Question:
Why do Jehovahs Witnesses consider a cross to be pagan?
anonymous
2011-03-31 20:21:07 UTC
Cross is pagan? So the star in the sky the wise men saw was shaped like a W? or a H? I dont think so. Jesus was a carpenter and you really think that as a carpenter who works with wood that he would have not made a cross to bear? The Bible mentions the cross in many many sections. The book of Luke and Romans...Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. Those are the 3 points on the cross. It clearly shows that he was killed on a cross!. Thomas says " Unless I see the nailS in his handS I will not believe!"Jesus even says that you will see this sign at the end of the age in the heavens!

Who are you guys trying to fool?
21 answers:
peacelily
2011-04-04 01:11:30 UTC
I can tell you why Jehovah's Witnesses hate the cross. Because the devil hates the very symbol that spells his defeat. It was finished at the cross--Satan was finished at the cross! ALL power and authority was given unto Christ. Satan was stripped AT THE CROSS. That is why the powers behind the Watchtower organization put it in the mind of Jehovah's Witnesses to hate the very symbol of the cross.



At Leviticus 8:15, during the consecration of Aaron and his sons to the priest’s office, "Moses took the blood, and put it upon the [four] horns of the altar round about with his finger, and purified the altar, and poured the blood at the bottom of the altar, and sanctified it, to make reconciliation upon it." Moses, as the mediator of the old covenant, served as a "type" of Christ (the mediator of the new covenant) in the Old Testament. Notice he didn't just sprinkle the blood haphazardly on the altar; he applied it to the four corners with his OWN finger to purify it, then poured the rest of the blood at the bottom to sanctify it to make reconciliation upon it. The covenant of priesthood was made by sacrifice, as were other covenants (Psalm 50:5). In this way, Jesus was consecrated by the sacrifice of himself, once for all.



The Bible contains God’s specific instructions on burnt offerings and how the blood was to be sprinkled on the altar at Eze. 43:18. Read further and you’ll find that the blood was not just randomly sprinkled about, but was placed by the high priest on each of the FOUR CORNERS. The blood was used to cleanse--the altar had to be cleansed for the purpose of sin atonement. Beginning at Eze. 45:18, you can read about the value of blood for cleansing the sanctuary and the altar in preparation for Passover. Notice again that the blood is placed on the FOUR CORNERS of the ledge of the altar.



There are a number of parallels between the OT and NT concerning the Passover and Jesus’ death (No blemishes, no broken bones, taken outside the city, etc.). This is another parallel. Jesus Christ, our loving High Priest (Heb 3:1, 9:11) applied His own precious blood ("No one has taken [my life] away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again." Jn 10:18) to the Roman (pagan) instrument upon which He was to be executed (the cross). Jesus applied His own blood to all four corners of the cross (without the crown of thorns, the blood would not have been applied to all four corners). When the blood of Christ was applied to the cross, it was no longer a pagan implement of death, but the precious altar of our Lord and Savior, upon which the spotless Lamb of God offered Himself once for all, paying our sin debt in full, righting the wrong that had been done and restoring our ability to enter into a personal relationship with God. In His own blood, Jesus sealed a new covenant between God and sinful man ("For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it."--Heb 9:16) in order that we would be able to come boldly before the throne of grace, fully assured of the forgiveness of our sins. Jesus did this on His own altar--the cross of Calvary.



Jesus fulfilled Passover, and His blood covers our sins so that we are not condemned. We have been justified by His blood. (Rom 5:9) In Him we have redemption through His blood. (Eph 1:7)



In Gal 6:14 when Paul said, “I boast about the cross,” this wasn’t just some unclean implement of death, no matter where it originated. The origin of the cross makes no difference whatsoever. Paul was talking about the sacred altar of our Lord that had been cleansed for Passover to bear the Lamb of God. The cross is Jesus’ altar, and no one should dare try to tell me that it’s an instrument of death akin to an electric chair or a gun, or that it is pagan or unclean, because the power of Jesus’ blood cleansed it and prepared it for His ultimate sacrifice! The very same blood by which we are redeemed and justified—through which our relationship to God is restored—cleansed and prepared that altar (Eph 1:7: “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace).



