not attempt to interpret it willy-nilly like the protestants.

4 Yes they are called Father. I am also called Father by my children even though the out of context command you refer says " call no man Father but your Father in Heaven". Please refer to "willy-nilly" above.

5 Priests are required to be celibate. What is your problem with that?

6 Yes Holy Father. Head Shepard. You are in the "willy-nilly" zone still.

7 Forbid eating meat? Now you are just making things up. There are certain holy days when we abstain from certain flesh as a penance to mortify and humble ourselves. Even on those days fish is allowed.

8 You are terribly misinformed. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Ghost is God. They are distinct persons and are the same , one God. It is called a mystery of faith. You have to have it to accept it. You can't fully understand it.

9. Dude, Christ passed on the power to forgive sins to His church. It is in the bible and before that it was in our tradition.

10 The Pope is infallible in matters of morals and Church doctrine when he makes an intentional effort to make such a statement. If the Pope says" I think evolution is reasonable and I believe it is factual" I would answer him "Bullshit". In that example, he would be stating a personal opinion on a scientific matter. No infallibility possible.
la_lluvia_06
2007-08-04 04:48:06 UTC
I'll only address those that I know.



1. Catholics pray to Mary but they don't worship Mary they way they worship god. An analogy I like to use is to see god and Mary like our parents. There are times when we like to go through our mother to ask her to ask our father something on our behalf. That's kind of the idea.



2. Same as above. I assume you mean saints. It's just a symbol. Catholics don't literally pray to the physical statue. The statue is just a representation.



5. Marriage is a distraction from allowing those who commit to religious life to be wholly and fully committed to god. If the priest gets married, he has another committment - that to his wife and possibly children. If he has another committment, he cannot commit to god - somewhere in the bible says that a man cannot have 2 masters if he wants to serve god.



7. As far as I know, eating meat is not forbidden. Catholics traditionally abstain from meat on Fridays as a form of sacrifice and penance.



8. Jesus is god. The idea of the Trinity is that there are 3 persons in one god. As it, Jesus is God. God is Jesus. Jesus is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is God. These three 'manifestations' are the Almighty God. This is probably one of the most profound doctrines in Catholic faith. I don't think I explained it well.



9. They don't presume. Catholic teachings say that the priest represents Jesus and thereby can forgive sins. But it is not the priest per se that forgives sins. It is Jesus whom they represent who forgives.



10. The Pope is a man. He's only the representative of god. Catholics believe that he is infallible because they believe that the Pope is chosen by god working through the archbishops who elect him. As representative of god in this way, they believe that god works through him. But the Pope is not god.
Victoria
2007-08-04 04:47:03 UTC
Of course we pray to Mary, she is the mother of God

Yes, we DO pray to statues, I don't think that shrines are though. The statues are of a saint or jesus, or someone who is important. We pray to them, to help us.

Of course we teach the bible...not all bibles are true though.

Yes, father is what we call our priest.

Priests can not marry. It is not right for them to.

The Holy father is the name of the pope, he is a speacil person who helps guide us(mostly).

No, we do Not forbid meat!!! Only on fridays during Lent. Some Catholic's don't eat meat on any Fridays of the year though.

God is 3 persons, The father, the son(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost.

Yes, god wants us the confess our sins to the priest.
Ana Makes Art.
2007-08-04 04:39:06 UTC
I don't have the time or the patience to type up the answers to the other thingies, but I do know about this one:



5. they forbid priests from marrying



Back in the day, priests were allowed to marry and have a family. Which is legit and all good I'd say, but then the plot of land that the churches were on were family property, and this became a whole fiasco of people privatizing all of this stuff, so it just wasn't fun. So the Catholic church, a big fan of tradition mind you, forbade priests from marrying a long while ago, and this never changed. Simple as that my friends, look it up.
2007-08-04 04:42:37 UTC
Okay, as a convert from Catholicism, I can answer some of the questions...



1. They don't pray necessarily to her, but treat her as a special person

2. Again, they don't pray to the statues and shrines, they just have them and are just a place to pray if they wish.

3. No, they teach from the bible.

4. Yes, they are called father. It's like he is the head of the family that is the church, and its just a name.

5. Yes, they should dedicate their life to god

6. Yes, they call him that. Again, just the head of one big family

7. Only on Fridays during lent (just more of a tradition thing)

8. No, he is the son of god, a part of god.

9. Yes, the Priest is a communication between the person and god, almost, and can advise you how to avoid sinning.

10. Nope, however, if he does invoke a certain power, he can claim that a certain message is straight from God, and therefore, is dogma.
Lightning
2007-08-04 04:46:34 UTC
We pray to the Virgin Mary because she is the mother of God and she has a great intercession with God.

We don't pray to statues nor shrines.

We do teach the Bible.

I think we call priests father for respect.

Priests don't get married because they dedicate their lives to God, to serve God, and to teach about Him.

We don't forbid the eating of meat.

We do recognize Jesus as God. And there's no such thing as a trinity of gods.

Priests don't have nor presume that they have the power to forgive sins.



What do you mean by infallible?
2007-08-04 04:48:10 UTC
1- we ask Mary to pray for us.



2- many of us pray in front of statues but none of us belief the statute has power. its similar to using pictures of people at memorials or kissing a photo of a loved one- its not really them but its the closet physical thing you have of them.



3- there is catholic bible study



4- yes



5- yes, when you are a priest you are celibate. priests also take other vows. (I think it might be time for them to marry)



6- not to my knowledge.



7- only on Friday, many Churches gave this rule up. some give up meat during lent



8- we believe in the trinity. we think Jesus, god, and the holy spirit are all intertwined



9- if you confess to a priest, you confess to god. you do your penance and are absolved. priests are emissaries of god.



10- most do
imacatholic2
2007-08-04 06:34:42 UTC
To do proper just to your list, this answer would be very very very long so I will only address your first item.



Please ask individual questions for the rest of your lsit. Thanks.



1. Prayer to Mary and the other saints in heaven.



Before Jesus Christ died for our sins and opened the gates of heaven there were no saints in heaven. Therefore there are no Old Testament writings that would mention them.



