Question:
Is THE UNIVERSE Proof Of The EXISTENCE OF GOD?
?
2009-10-22 06:09:39 UTC
what else could have created something so vast and magnificent, something so sophisticated it makes the most advanced super computers look like naval lint by comparison.

believe it or not, i am both a believer in god and a lover of science ( it is possible ) but science has not even a working theory as to the ultimate origin of life. so is not at least reasonable to assume, or at least speculate, that a higher power played a role in creation? ( yes, i believe in evolution ) but also believe a higher power ( god, to me ) played a pivotal role.

the elements that made up '' the big bang '' had to be created somewhere, somehow, i think that stands as the greatest proof of the existence of a god, higher power.

what other theories are there that explains where it came from? science can only go back as far as the big bang, where did those materials come from?

( just waiting for the insulting answers )
41 answers:
?
2009-10-22 12:42:29 UTC
no

existence is only proof of itself



scientists dont claim to know evyerthing, well, maybe some do, but they dont, we will be finding the answers to lifes big questiosn for thousands if not millions of years to come, and stil fidn more questions



i dont claim to know the hows or whys of existence, but i do accept the answers we have now

thats basically all we can do
zero
2009-10-22 06:16:33 UTC
"so is not at least reasonable to assume, or at least speculate, that a higher power played a role in creation?"



No, it's not reasonable because there is absolutely no reason for it. But, it's not the worst thing in the world so go for it if it pleases you.



"science can only go back as far as the big bang, where did those materials come from?"



No one knows, not even you. Some speculate that energy/matter have always existed, that universes form and collapse all the time. The ideal is to speculate based on evidence and, when no evidence is available, not to just make it up.
B K
2009-10-22 06:24:54 UTC
According to your argument then, everything needs a cause except god. Is it not reasonable to ask how god came into existence, or is that not allowed?



Yours is an argument from personal incredulity, the god-of-the-gaps theory.



You said "science can only go back as far as the big bang". Who says? That's not exactly reasonable is it, and not very rational or scientific. Are you sure you are a "lover of science" and not just a big old troll?
2009-10-22 06:22:08 UTC
If you are going to start a semtence with 'What else could have...' and include words like assume and speculate, don't try to relate them to science.



I will ask you the next logical question, where did god come from? Surely a being so powerful that he 'makes the most advanced super computer look like navel lint' must have had a designer. I mean something as simple as a clock needs a designer, surely something as complex as a god would need one too
2009-10-22 06:18:30 UTC
"what else could have created something so vast and magnificent, something so sophisticated it makes the most advanced super computers look like naval lint by comparison."



Yeah, let's make up all sorts of rules and regulations and attribute these to God, then impose them on all sorts of people regardless of their own personal beliefs . Oh and let's tax them too so their money can be pooled and used to subsidize faith-based education and churches and pastors' stipends and stuff.



I'm certainly open to the idea of a higher power having created the universe, but I seriously doubt that any human being on earth knows, or can know, the true nature of that power, if It exists. Hopefully if our neural net remains somehow intact after death in some other dimension or something, we'll be able to know more.
?
2009-10-22 06:18:56 UTC
For god to create the universe he would have to be outside it. Being outside of the universe he is therefore out of the realm of existence. Being so he does not exist. If you try to argue that he is in the universe you are saying that he would have created himself with the universe contradicting the fact that him being eternal. Also if he was the one who created the universe how was he there before it when nothing existed? What would have told him to create the universe? god does not exist and the big bang makes more sense than god just said let there be this! The universe is enough proof that there is no god. The universe contains life somewhere else and thats a fact. We are not the only ones. For those who doubt it, if there is life there then it looks nothing like us because it has to adapt, and god "created us in his image" If he created us why leave room for error and by that i mean things adapt, evovle, and change based on their environment. THERE IS NO GOD
Judy Jetson
2009-10-22 06:15:49 UTC
Don't be silly. Of course not.