1 Cor. 1:18: For the preaching of the CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.



Eph. 2:16: And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the CROSS, having slain the enmity thereby:



Col. 1:20: And, having made peace through the blood of HIS CROSS, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.



Col. 2:14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to HIS CROSS;
?
2011-04-01 10:15:41 UTC
Asker,



Gee, i don't know what to make of your question. You are right, in a round about way, but the points you bring up to support your question, are pretty ridiculous..





Anyway, let me make sense of this, so that you can understand:



- First JWs believe that crosses are pagan, because at some point in human history, some civilizations used something that resembled a cross in worship to pagan gods.



With that said, what does this have to do with the way Jesus died? This makes as much sense as saying that since someone at some point used something that resembled a gun to worship a pagan god, nobody has been executed by a gun shot.



The fact is that regardless of whoever in human history used instruments that resembled crosses as part of worship, this is completely unrelated to the method the Romans adopted for executions between 100bc to 300ad, which was a patibulum hung on a stake, which would resemble a cross.



To know how Jesus died, why would you look at how crosses have been used previously in human history? Why not simply investigate what was customary for executions in Jesus's time for jewish criminals?
KnowGod!
2011-04-04 03:33:06 UTC
I checked up on some of Elaine63's citations from her answer.



From my copy of the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, available through e-Sword:



(σταυρός, staurós, “a cross,” “the crucifixion”; σκόλοψ, skólops, “a stake,” “a pole”): The name is not found in the Old Testament. It is derived from the Latin word crux. In the Greek language it is stauros, but sometimes we find the word skolops used as its Greek equivalent...The cross occurs in at least four different forms: (1) The form usually seen in pictures, the crux immissa, in which the upright beam projected above the shorter crosspiece; this is most likely the type of cross on which the Saviour died, as may be inferred from the inscription which was nailed above His head...The earliest mode of crucifixion seems to have been by impalation, the transfixion of the body lengthwise and crosswise by sharpened stakes, a mode of death-punishment still well known among the Mongol race... Among the Romans crucifixion was preceded by scourging, undoubtedly to hasten impending death. The victim then bore his own cross, or at least the upright beam, to the place of execution. This in itself proves that the structure was less ponderous than is commonly supposed.



What the Imperial Bible Dictionary really said:



“The Greek word for cross, [stauros’], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling a piece of ground. But a modification was introduced as the dominion and usages of Rome extended themselves through Greek-speaking countries. Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole, and this always remained the more prominent part. But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment, a transverse piece of wood was commonly added…There can be no doubt, however, that the latter sort was the more common, and that about the period of the gospel age crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood...But the commonest form, it is understood, was that in which the upright piece of wood was crossed by another near the top, but not precisely at it, the upright pole running above the other, thus [cross symbol] --and so making four, not merely two right angels. It was on a cross of this form, according to the general voice of tradition that our Lord suffered...”



http://www.archive.org/details/theimperialbible01unknuoft



Choose "Read Online," and use the slide at the bottom to go to page 376. Use the magnifying glass with the plus sign to zoom in so you can read the entry.



Justus Lipsius' book was detailing the evolution of the cross, from its simplest form up to the point of the gospel age. The link that follows is a download of Lipsius' book.



http://www.catholic-forum.com/members/popestleo/JustusLipsiusCruce.pdf



In the pdf toolbar, there is a blank beside /123



Type in 15 and hit enter (for page 15), and you will see the stake from the picture the Watchtower supplies. This is the earliest form.



Hit the down arrow, or type in the following page numbers to see the other pictures Justus Lipsius included in his book on the evolution of the cross: 16, 18, 20, 45, 62, 65, 69, 91, 92, 100, 118