Very few of the new Christians died before most of the New Testament was written. Therefore there is little in the Bible about asking saints to pray for us.



However the last book of the Bible does talk about the saints in heaven praying.



Revelation 5:8: Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.



Revelation 8:3-4: He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne. The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.



The Holy Spirit guided the early Church in many things not explained in the Bible including how does the Body of Christ (believers) living on Earth relate to the Body of Christ (saints) living in heaven. We are still one Body.



Catholics share the belief in the Communion of Saints with many other Christians, including the Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Episcopal, and Methodist Churches.



The Communion of Saints is the belief where all saints are intimately related in the Body of Christ, a family. When you die and go to heaven, you do not leave this family.



Everyone in heaven or on their way to heaven are saints, you, me, my deceased grandmother, Mary the mother of Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II.



As part of this family, you may ask your family and friends living here on earth to pray for you. Or, you may also ask the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint Andrew, or your deceased grandmother living in heaven to pray for you.



Prayer to saints in heaven is simple communication, not worship.



And prayer to the saints is optional not required.



For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 946 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p5.htm#946



With love in Christ.
2007-08-04 04:48:42 UTC
I am not a Catholic apologist but I do love my faith. All I can say is this: all Catholic doctrines are based on three things which are biblically supported - The Bible, Apostolic Tradition and the teaching authority of the Church.
Original Christian
2007-08-04 11:48:12 UTC
Good Questions, but very long answers. To get more detail or if you feel a inconsistencies go the catholic catechism as Iamcatholi2 told you.

For a more profound research to history and facts, I will go to newadvent sit http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1008.htm or catholic answers www.catholic.com
2007-08-04 04:34:36 UTC
1. We ask Mary to pray for us. We view her as our mother and friend and see it as nothing more then asking the person sitting next to you to pray for you.

2. We dont pray to them, just because they are in our house of worship does not mean we pray to them.

3. We put the bible together, and most religions have rituals that arnt in the holy books but are an interpretation of it.

4.Yes they are, i see no problem with that

5. if you have a wife and children you cannot give 110% to God. you would have to keep your family going and that woudl take away from the duties you agreed to.

6. Ive never called him holy, to each their own.

7. on fridays durring lent, but im a vegitarian

8.God is in three, three parts to one being. Jesus IS God

9. Its hard to explain, but no. just going 'im sorry God for i killed someone' isnt going to cut it there is a bit more too it. and its really only for major sins, not 'I lied about my age'.

10. When he becomes pope the Holy Spirit leads him. but he isnt perfect.
2007-08-04 04:35:06 UTC
its marys book because we will meet god, and people aon earth will meet jesus but mary just had something special shappen to her

and so ishe is the main character of the story,
Livefor2day
2007-08-04 04:43:33 UTC
praying to mary's ok as long as they dont "worship" her



No priest can forgive a sin ... they can successfully mollest



Only Jesus can forgive your sins... the reason for the word becoming the flesh was for him to accomplish the mission of DYING FOR US.... so a saint can guide u but no more than



eating meat is not a sin..



the pope is only a Man like me and you that sacrifices alot but I DONT KNOW maybe he has some power we dontknow about...



sorry im a baptist.. i dont know alot of catholic traditions



hope i could help ya a litle

thanks
Daver
2007-08-06 15:06:49 UTC
<<1. they pray to Mary>>



Offering Intercessory Prayer to Mary and the Saints is not wrong. It is Biblical:



God Desires and Responds to Our Subordinate Mediation / Intercessory Prayer

1 Tim 2:1-2 - because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul's teaching about Jesus as the "one mediator," Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?



1 Tim 2:3 - because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ's role as mediator.



1 Tim. 2:5 - therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).



1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in Christ's work because we are God's "fellow workers" and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe "fellow workers" is "sunergoi," which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.



Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord "worked with them" ("sunergountos"). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.



Rom. 8:28 - God "works for good with" (the Greek is "sunergei eis agathon") those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.



2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, don't accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.



Heb. 12:1 - the “cloud of witnesses” (nephos marturon) that we are surrounded by is a great amphitheatre of witnesses to the earthly race, and they actively participate and cheer us (the runners) on, in our race to salvation.



1 Peter 2:5 - we are a holy priesthood, instructed to offer spiritual sacrifices to God. We are therefore subordinate priests to the Head Priest, but we are still priests who participate in Christ's work of redemption.



Rev. 1:6, 5:10 - Jesus made us a kingdom of priests for God. Priests intercede through Christ on behalf of God's people.



James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 - the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.



1 Tim 2:5-6 - therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.





<<2. pray to statues and shrines>>



Images and Statues

Deut. 4:15 - from this verse, Protestants say that since we saw "no form" of the Lord, we should not make graven images of Him.



Deut. 4:16 - of course, in early history Israel was forbidden to make images of God because God didn't yet reveal himself visibly "in the form of any figure."



Deut. 4:17-19 - hence, had the Israelites depicted God not yet revealed, they might be tempted to worship Him in the form of a beast, bird, reptile or fish, which was a common error of the times.



Exodus 3:2-3; Dan 7:9; Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32; Acts 2:3- later on, however, we see that God did reveal himself in visible form (as a dove, fire, etc).



Deut. 5:8 - God's commandment "thou shall not make a graven image" is entirely connected to the worship of false gods. God does not prohibit images to be used in worship, but He prohibits the images themselves to be worshiped.



Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31 - for example, God commands the making of the image of a golden cherubim. This heavenly image, of course, is not worshiped by the Israelites. Instead, the image disposes their minds to the supernatural and draws them to God.



Num. 21:8-9 - God also commands the making of the bronze serpent. The image of the bronze serpent is not an idol to be worshiped, but an article that lifts the mind to the supernatural.



I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 - Solomon's temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.



2 Kings 18:4 - it was only when the people began to worship the statue did they incur God's wrath, and the king destroyed it. The command prohibiting the use of graven images deals exclusively with the false worship of those images.



1 Chron. 28:18-19 - David gives Solomon the plan for the altar made of refined gold with a golden cherubim images. These images were used in the Jews' most solemn place of worship.



