Question:
Serious ? for the antiabortionists people?
anonymous
2008-09-15 17:34:12 UTC
do life begin at conception?

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood

1591 Pope Gregory XIV said a new person did not exist until "quickening" the first noticeable movement in a woman's womb

quickening happens around 18-20 weeks that's also around the same time the fetus develops blood

So an abortion before that IS NOT MURDER
Eleven answers:
Gary
2008-09-15 21:34:11 UTC
A sperm is alive, and an egg is alive, so shouldn't life begin before conception? Menstruation is murder, and male masturbation is genocide!
LilLaTLuv
2008-09-16 00:53:20 UTC
Hey!



Well, then, what does God’s Word, the Bible, indicate about abortion? It shows that God has high regard for human life right from its very start. His law to ancient Israel stated: “In case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul.”—Exodus 21:22-25. In other words, if a man killed the baby through that fatal accident, he should be put to death himself.



Significantly, nothing said here or elsewhere in Scripture indicates that the age of the embryo or fetus should be a factor in determining whether to have an abortion. Since God sets forth no such qualifications, it would be inappropriate for anyone else to try doing so.



It is important to realize that life is passed on, not at birth, but, rather, when conception occurs. It is then, says the Encyclopædia Britannica, that “the life-history of the individual, as a distinct and biological entity, begins.” God certainly has regard for human life prior to birth, for the divinely inspired psalmist David said of him: “Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them.”—Psalms 139:16.



Interestingly, David continues: “So, to me how precious your thoughts are! O God, how much does the grand sum of them amount to!” (Psalms 139:17) Yes, David had an obvious desire to comply with the will of God, who was so concerned about human life. Do you feel the same way?



If so, then you probably have concluded correctly that induced abortion is a sin against Almighty God, a criminal act in his eyes.



According to God’s law given through Moses, the human embryo or lotus was considered a life. (Exodus 21:22, 23 quoted earlier) The Bible book of First John, chapter 3 verse 15, says: “You know that no manslayer has everlasting life remaining in him.” Revelation 22:15 declares: “Outside are . . . those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone liking and carrying on a lie.”



Abortion IS murder. I don't care what any pope or man says. I follow the Bible.



Hope that helps! Have a great day!



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Tashi :)
Martin S
2008-09-16 00:45:34 UTC
quickening happens around 18-20 weeks that's also around the same time the fetus develops blood



Really? So what is the heart pumping all of the time before that?



http://www.fetalsure.com/fetal-heart.html



The heart begins to beat on approximately the twenty-second day, which corresponds to the 5th week of 40 week pregnancy based on LMP.



Starting at week 5 the fetal heart will accelerate at a rate of 3.3 beats per day for the next month.



The fetal heart begins to beat at approximately the same rate as the mothers, which is 80 to 85 bpm. Below illustrates the approximate fetal heart rate for weeks 5 to 9, assuming a starting rate of 80
sweetgurl13069
2008-09-16 00:48:50 UTC
I don't care if you "prove" that life doesn't begin with the moment of conception. You are using an ancient book to make your point and use as your "proof", which doesn't really prove a thing. But in my personal opinion, ABORTION IS ALL AND OUT MURDER!!!!!!! In my opionion, life does begin at conception and no matter what anyone says, my mind will not change on that.
thundercatt9
2008-09-16 00:52:43 UTC
Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell — a zygote.”



In other words, human life begins at conception. That is not a religious posture, but a scientific fact. What we do with that understanding is another matter, but no one in the 21st century should pretend not to know when human life begins.
Illuminator
2008-09-16 00:56:19 UTC
They did not have the same knowledge of fetology in 1591, and the teaching of the Church on abortion has not changed in 2000 years. It is murder.



Pope Gregory had an opinion based on limited knowledge, he did not make an infallible declaration. They don't say that on CSI.



You will not find a single medical scientist anywhere in the world that says life doesn't begin at conception. I challenge you to find one. Your argument is fundamentally flawed.



The offering of children as sacrifices to pagan gods and modern day abortion HAS THE SAME MOTIVE.



