The "Traditional Family" and the "Sanctity of Marriage" fallacies...?

Question

ive heard this a few times, Christians saying that same-sex marriage and parenthood should not occur because it violates the "traditional family" or "normal family" and the "sanctity of marriage"

Traditional Family: Were talking about the Mum, Dad and the 2.2 Children right? Guess what... that is by far in the minority... excluding same-sex families... we have de-facto families... mixed families (as in step-kids, half-siblings, etc)... we have adopted families... we have the single-parent families... the guardian families...

so christians... should de-factos, ex-married people with kids, and divorced parents all have there kids taken away from them... and banned from having children... because they also violate the so-called "normal family"... well?

Sanctity of Marriage: HAHAHAHA... what the same sanctity of marriage that allows drunk people in Vegas to marry people they dont even know... the same sanctity of marriage that allows Celebrities to get married and divorced a day later for a bit of fun... the same sanctity of marriage that allows a man to marry and re-marry 43 women over 14 yeears... there is no sanctity of marriage... marriage is a ceremony that is financial and basically representative of "love"... so christians what sanctifies marriage more: a loving marriage between a man and a man that last a lifetime, or marriage between a man and a woman formed on hate that lasts all of 24 hours? (and guess which one is legal)

Answer 1

Tell me about it. I know the hypocrisy. Whether a God exists or not, I don't know, but there is nothing ''sacred'', ''divine'' etc. about a marriage.

Answer 2

I agree that it's a homophobic device to talk about the sanctity of marriage just so one can deny homosexual couples happiness. I would, however, take issue with the rest of what you say. The fact is that many people cohabit, marry after having a child, have open relationships and get divorced. They also marry in haste and regret it, and those people should have a way out of that kind of relationship. I myself am married and will have been so for sixteen years tomorrow. It's OK - works well for me. I don't expect anyone else to follow suit because i'm Christian, which involves not judging lest i be judged, and recognising that people's moral choices are between God and them.



However, you have to look at what marriage is. Many people would regard it as a promise to stay together forever despite what life throws at them or how either of them might change - "love is not love which alters when it alteration finds", as Shakespeare once said. The thing about promising is that its very meaning is placing oneself under an obligation. That is completely irrevocable, no matter what. One has a duty, before one makes any kind of promise, to think as fully as possible about what bad things could happen if one kept it. Once one has done that, though, one is under an absolute, cast-iron, 100% unrescindable obligation to honour that promise no matter what, even if the skies will fall and everyone in the world will suffer and die horribly as a result of one keeping that promise. Therefore, the sanctity of marriage doesn't depend on any of that stuff, but on the fact that for many people it's a vow, and that's sacrosanct in a completely non-religious sense.



Therefore, it's hardly surprising that Jesus told us not to make promises, and as a result, marriage is anti-Christian.

Answer 3

I do not believe in marriage. I believe that if two people want to have sex, share their property or make a pledge not to incriminate one another, they do not need the permission of any third party to do so; and if they decide mutually to terminate any such arrangement, again, they need no-one else's permission.



The so-called "traditional family" is a historical aberration. Human beings are gregarious predators, and the natural social unit is the tribe: several families living together, with a loosely-defined hierarchy, subverted where necessary by individual specialisations, but in which generally all adults are collectively responsible for all children.

Answer 4

I'lll suggest to you that Vegas and celebrity antics are not the Sanctity discussed.



You provide the very examples of the incrementalism that is harming marriage. One step at a time, rationalized by the prior step leading to marriage between any number of folks being OK (the majority of those on R/S who support gay marriage also support polygamy/polyandry).

Answer 5

LOLz.



Oh noes, I has done wrongz. This bad monogamous athliestit has married and had 3 children contravening holy rites and precepts saved only for the god-fearing members of society. Must....divorce...naw.... I can has no moralz.



'k thnx bai

Answer 6

the link below demonstrates biblical marriage - please look



Left Breathless - why not let same-sex couples marry and see? then that should demonstrate that people are equal instead of empty rhetoric



fmko - isn't that what many christians try to do?

Answer 7

christians say a lot of things, but what does god say? he says he loves all his children, he says all are created equal under him. so in this knowledge is it not human hatred that governs acts of control? if they want to marry let them, jesus married a whore, so they say, but she was not a bad woman. as for men on men, i find they are good people. it is often a mixed up soul anyhow, a man in a woman or woman in a man. besides who are they to tell them otherwise. they are only human after all.

Answer 8

i really want to see fmko's list of fallices, i just see a list which gets worse and worse

Answer 9

I believe this is known as a straw-man.

Answer 10

Now you know why this world is in chaos. Look at what you are writing. As the family is destroyed so will this world be and judgment upon it's inhabitants.

Answer 11

hmmmm.....I see some storeowner is still selling their leftover lead-based paint!

Answer 12

so waht makes you gay people think once you get married you will stay married?????

Answer 13

your fallacy seems to mix traditional view with today's view...funny how you can't see your own fallacy...