2 Chron. 3:7-14 - the house was lined with gold with elaborate cherubim carved in wood and overlaid with gold.



Ezek. 41:15 - Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of cherubim. These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.



Col. 1:15 - the only image of God that Catholics worship is Jesus Christ, who is the "image" (Greek "eikon") of the invisible God.







<<3. they dont teach the bible, they teach from their own tradition>>



Catholic teach the Sacred Scriptures as well as Sacred Oral Tradition. In fact, Sacred Oral Tradition can be found in the Scriptures.



The Word of God is Transferred Orally

Mark 13:31 - heaven and earth will pass away, but Jesus' Word will not pass away. But Jesus never says anything about His Word being entirely committed to a book. Also, it took 400 years to compile the Bible, and another 1,000 years to invent the printing press. How was the Word of God communicated? Orally, by the bishops of the Church, with the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit.



Mark 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature. But Jesus did not want this preaching to stop after the apostles died, and yet the Bible was not compiled until four centuries later. The word of God was transferred orally.



Mark 3:14; 16:15 - Jesus commands the apostles to preach (not write) the gospel to the world. Jesus gives no commandment to the apostles to write, and gives them no indication that the oral apostolic word he commanded them to communicate would later die in the fourth century. If Jesus wanted Christianity to be limited to a book (which would be finalized four centuries later), wouldn't He have said a word about it?



Luke 10:16 - He who hears you (not "who reads your writings"), hears me. The oral word passes from Jesus to the apostles to their successors by the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit. This succession has been preserved in the Holy Catholic Church.



Luke 24:47 - Jesus explains that repentance and forgiveness of sins must be preached (not written) in Christ's name to all nations. For Protestants to argue that the word of God is now limited to a book (subject to thousands of different interpretations) is to not only ignore Scripture, but introduce a radical theory about how God spreads His word which would have been unbelievable to the people at the time of Jesus.



Acts 2:3-4 - the Holy Spirit came to the apostles in the form of "tongues" of fire so that they would "speak" (not just write) the Word.



Acts 15:27 - Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God's infallible Word by "word of mouth."



Rom. 10:8 - the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).



Rom. 10:17 - faith comes by what is "heard" (not just read) which is the Word that is "preached" (not read). This word comes from the oral tradition of the apostles. Those in countries where the Scriptures are not available can still come to faith in Jesus Christ.



1 Cor. 15:1,11 - faith comes from what is "preached" (not read). For non-Catholics to argue that oral tradition once existed but exists no longer, they must prove this from Scripture. But no where does Scripture say oral tradition died with the apostles. To the contrary, Scripture says the oral word abides forever.



Gal. 1:11-12 - the Gospel which is "preached" (not read) to me is not a man's Gospel, but the Revelation of Jesus Christ.



Eph. 1:13 - hearing (not reading) the Word of truth is the gospel of our salvation. This is the living word in the Church's living tradition.



Col. 1:5 - of this you have "heard" (not read) before in the word of truth, the Gospel which has come to you.



1 Thess. 2:13 - the Word of God is what you have "heard" (not read). The orally communicated word of God lasts forever, and this word is preserved within the Church by the Holy Spirit.



2 Tim. 1:13 - oral communications are protected by the Spirit. They abide forever. Oral authority does not die with the apostles.



2 Tim. 4:2,6-7 - Paul, at the end of his life, charges Timothy to preach (not write) the Word. Oral teaching does not die with Paul.



Titus 1:3 - God's word is manifested "through preaching" (not writing). This "preaching" is the tradition that comes from the apostles.



1 Peter 1:25 - the Word of the Lord abides forever and that Word is the good news that was "preached" (not read) to you. Because the Word is preached by the apostles and it lasts forever, it must be preserved by the apostles' successors, or this could not be possible. Also, because the oral word abides forever, oral apostolic tradition could not have died in the fourth century with all teachings being committed to Scripture.



2 Peter 1:12, 15 - Peter says that he will leave a "means to recall these things in mind." But since this was his last canonical epistle, this "means to recall" must therefore be the apostolic tradition and teaching authority of his office that he left behind.



2 John 1:12; 3 John 13 - John prefers to speak and not to write. Throughout history, the Word of God was always transferred orally and Jesus did not change this. To do so would have been a radical departure from the Judaic tradition.



Deut. 31:9-12 - Moses had the law read only every seven years. Was the word of God absent during the seven year interval? Of course not. The Word of God has always been given orally by God's appointed ones, and was never limited to Scripture.



Isa. 40:8 - the grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God (not necessarily written) will stand forever.



Isa. 59:21 - Isaiah prophesies the promise of a living voice to hand on the Word of God to generations by mouth, not by a book. This is either a false prophecy, or it has been fulfilled by the Catholic Church.



Joel 1:3 - tell your children of the Word of the Lord, and they tell their children, and their children tell another generation.



Mal. 2:7 - the lips of a priest guard knowledge, and we should seek instruction from his mouth. Protestants want to argue all oral tradition was committed to Scripture? But no where does Scripture say this.



Learning through Oral Apostolic Tradition

Matt. 15:3 - Jesus condemns human traditions that void God's word. Some Protestants use this verse to condemn all tradition. But this verse has nothing to do with the tradition we must obey that was handed down to us from the apostles. (Here, the Pharisees, in their human tradition, gave goods to the temple to avoid taking care of their parents, and this voids God's law of honoring one's father and mother.)



Mark 7:9 - this is the same as Matt. 15:3 - there is a distinction between human tradition (that we should reject) and apostolic tradition (that we must accept).



Gal. 1:14; Col. 2:22 – Paul also writes about “the traditions of my fathers” and “human precepts and doctrines” which regarded the laws of Judaism. These traditions are no longer necessary.



Acts 2:42 - the members obeyed apostolic tradition (doctrine, prayers, and the breaking of bread). Their obedience was not to the Scriptures alone. Tradition (in Greek, "paradosis") means "to hand on" teaching.



Acts 20:7 - this verse gives us a glimpse of Christian worship on Sunday, but changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday is understood primarily from oral apostolic tradition.