What kind of twisted logic lets you make a ridiculous jump like that? Evidence for something is direct evidence for that thing. Not understanding something does not equal it's OK to just flat out make up an answer.



It would work just as well if you decided leprechauns had to have made the Universe. That right there ought to be your guide. If the argument can work for leprechauns, it isn't a good one at all.
2009-10-22 10:40:34 UTC
I believe in a higher power (God) and Heaven and Hell - and though science cannot clear up the answer - I go with the higher power.
2009-10-22 06:22:16 UTC
I'm afraid that the universe has occurred through natural processes; it is unnecessary and unwarranted to make up magical beings and superstitious nonsense to try and explain everything -- that's what they did 2,000 years ago before the invention of the scientific method.



Also note that we will never know the answers to everything and it is childish to make up fanciful explanations which are devoid of logic and reality.
Thamain P
2009-10-22 06:17:41 UTC
Nobody knows where it begins. Not even the scientists let alone religious leaders & gee oh dee. We are here not to look for the answers. Just to experience the unknown. I don't care where the Universe starts & end. I am thinking of building schools for underpriviledged children in the third world countries.
2009-10-22 06:14:08 UTC
If you love science how could you not understand the theory of abiogenesis? This video makes it real easy to follow...start at 2:40ish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg



And the big bang theory says that the entirety of the universe was contained in a point mass singularity which then expanded to form energy and atoms...no one says "something came from nothing" except for believers in god...
2009-10-22 06:18:05 UTC
No. The universe is one of a kind, as is the idea of God. There are billions of applicable one of a kind ideas that can be put forward to explain it. It could be cyclical, or rely on a complex hierarchy of dimensions and the relativity of time, or a bunch of other things to explain its existence. Since other things are possible, we can't rely on a magic creator monster--because that solves nothing. We still have to explain the creator monster and his magic.
2009-10-22 06:15:53 UTC
If you're a lover of science, you would know that the elements that made up the big bang don't appear or disappear, but only change state. Why then assume they were created by Flying Spaghetti Monster?
The Curmudgeon
2009-10-22 06:14:40 UTC
The existence of the universe is only proof of it's existence. To assume otherwise is a display of pure ignorance. Science does not know how everything started and they aren't going to assume. Why do you think your god made anything? How do you know it wasn't Vishnu? You have no evidence, you just assume.
Spreading Good News!
2009-10-22 06:21:08 UTC
A cool article....think you'll like it ;-)



Our Awesome Universe—A Product of Chance?

SOME people say: ‘Yes, our universe is all a matter of chance.’ Others, especially those who are religious, disagree. Still others are just not sure. What do you believe?

Whatever your view, you will no doubt agree that our universe is a marvel. Consider the galaxies. It has been estimated that there are about 100 billion of them in the observable universe. Each is a grouping of from fewer than a billion to more than a trillion stars.

Most galaxies are grouped in clusters of from a few dozen galaxies to thousands of them. For example, our neighboring galaxy Andromeda has been described as the twin of our Milky Way galaxy. These two immense star systems are bound to each other by gravity. Together with a small number of other neighboring galaxies, they form part of a cluster.

The universe is made up of an untold number of clusters of galaxies. Some clusters are bound by gravity to other clusters, forming superclusters. But from that scale onward, gravity loses its grip. Scientists find that the superclusters are moving away from one another. In other words, the universe is expanding. This amazing discovery suggests that there was a beginning when the universe was in a much smaller and denser state. The birth of the universe is often referred to as the big bang.

Some scientists seriously question whether man will ever be able to find out how the universe was born. Others speculate about ways in which our universe could have come into existence without an intelligent cause. The journal Scientific American, in its January 1999 issue, discussed the subject “How Did the Universe Begin?” Some of the scientists’ theories have already been found wanting. “Unfortunately,” the magazine says, “it may be very difficult . . . for astronomers to test any of these ideas.”