We know what the word “sacrifice” means. It means the surrender of something precious to the god in whom a person believes. Sacrifices have been part of world religions since the dawn of recorded history. Without exception, the deities of all the religions of the ancient world demanded sacrifices in their honor. The Egyptians and Babylonians, the Greeks and Romans, the deities of pre-Christian India and of the continent of Africa required that their adherents offer what we call sacrifices in their name.



What is less well known, however, is that these religions also required the sacrifice of children as an oblation and even as a condition, for obtaining blessings from the gods. We read in the Office of Readings for today’s Divine Office that the Lord spoke through the prophet Jeremiah, charging the Jews of imitating the pagans in their practice of child homicide. Said the Lord, “They have built high places for Baal to immolate their sons in fire as holocausts to Baal: such a thing as I neither commanded nor spoke of, nor did it ever enter my mind.”



As we read statements like foregoing, we ask ourselves: how could human beings be so deluded as to seriously believe that their gods required human sacrifice as a condition for receiving divine favors? The key word is “deluded.” Thirty years of teaching comparative religion has taught me that there is no limit to the irrational, indeed insane, practices that religious mythology will not put into practice as a mandate from the deities in whom they believed. Thus we read in the history of the Aztecs in South America before Columbus that they would kill up to ten thousand children on a major feastday in honor of one of their gods. Although seldom mentioned, infanticide as a religious ritual was practiced in India before its colonization by Great Britain.



We return to the theses that should be explored far beyond the time we can give it in this conference. Abortion as the widespread practice that it has become today is incredibly a religious practice. It is inspired by the evil spirits who, in Christian terms, were and are the malignant deities of paganism. These deities, often goddesses, demanded the sacrifice of children to be propitiated. Unless children were killed and offered to these gods, they would avenge their anger against the people in the most devastating ways.



http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Abortion_Euthanasia/Abortion_Euthanasia_005.htm



The future of the human race depends on the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion. This is the statement I wish to prove in this lecture.



Before we go any further in my presentation, let me first explain what I mean.



I mean that the survival of the human race depends finally on the acceptance of the Catholic Church’s two thousand years’ teaching that the killing of unborn children is murder.



that abortion is a crime against the divine rights of God over the human beings He created



that God will not long tolerate this world-wide denial of His rights and



therefore that either the world will accept the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion or the future survival of the human race is in jeopardy.



http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Abortion_Euthanasia/Abortion_Euthanasia_007.htm



What Has the 5th and 9th Commandment to Do with Abortion?



In my judgment abortion and euthanasia are at the heart of the crisis that is plaguing and destroying the modern world. I do not intend to address the issue of defending the rights of the unborn or the aged in this discourse. They obviously have these rights, and abortion and euthanasia are serious crimes against the rights of unborn children, the aged and terminally ill. Rather, our focus will be on the rights of God that are being violated by the crimes of abortion and euthanasia in the most homicidal century in human history.



I would like to address myself to two areas of our subject. First, to the sanctity of human life and then to the relationship between chastity and charity to the fifth commandment of the divine decalogue.



When God became man in the person of Jesus Christ and took human flesh of his mother Mary, he introduced an understanding of human life that was simply unknown or ignored in the pagan Roman Empire into which Jesus Christ was born. Abortion and infanticide were legalized in Roman law in the first century of the Christian era. It was assumed that the aged
Franhusda
2008-09-16 00:44:11 UTC
I hold no truck with what papa greg said !



An abortion is killing the fetus and thus prevents a human life for happening, and I believe it is a sin, but no greater sin than theft, telling lies and breaking any of the 10 Commandments is a sin.





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anonymous
2008-09-16 00:41:55 UTC
it may not be the definition of murder, but it is killing, as a fetus, though not conscious, is still a living organism. i am pro choice, but i personally find abortion morally wrong.
Presumptive
2008-09-16 00:39:23 UTC
So are you admitting that anything after that IS murder? That would be a nice place to begin the conversation.
anonymous
2008-09-16 00:39:28 UTC
A clear case of the blind leading the blind



Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
anonymous
2008-09-16 00:37:56 UTC
abortion is murder plain and simple i don't listen to the pope


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