John 17:20 - Jesus prays for all who believe in Him through the oral word of the apostles. Jesus protects oral apostolic teaching.



1 Cor. 11:2 - Paul commends the faithful for maintaining the apostolic tradition that they have received. The oral word is preserved and protected by the Spirit.



Eph. 4:20 – Paul refers the Ephesians to the oral tradition they previously received when he writes, “You did not so learn Christ!”



Phil. 4:9 - Paul says that what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do. This refers to learning from his preaching and example, which is apostolic tradition.



Col. 1:5-6 – of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, which has come to you. This delivery of the faith refers to the oral tradition the Colossians had previously received from the ordained leaders of the Church. This oral tradition is called the gospel of truth.



1 Thess.1:5 – our gospel came to you not only in word, but in the power of the Holy Spirit. Paul is referring to the oral tradition which the Thessalonians had previously received. There is never any instruction to abandon these previous teachings; to the contrary, they are to be followed as the word of God.



1 Thess. 4:2 – Paul again refers the Thessalonians to the instructions they already had received, which is the oral apostolic tradition.



2 Thess. 2:5 – Paul yet again refers the Thessalonians to the previous teachings they received from Paul when he taught them orally. These oral teachings are no less significant than the written teachings.



2 Thess. 2:15 - Paul clearly commands us in this verse to obey oral apostolic tradition. He says stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, either by word of mouth or letter. This verse proves that for apostolic authority, oral and written communications are on par with each other. Protestants must find a verse that voids this commandment to obey oral tradition elsewhere in the Bible, or they are not abiding by the teachings of Scripture.



2 Thess. 2:15 - in fact, it was this apostolic tradition that allowed the Church to select the Bible canon (apostolicity was determined from tradition). Since all the apostles were deceased at the time the canon was decided, the Church had to rely on the apostolic tradition of their successors. Hence, the Bible is an apostolic tradition of the Catholic Church. This also proves that oral tradition did not cease with the death of the last apostle. Other examples of apostolic tradition include the teachings on the Blessed Trinity, the hypostatic union (Jesus had a divine and human nature in one person), the filioque (that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son), the assumption of Mary, and knowing that the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew.



2 Thess. 3:6 - Paul again commands the faithful to live in accord with the tradition that they received from the apostles.



2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul tells them they already know how to imitate the elders. He is referring them to the tradition they have learned by his oral preaching and example.



1 Tim. 6:20 - guard what has been "entrusted" to you. The word "entrusted" is "paratheke" which means a "deposit." Oral tradition is part of what the Church has always called the Deposit of Faith.



2 Tim. 2:2 - Paul says what you have heard from me entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. This is "tradition," or the handing on of apostolic teaching.



2 Tim. 3:14 - continue in what you have learned and believed knowing from whom you learned it (by oral tradition).



1 John 2:7 – John refers to the oral word his disciples have heard which is the old commandment that we love one another.



Examples of Jesus' and the Apostles' Reliance on Oral Tradition

Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is oral tradition. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.



Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the oral tradition of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.



John 19:26; 20:2; 21:20,24 - knowing that the "beloved disciple" is John is inferred from Scripture, but is also largely oral tradition.



Acts 20:35 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the apostles for this statement ("it is better to give than to receive") of Jesus. It is not recorded in the Gospels.



1 Cor. 7:10 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the apostles to give the charge of Jesus that a wife should not separate from her husband.



1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exodus 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.



Eph 5:14 - Paul relies on oral tradition to quote an early Christian hymn - "awake O sleeper rise from the dead and Christ shall give you light."



Heb. 11:37 - the author of Hebrews relies on the oral tradition of the martyrs being sawed in two. This is not recorded in the Old Testament.



Jude 9 - Jude relies on the oral tradition of the Archangel Michael's dispute with satan over Moses' body. This is not found in the Old Testament.



Jude 14-15 - Jude relies on the oral tradition of Enoch's prophecy which is not recorded in the Old Testament.





<<4. priests are called "father" & 6. they call the pope "the holy father">>



The Elders of the Church are Called "Fathers" and the Faithful "Children"

Matt. 23:9 - Jesus says, "call no man father." But Protestants use this verse in an attempt to prove that it is wrong for Catholics to call priests "father." This is an example of "eisegesis" (imposing one's views upon a passage) as opposed to "exegesis" (drawing out the meaning of the passage from its context). In this verse, Jesus was discouraging His followers from elevating the scribes and Pharisees to the titles of “fathers” and “rabbis” because they were hypocrites. Jesus warns us not to elevate anyone to the level of our heavenly Father.



Matt. 23:8 – in this teaching, Jesus also says not to call anyone teacher or rabbi as well. But don’t Protestants call their teachers “teacher?” What about this commandment of Jesus? When Protestants say “call no man father,” they must also argue that we cannot call any man teacher either.



Judges 17:10; 18:19 - priesthood and fatherhood have always been identified together. Fatherhood literally means "communicating one's nature," and just as biological fathers communicate their nature to their children, so do spiritual fathers communicate the nature of God to us, their children, through (hopefully) teaching and example.



Eph. 3:14-15 - every family in heaven and on earth is named from the "Father." We are fathers in the Father.



Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called "fathers." Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don't Protestants call their pastors "father?"



1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, "I became your father in Christ Jesus."



1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful "child" in the Lord.



2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his "children" the Corinthians.



Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy's service to him as a son serves a "father."



1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders' ministry to the people like a father with his children.



1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true "child" in the faith and his son.



Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true "child" in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.



Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the "father" of Onesimus.



Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly "fathers." But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).



1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his "son."



1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church "fathers."



1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church "children."



1 Macc. 2:65 - Mattathias the priest tells his sons that Simeon will be their "father."



The Lord, Mary, the Apostles and Others Refer to Spiritual Leaders as "Fathers"

Matt. 3:9; Luke 3:8 - Jesus refers to Abraham as our "father."



Mark 11:10 - the people cried out blessed is the kingdom of our "father" David that is coming!



Luke 1:32 - God's angel says Jesus will be great and be given the throne of his "father" David.



Luke 1:55 - Mary says that He spoke to our "fathers," to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.