The idea that the universe is a product of chance requires belief in what scientists describe as many “lucky accidents” or “coincidences.” For example, the universe is made up of an abundance of the simplest atoms—hydrogen and helium. Life, however, requires not only hydrogen but also an abundance of more complex atoms, especially carbon and oxygen. Scientists used to wonder where such precious atoms come from.

Is it just a coincidence that the complex atoms necessary to sustain life are manufactured inside certain giant stars? And is it just by chance that some of these giant stars explode as supernovas, spewing out their treasure chest of rare atoms? Sir Fred Hoyle, who was involved in the making of these discoveries, said: “I do not believe that any scientist who examined the evidence would fail to draw the inference that the laws of nuclear physics have been deliberately designed.”

Let us, then, take a closer look at the matter out of which our universe is made.

[Box/Picture on page 4]

THE INFLATION THEORY

Some scientists believe that certain characteristics of the early universe, such as its precise rate of expansion, can be explained without the need of an intelligent cause. They appeal to a theory or theories called inflation. However, the inflationary universe theory does not address the question of origins. It requires belief in something preexisting out of which our universe was accidentally born.

According to inflation theory, the universe grew from a size smaller than an atom to a size greater than our galaxy in less than a second. It is said that from that point on, the universe continued expanding at a slower, normal rate. Today, the visible part of our universe is considered to be a small fraction of a bigger universe. Inflation theorists claim that although the visible universe has the same orderly appearance in all directions, the greater unseen part may be different, even chaotic. “There can never be an observational test of inflation,” states astrophysicist Geoffrey Burbidge. In fact, inflation theory conflicts with new lines of observational evidence. It is now seen that if the theory were true, it would require a speculative new force of antigravity. One scientist, Howard Georgi of Harvard University, described inflation as “a wonderful sort of scientific myth, which is at least as good as any other creation myth I’ve ever heard.”
?
2009-10-22 06:25:21 UTC
It wasn't 'God' silly, it was The Thing Which Made the Things for Which There is No Known Maker.
?
2009-10-22 06:20:30 UTC
I adore religious people who hasn't gotten into any serious research in any scientific area like physics, biology or astronomy.



seriously people look around. Everything in this universe and on earth is flawed, unbalanced, weak, faint and unstable.



The sad truth? The universe sucks.
goodluckwithhat
2009-10-22 06:17:01 UTC
No, not really. Though I do believe that the Big Bang and it's materials come from God.
2009-10-22 06:27:40 UTC
If the Universe is proof of God, then harlequin babies must be proof that He's a bit of a jerk, don't you think?
?
2009-10-22 06:25:15 UTC
THIS ONE Proof Of The EXISTENCE OF GOD





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdysidtj3A8
Jesus The Son of God the Messiah
2009-10-22 06:22:17 UTC
The Awesome power of God is there for anyone who is searching for Truth to see. The Problem is that those who refuse to see Him are those who claim they are searching for Truth and instead are looking only for affirmation of their own rejection of the Truth.



There is non so Blind as the person who keeps his eyes shut so he cannot see the Truth ! This dose not negate the truth except in their own minds. This will not negate the Penalty of their rebellion either.



There is only ONE God and we approach Him through Christ Jesus! He is the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob!
Macias Raphaël
2009-10-22 06:17:38 UTC
The heavens are declaring the glory of God; And of the work of his hands the expanse is telling. One day after another day causes speech to bubble forth, And one night after another night shows forth knowledge. There is no speech, and there are no words; No voice on their part is being heard (Psalms 19:1-3).
2009-10-22 06:18:22 UTC
Not really... but the universe is proof of the universe... not of a Mickey Mouse "creator"!
2009-10-22 06:14:48 UTC
actually, the universe is a lot less complicated than a piece of dandruff. it's 90% hydrogen and mostly just a big empty boring void
Supermario .
2009-10-22 06:14:16 UTC
Yeah, defiantly



What if you found a watch in the sand?



Suppose you found a watch in the middle of the desert. What would you conclude? Would you think someone dropped the watch? Or would you suppose that the watch came by itself? Of course, no sane person would say the watch just happened to emerge from the sand.



All the intricate working parts could not simply develop from the metals that lay buried in the earth. The watch must have a manufacturer. If a watch tells an accurate time, we expect the manufacturer must be intelligent. Blind chance cannot produce a working watch. But what else tells accurate time? Consider the sunrise and the sunset.



Their timings are so strictly regulated that scientists can publish in advance the sunrise and sunset times in your daily newspaper, but who regulated the timings of sunrise and sunset? If a watch cannot work without an intelligent maker, how can the sun appear to rise and set with such clockwork regularity? Could this occur by itself? Consider also that we benefit from the sun only because it remains at a safe distance from the earth.



A distance that averages 93 million miles. If it gets much closer, the earth would burn up. And if it got too far away, the earth would turn into an icy planet making human life here impossible. Who decided in advance that this was the right distance? Could it just happen by chance? Without the sun, plants would not grow. Then animals and humans would starve. Did the sun just decide to be there for us? We need to experience sunrise.



We need the sun energy and its light to see our way during the day. But we also need sunset. We need a break for the heat, we need the cool of the night and we need the lights to go out so we may sleep. Who regulated this process to provide what we need?



Moreover, if we had only the warmth of the sun and the protection of the atmosphere we would want something more-beauty. Our clothes provide warmth and protection, yet we design them also to look beautiful/knowing our need for beauty, the designer of the sunrise and the sunset also made the view of them to be simply breathtaking.



The Creator who gave us light, energy, protection and beauty deserves our thanks. Yet some people insist that He does not exist. What would they think if they found a watch in the desert? An accurate and working watch? A beautiful designed watch? Would they not conclude that there is a watchmaker? One who appreciates beauty? Such is God who made us.
?
2009-10-22 07:44:53 UTC
no. the romans invented christianity 1700 years ago, it was really just a story to begin with
GambitGrrl
2009-10-22 06:17:41 UTC
Why do you assume the universe had to have a creator?



I make no such assumption.
Keith
2009-10-22 06:42:20 UTC
you know that is a hard thing too answard.but i believe in god.but i also believe in life from somewere eles.
The Mighty Jah
2009-10-22 06:19:12 UTC
In my opinion to believe that everything came from nothing is very strange.
2009-10-22 06:13:22 UTC
Who created god then? Why would the universe need a creator but not god?
somathus
2009-10-22 06:13:48 UTC
Who cares? We will never know the answer. The best we can do is come up with theories.
2009-10-22 06:15:42 UTC
Well if something so magnificent just HAD to be made by God.

Then wouldnt someone so magnificent as God have to have been made by someone, if he is so 'amazingly wonderful' he must have been made by ANOTHER God? surely.?



Your logic is highly flawed.

FAIL.
pugjw9896
2009-10-22 06:19:50 UTC
YES!.



how else could it happen?



(Hebrews 3:4) Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.
2009-10-22 06:12:34 UTC
apart from the design of the universe being flawed. what created god?
WILNA S
2009-10-22 06:18:35 UTC
no i dont think so, but i do believe that HUMANITY - love , forgivness etc..is...theirs no science in that..
Nikon f5
2009-10-22 06:12:58 UTC
Proof of which god? There are so many. But no it's not.
2009-10-22 06:13:01 UTC
that's like saying spaghetti is proof for the FSM...
2009-10-22 06:12:23 UTC
it's not proof, but that doesn't stop me from believing.
?
2009-10-22 06:14:19 UTC
YES AND IT IS NOT THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT HE LEFT.
?
2009-10-22 06:13:31 UTC
you are funny
2009-10-22 06:12:21 UTC
no, it is not. return to science class, please.


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