Luke 1:73 - Zechariah says the oath which he swore to our "father" Abraham.



Luke 16:24,30 - Jesus, in His parable about the rich man, says our "father" Abraham.



John 4:12 - the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if He is greater than our "father" Jacob.



John 7:22 - Jesus refers to the "fathers" who gave the Jews the practice of circumcision.



John 8:56 - Jesus tells the Jews your "Father" Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day.



Acts 3:13,25; 5:30 - Peter teaches that the God of our "fathers" glorified His servant Jesus and raised Him to life.



Acts 4:25 - Peter and John pray to God and refer to our "father" David.



Acts 7:11-12, 15,19,38,44-45,51-52 - Stephen refers to our "fathers" in the faith.



Acts 7:32 - Stephen calls God the God of our "fathers."



Acts 13:17,32,36; 24:14; 26:6; 28:17,25 - Paul also refers to the God of our "fathers" in the faith.



Acts 22:3 - Paul says he was educated according to the strict law of our "fathers."



Acts 22:14 - Ananias says the God of our "fathers."



Rom. 4:1 - Paul calls Abraham our "forefather."



Rom. 4:16-17 - Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of us all and the "father" of many nations.



Rom. 9:10 - Paul calls Isaac, a spiritual leader, our "forefather."



1 Cor. 10:1 - Paul says that our "fathers" were all under the cloud, referring to the Old Testament spiritual leaders.



Gal. 1:14 - Paul says that he was zealous for the tradition of his "fathers."



2 Tim. 1:3 - Paul thanks God whom he serves with a clear conscience as did his "fathers" in faith.



Heb. 1:1 - the author says God spoke of old to our "fathers."



Heb. 3:9 - the Holy Spirit says that your "fathers" put me to the test.



Heb. 8:9 - God says not like the covenant that I made with their "fathers."



James 2:21 - James says was not our "father" Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac?



1 Peter 1:18 - Peter says you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your "fathers."



2 Peter 3:4 - Peter says ever since the "fathers" fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning.



Other Examples Where Jesus Uses the Word "Father" When Teaching

Matt. 15:4-5; 19:19 - Jesus uses "father" when He teaches God's commandment to "Honor your father and your mother."



Mark 7:10-12; Luke 18:20 - these are more examples of Jesus using "father" when teaching about honoring our fathers and mothers.



Eph. 6:2,4 - Paul also teaches to honor your "father" and mother, and says "fathers," do not provoke your children.



Matt. 10:21; 35,37; Mark 13:12 - Jesus says "father" will deliver up his child in the last days.



Matt. 19:5; Mark 10:7,19 - Jesus says a man shall leave his "father" and mother and be joined to his wife. See also Eph. 5:31.



Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30 - Jesus says whoever has left mother or "father" for His sake shall receive a hundredfold.



Matt. 21:31 - Jesus uses "father" when he teaches about the parable of the two sons and asks, "who did the will of his "father?"



Luke 6:23,26 - Jesus speaks about reward and punishment with reference to what their "fathers" did to the prophets.



Luke 11:11 - Jesus says what "father" among you will give his child a serpent when he asks for a fish.



Luke 11:47-48 - Jesus tells the lawyers they are witnesses to the deeds of their "fathers."



Luke 14:26 - Jesus says we must leave our "fathers" and mothers and come to him, or we cannot be His disciple.



Luke 15:12,17-18,20-22,27-29 - Jesus repeatedly uses "father" when teaching about the prodigal son.



Luke 16:27 - Jesus uses "father" when teaching about the rich man in purgatory.



John 6:49,58 - Jesus says your "fathers" ate the manna in the wilderness and died.





<<5. they forbid priests from marrying>>



Celibacy is Church Practice, Not Dogma

Matt. 19:11-12 - Jesus says celibacy is a gift from God and whoever can bear it should bear it. Jesus praises and recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church. Because celibacy is a gift from God, those who criticize the Church's practice of celibacy are criticizing God and this wonderful gift He bestows on His chosen ones.



Matt. 19:29 - Jesus says that whoever gives up children for the sake of His name will receive a hundred times more and will inherit eternal life. Jesus praises celibacy when it is done for the sake of His kingdom.



Matt. 22:30 - Jesus explains that in heaven there are no marriages. To bring about Jesus' kingdom on earth, priests live the heavenly consecration to God by not taking a wife in marriage. This way, priests are able to focus exclusively on the spiritual family, and not have any additional pressures of the biological family (which is for the vocation of marriage). This also makes it easier for priests to be transferred to different parishes where they are most needed without having to worry about the impact of their transfer on wife and children.



1 Cor 7:1 – Paul teaches that it is well for a man not to touch a woman. This is the choice that the Catholic priests of the Roman rite freely make.



1 Cor. 7:7 - Paul also acknowledges that celibacy is a gift from God and wishes that all were celibate like he is.



1 Cor. 7:27 – Paul teaches men that they should not seek marriage. In Paul’s opinion, marriage introduces worldly temptations that can interfere with one’s relationship with God, specifically regarding those who will become full-time ministers in the Church.



1 Cor. 7:32-33, 38 - Paul recommends celibacy for full-time ministers in the Church so that they are able to focus entirely upon God and building up His kingdom. He “who refrains from marriage will do better.”



1 Tim. 3:2 - Paul instructs that bishops must be married only once. Many Protestants use this verse to prove that the Church's celibacy law is in error. But they are mistaken because this verse refers to bishops that were widowers. Paul is instructing that these widowers could not remarry. The verse also refers to those bishops who were currently married. They also could not remarry (in the Catholic Church's Eastern rite, priests are allowed to marry; celibacy is only a disciplinary rule for the clergy of the Roman rite). Therefore, this text has nothing to do with imposing a marriage requirement on becoming a bishop.



1 Tim. 4:3 - in this verse, Paul refers to deceitful doctrines that forbid marriage. Many non-Catholics also use this verse to impugn the Church's practice of celibacy. This is entirely misguided because the Catholic Church (unlike many Protestant churches) exalts marriage to a sacrament. In fact, marriage is elevated to a sacrament, but consecrated virginity is not. The Church declares marriage sacred, covenantal and lifegiving. Paul is referring to doctrines that forbid marriage and other goods when done outside the teaching of Christ and for a lessor good. Celibacy is an act of giving up one good (marriage and children) for a greater good (complete spiritual union with God).



1 Tim. 5:9-12 - Paul recommends that older widows take a pledge of celibacy. This was the beginning of women religious orders.



2 Tim. 2:3-4 - Paul instructs his bishop Timothy that no soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim his to satisfy the One who enlisted him. Paul is using an analogy to describe the role of the celibate priesthood in the Church.



Rev. 14:4 - unlike our sinful world of the flesh, in heaven, those consecrated to virginity are honored.



Isaiah 56:3-7 - the eunuchs who keep God's covenant will have a special place in the kingdom of heaven.



Jer. 16:1-4 - Jeremiah is told by God not to take a wife or have children.





<<7. they forbid the eating of meat.>>



The manner in which you present this claim makes it appear as if all Catholics must be vegetarian. Not so. Catholics can eat meat whenever with only one exception: Lenten Fridays when Catholics traditionally fast from meat.





<<8. they dont recognize jesus as god, he is merely a "person" in a "trinity" of gods.>>



The Holy Trinity is One God in three Beings, not three gods in three beings. Think of the Holy Trinity as three different "manifestations" of the same One God.



As far as Jesus Himself goes, He is Divine:



Jesus Christ's Witnesses Claim that Jesus is God

John 1:1 - John writes, "the Word was God." This is clear evidence of Jesus Christ's divinity. (Note: in the Jehovah's bible, the passage was changed to "Word was a god." This is not only an embarrassing attempt to deny the obvious divinity of Christ, but it also violates the first commandment and Isaiah 43:10 because it acknowledges that there is more than one God).



John 1:2-3 - He (the Word) was in the beginning with God and all things were made through Him (the Word who was God).



John 1:14 - the Word (who is God) became flesh (Jesus) and dwelled among us, full of grace and truth.



John 1:18 - the Greek word for "only-begotten" is "monogenes" which means unique, only member of a kind. It does not mean created.



John 1:51 - the angels of God - Matt. 13:41 - Son of Man's angels; 2 Thess. 1:7 - Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His angels.



John 3:5 - Jesus says without baptism one cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - Col. 1:13 - Paul says this is Jesus' Kingdom.



John 6:68-69 - Peter confesses that Jesus is the Son of God who has the words of eternal life.



Acts 2:36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ - Acts 4:24 - Sovereign Lord who made heaven and earth. This means Jesus is God.



Acts 3:15 - Peter said the men of Israel "killed the Author of Life." This can only be God - Acts 14:15 - who made all things.



Acts 20:28 - to care for the Church of God which He obtained with His own blood. This means God shed His blood. When? When He died on the cross. This means Jesus is God.



Rom. 1:1 - Paul is an apostle of the Gospel of God - Rom. 15:19 - Paul preached the Gospel of Christ.



Rom. 7:22 - Paul says he delights in the law of God - Gal. 6:2 - Paul says fulfill the law of Christ.



Rom. 8:9 - Paul refers to both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.



Rom. 9:5 - Jesus Christ is God over all, blessed forever.



Rom. 11:36 - God for from Him through Him and to Him are all things - Heb. 2:10 - Jesus for whom and by whom are all things.



1 Cor. 15:9 - Paul says he persecuted the Church of God - Matt. 16:18; Rom. 16:16 - it is the Church of Jesus Christ.



1 Cor. 15:28 - God may be all in all - Colossians 3:11 - Christ is all and in all.



Gal. 1:5 - God the Father to whom be the glory forever - 2 Peter 3:18 - to Jesus Christ be the glory both now and forever.



Phil. 2:6-7 - Jesus was in the form of God, but instead of asserting His equality with God, emptied Himself for us.



Col. 1:15 - Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the "firstborn" of all creation. The Greek word for "first-born" is "prototokos" which means eternal preexistence (it never means created).



Col. 1:26 - God's saints - 1 Thess. 3:13 - at the coming of Jesus Christ with all His saints.



Col. 2:9 - in Jesus Christ the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. He is the whole and entire fullness of the indivisible God in the flesh.



Titus 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of God - Rom. 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of Jesus Christ.



Titus 1:3-4 - God our Savior = Christ our Savior = Jesus Christ is God.



Titus 2:11 - the grace of God that has appeared to save all men - Acts 15:11 - through the grace of Jesus we have salvation.



Titus 2:13 - we await our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.



Titus 3:4 - 3:6 - great God and Savior Jesus Christ = God our Savior = Jesus Christ our Savior = Jesus is God.



Heb. 1:6 - when God brings His first-born into the world, let all the angels of God worship Him. Only God is worshiped.



Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son "God." But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever."



Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son "God." "Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee."



Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son "Lord." "And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work."



Heb. 13:12 - Paul says Jesus sanctifies the people with His blood - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the God of peace sanctifies the people.



2 Peter 1:1 - to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.



1 John 5:20 - "that we may know Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."



Jude 4 - Jude calls Jesus Christ our only Master and Lord. Our only Master and Lord is God Himself.



Rev. 2:8 - the angel of the church in Smyrna wrote, "The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life." See Isa. 44:6.



Rev. 22:6 - the Lord God sends angels - Rev. 22:16 - Jesus sends angels.



Jesus Christ Claims to be God

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.



Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."



Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.



Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.



Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.



Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.



Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."



Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.



Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.



Mark 14:36 - Jesus calls God "Abba," Aramaic for daddy, which was an absolutely unprecedented address to God and demonstrates Jesus' unique intimacy with the Father.



Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.



Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.



Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.



John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.



John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.



John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."



John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."



John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.



John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."



John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.



John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.



John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.



John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.



John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the Son of God."



John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.



John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God the Son.



John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and Lord and you are right for so I AM."



John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.



John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.



John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the Father and has come into the world."



John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His glory which He had before the foundation of the world.



John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to the Father from our relationship by saying "My Father and your Father."



Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.



Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.



Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says "I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of Jesus Christ our Lord and God.



Rev. 2:8 - Jesus again says, "The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life." When did God die and come to life? In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.



Jesus' Miracles Testify that He is God

Matt. 1:23; Mark 1:27,35 - Jesus was conceived in the virginal womb of the Blessed Mother.



Matt. 3:16-17; Mark 1:10-11; John 1:32 - God's Spirit descends upon Jesus and the Father declares Jesus to be His Son.



Matt. 4:23-24; 9:35;15:30; Mark 1:34; 3:10; 6:5; Luke 4:40; 7:10; 13:13; 14:4; John 4:52 - Jesus miraculously cures illness and disease.



Matt. 7:35 - Jesus cures a deaf person with a speech impediment.



Matt. 8:3; Mark 1:41; Luke 5:13; 17:14 - Jesus cures leprosy.



Matt. 9:21-22; Mark 5:27-34; Luke 8:44 - the hem of Jesus' cloak cures the woman with the hemorrhage. See also Matt. 14:36.



Matt. 8:13; 9:7; Mark 2:9; Luke 5:25 - Jesus cures those who are paralyzed.



Matt. 8:15; Mark 1:31; Luke 4:39 - Jesus cures Peter's mother-in-law's fever.



Matt. 8:26; Mark 4:39; Luke 8:24 - Jesus calms the storm. Even the wind and sea obey Him.



Matt. 8:32; 9:33; 12:22; 15:28; 17:18; Mark 1:26,34; 3:11; 5:13; 7:30; 9:26; Luke 4:35,41; 8:33; 9:42; 11:14 - Jesus has power over demons.



Matt. 9:4; 12:25; Luke 6:8; 11:17 - Jesus knows people's thoughts.



Matt. 9:25; Mark 5:24; John 11:44 - Jesus raises people from the dead.



Matt. 9:30; 12:22; 20:34; 21:14; Mark 8:25; 10:52; Luke 7:21; 18:42; John 9:11 - Jesus cures the blind.



Matt. 12:13; Mark 3:5; Luke 6:10 - Jesus cures the man with the withered hand.



Matt. 14:19-20; 5:36-37; Mark 6:41-42; 8:7-8; Luke 9:16-17; John 6:11 - Jesus multiplies the loaves and fish and feeds the crowd of thousands.



Matt. 14:26; Mark 6:48; John 6:19 - Jesus walks on water.



Matt. 15:21; 16:21; 17:9,22; 20:18-19; 26:2; Mark 10:33-34; Luke 9:44; 17:25; 18:32-34 - Jesus predicts His passion.



Matt. 17:2; Mark 9:2; Luke 9:29 - Jesus is transfigured in glory.



Matt. 17:27 - Jesus miraculously has a shekel appear in the mouth of a fish.



Matt. 21:2-3; Mark 11:2; Luke 19:30 - Jesus predicts that a colt would be available for Him.



Matt. 21:19; Mark 11:14,20 - Jesus curses the fig tree and it withers.



Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:2; Luke 21:32 - Jesus predicts the fall of Jerusalem which occurred in 70 A.D.



Matt. 26:21-25; Mark 14:18-20; Luke 22:21; John 13:21,26 - Jesus predicts Judas' betrayal.



Matt. 26:26-28; Mk. 14:22,24; Luke 22;19-20; 1 Cor. 11:24-25 - Jesus changes bread and wine into His body and blood.



Matt. 26:34; Mark 14:30; Luke 22:34; John 13:38 - Jesus predicts Peter's denial.



Matt. 27:51-54; Mark 15:38-39 - supernatural events occur at Jesus' death.



Matt. 28:9; Mark 16:9,12,14; Luke 7:14-15; 8:54-55; 24:5,31,36; John 20:14,19,26; 21:1-14 - Jesus rises from the dead.



Mark 14:13; Luke 22:10 - Jesus predicts that a man carrying a jug of water will show them the furnished room for the Passover.



Mark 16:19; Luke 24:51 - Jesus ascends into heaven.



Luke 2:13-14 - the angels praise Jesus' birth.



Luke 5:7; John 21:6 - Jesus directs the miraculous catch of fish.



Luke 24:31 - Jesus has the ability to vanish out of sight.



John 2:9 - Jesus changes water into wine.



John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred in Rome around 67 A.D.



John 20:19,26 - Jesus has the ability to appear even when the doors are locked.





<<9. the priests pressume to have power to forgive sins.>>



Jesus Christ Granted the Apostles His Authority to Forgive Sins

John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.



John 20:22 - the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.



John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.



Matt. 9:8 - this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to "men." Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles' successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?



Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10 - Christ forgave sins as a man (not God) to convince us that the "Son of man" has authority to forgive sins on earth.



Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.



Matt. 18:18 - the apostles are given authority to bind and loose. The authority to bind and loose includes administering and removing the temporal penalties due to sin. The Jews understood this since the birth of the Church.



John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18 - the power to remit/retain sin is also the power to remit/retain punishment due to sin. If Christ's ministers can forgive the eternal penalty of sin, they can certainly remit the temporal penalty of sin (which is called an "indulgence").



2 Cor. 2:10 - Paul forgives in the presence of Christ (some translations refer to the presences of Christ as "in persona Christi"). Some say that this may also be a reference to sins.



2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.



James 5:15-16 - in verse 15 we see that sins are forgiven by the priests in the sacrament of the sick. This is another example of man's authority to forgive sins on earth. Then in verse 16, James says “Therefore, confess our sins to one another,” in reference to the men referred to in verse 15, the priests of the Church.



1 Tim. 2:5 - Christ is the only mediator, but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.



Lev. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 - even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.





<<10. they believe that the pope, a mere man, is infallible>>



The Church is Infallible and Supernatural

Isa. 35:8, 54:13-17 - this prophecy refers to the Church as the Holy Way where sons will be taught by God and they will not err. The Church has been given the gift of infallibility when teaching about faith and morals, where her sons are taught directly by God and will not err. This gift of infallibility means that the Church is prevented from teaching error by the power of the Holy Spirit (it does not mean that Church leaders do not sin!)



Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14,22 - the early Church is identified as the "Way" prophesied in Isaiah 35:8 where fools will not err therein.



Matt. 10:20; Luke 12:12 - Jesus tells His apostles it is not they who speak, but the Spirit of their Father speaking through them. If the Spirit is the one speaking and leading the Church, the Church cannot err on matters of faith and morals.



Matt. 16:18 - Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.



Matt. 16:19 - for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift.



Matt. 18:17-18 - the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation.



Matt. 28:20 - Jesus promises that He will be with the Church always. Jesus' presence in the Church assures infallible teaching on faith and morals. With Jesus present, we can never be deceived.



Mark 8:33 - non-Catholics sometimes use this verse to down play Peter's authority. This does not make sense. In this verse, Jesus rebukes Peter to show the import of His Messianic role as the Savior of humanity. Moreover, at this point, Peter was not yet the Pope with the keys, and Jesus did not rebuke Peter for his teaching. Jesus rebuked Peter for his lack of understanding.



Luke 10:16 - whoever hears you, hears me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me. Jesus is very clear that the bishops of the Church speak with Christ's infallible authority.



Luke 22:32 - Jesus prays for Peter, that his faith may not fail. Jesus' prayer for Peter's faith is perfectly efficacious, and this allows Peter to teach the faith without error (which means infallibly).



John 11:51-52 - some non-Catholics argue that sinners cannot have the power to teach infallibly. But in this verse, God allows Caiaphas to prophesy infallibly, even though he was evil and plotted Jesus' death. God allows sinners to teach infallibly, just as He allows sinners to become saints. As a loving Father, He exalts His children, and is bound by His own justice to give His children a mechanism to know truth from error.



1 & 2 Peter - for example, Peter denied Christ, he was rebuked by his greatest bishop (Paul), and yet he wrote two infallible encyclicals. Further, if Peter could teach infallibly by writing, why could he not also teach infallibly by preaching? And why couldn't his successors so teach as well?



Gen. to Deut.; Psalms; Paul - Moses and maybe Paul were murderers and David was an adulterer and murderer, but they also wrote infallibly. God uses us sinful human beings because when they respond to His grace and change their lives, we give God greater glory and His presence is made more manifest in our sinful world.



John 14:16 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would be with the Church forever. The Spirit prevents the teaching of error on faith and morals. It is guaranteed because the guarantee comes from God Himself who cannot lie.



John 14:26 - Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization, cloning and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.



John 16:12 - Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn't bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church's infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God's Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.



John 16:13 - Jesus promises that the Spirit will "guide" the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.



1 Cor. 2:13 – Paul explains that what the ministers teach is taught, not by human wisdom, but by the Spirit. The ministers are led to interpret and understand the spiritual truths God gives them over time.



Eph. 4:13,15 – Paul indicates that attaining to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to mature manhood is a process. We are to grow up in every way into Christ. Doctrine (which means “teaching”) develops as we understand God’s Revelation.



Acts 15:27-28 - the apostles know that their teaching is being guided by the Holy Spirit. He protects the Church from deception.



Gal. 2:11-14 - non-Catholics sometimes use this verse to diminish Peter's evident authority over the Church. This is misguided. In this verse, Paul does not oppose Peter's teaching, but his failure to live by it. Infallibility (teaching without error) does not mean impeccability (living without sinning). Peter was the one who taught infallibly on the Gentile's salvation in Acts 10,11. With this rebuke, Paul is really saying "Peter, you are our leader, you teach infallibly, and yet your conduct is inconsistent with these facts. You of all people!" The verse really underscores, and not diminishes, the importance of Peter's leadership in the Church.



Eph. 3:10 - the wisdom of God is known, even to the intellectually superior angels, through the Church (not the Scriptures). This is an incredible verse, for it tells us that God's infinite wisdom comes to us through the Church. For that to happen, the Church must be protected from teaching error on faith and morals (or she wouldn't be endowed with the wisdom of God).



Eph. 3:9 - this, in fact, is a mystery hidden for all ages - that God manifests His wisdom through one infallible Church for all people.



Eph. 3:20 - God's glory is manifested in the Church by the power of the Spirit that works within the Church's leaders. As a Father, God exalts His children to roles of leadership within the body of Christ.



Eph. 5:23-27, Col. 1:18 - Christ is the head of the Church, His Bride, for which He died to make it Holy and without blemish. There is only one Church, just as Christ only has one Bride.



Eph. 5:32- Paul calls the Church a "mystery." This means that the significance of the Church as the kingdom of God in our midst cannot be understood by reason alone. Understanding the Church also requires faith. "Church" does not mean a building of believers. That is not a mystery. Non-Catholics often view church as mere community, but not the supernatural mystery of Christ physically present among us.



1 Thess. 5:21 - Paul commands us to test everything. But we must have something against which to test. This requires one infallible guide that is available to us, and this guide is the Catholic Church, whose teachings on faith and morals have never changed.



1 Tim. 3:15 - Paul says the apostolic Church (not Scripture) is the pillar and foundation of the truth. But for the Church to be the pinnacle and foundation of truth, she must be protected from teaching error, or infallible. She also must be the Catholic Church, whose teachings on faith and morals have not changed for 2,000 years. God loves us so much that He gave us a Church that infallibly teaches the truth so that we have the fullness of the means of salvation in His only begotten Son.



1 John 4:6 – John writes that whoever knows God “listens to us” (the bishops and successors to the apostles). Then John writes “This is the way we discern truth and error. John does not say “reading the Bible is the way we discern truth and error.” But if listening to mere human beings helps us discern truth and error, God would have had to endow his chosen leaders with the special gift of infallibility, so that they would be prevented from teaching error.



Matt. to Rev. - we must also note that not all Christian doctrines are explicit in Scripture (for example, the dogma of the Blessed Trinity). However, infallibility is strongly inferred from the foregoing passages. Non-Catholic Christians should ask themselves why they accept the Church's teaching on the three persons of the Trinity, the two natures of Christ in one divine person, and the New Testament canon of Scripture (all defined by the Catholic Church), but not other teachings regarding the Eucharist, Mary, the saints, and purgatory?


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