Note the form of the cross on page 118 that Lipsius depicts our Lord on based on his years of research and his expertise on this subject.
anonymous
2016-03-01 09:41:31 UTC
1Cor. 10:14; "My beloved ones, flee from idolatry." Ex. 20:4,5 "You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you should not bow down to them or serve them." The truth has been set before today, yesterday, and it will be tomorrow. The truth is set before you with it answer from Jehovah's Witnesses. Now is the time to heed the warnings, the days are short, the road is narrow and cramp leading to life. you say you are looking for the truth you have the truth, but you can not see it because you are to busy leaning on your own understanding. you are to busy trying to make Jehovah and his organization look bad. It will never happen. For this is what Jehovah has said: Ezekiel 6:7; "And you will have to know that I am Jehovah." Also do you know? "The great day of Jehovah is near."( Zeph. 1:14) The only thing the servants of the True God Jehovah has to do is "STAND FIRM AND SEE THE SALVATION OF JEHOVAH." (EXODUS 14:13
Poя¢єℓαιη Vєѕѕєℓ (στην αλήθεια)
2011-04-01 09:04:33 UTC
Because it IS pagan.



http://www.suite101.com/content/history-of-the-christian-cross-a232457



1) The Bible doesn't say that the star in the sky was shaped like a cross.



2) The Bible doesn't say that Jesus made "a cross to bear" during his carpentry



3) Yes, Jesus is the way, the truth & the life but the Bible doesn't mention that those three things are in any way linked to a cross



4) Yes, Thomas mentioned the nails in the hands of Jesus (because he was killed on a stake) but the Greek word used means "upright beam" or "stake"... not cross.



And even if he did die on a crossbeam, then why venerate the implement of his death?

Exodus 20:4,5 shows exactly what God thinks of using idols of any kind in worship
anonymous
2011-03-31 20:30:42 UTC
LOL!!!!!!!!



1 - Quote: "Jesus was a carpenter and you really think that as a carpenter who works with wood that he would have not made a cross to bear?"-----------How does Jesus being a "carpenter" prove he would have made a cross????????? He hadn't even died yet!!! So how would he have known to make this cross?!!! HAHAHA



2 - Quote: "The book of Luke and Romans...Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. Those are the 3 points on the cross. It clearly shows that he was killed on a cross!"-----------------HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I rofld SO hard at that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The cross has FOUR points you dimwit!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha im laughing now.......



3 - Quote: "Thomas says " Unless I see the nailS in his handS I will not believe!"---------------We believe he died on a stake, his handS and feet nailed together with nailS. Both handS nailed together over his head, his feet nailed together where they hung. Nice emphasis on the plural "S"...........haha there i go again....



4 - Quote: "Jesus even says that you will see this sign at the end of the age in the heavens!"--------------LOL........what??? No scripture to back that up too???? No scripture stating CLEARLY Jesus saying we'll see a CROSS???? Aww :(



lol thank you...I needed a good laugh today
Elaine63
2011-03-31 20:32:26 UTC
Rather just take a "Jehovah's Witness" view it is best to take the bible's view along with other references thatl atest to the fact that it was not a cross. For example, when looking into the meanings of the Greek words that the Bible writers used to describe the instrument of Christ’s death: stau·ros′ The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (1979) states under the heading “Cross”: “Originally Gk. staurós designated a pointed, vertical wooden stake firmly fixed in the ground. . . . They were positioned side by side in rows to form fencing or defensive palisades around settlements, or singly they were set up as instruments of torture on which serious offenders of law were publicly suspended to die (or, if already killed, to have their corpses thoroughly dishonored).”

True, the Romans did use an instrument of execution known in Latin as the crux. And in translating the Bible into Latin, this word crux was used as a rendering of stau·ros′. Because the Latin word crux and the English word cross are similar, many mistakenly assume that a crux was necessarily a stake with a crossbeam. However, The Imperial Bible-Dictionary says: “Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole, and this always remained the more prominent part.”

The book The Non-Christian Cross adds: “There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros [pole or stake]; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.” Christ could well have been impaled on a form of crux (stau·ros′) known as the crux simplex. That was how such a stake was illustrated by the Roman Catholic scholar Justus Lipsius of the 16th century.

Numerous translators of the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) therefore translate Peter’s words at Acts 5:30 to read: “The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew, hanging him upon a stake [or, “tree,” according to the King James Version, New International Version, The Jerusalem Bible, and Revised Standard Version].” You might also wish to check how your Bible translates xy′lon at: Acts 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; and 1 Peter 2:24. In doing my research, I have found that many others agree that it was a stake. You may want to look up what the cross stands for. Jesus death was so important for mankind that it is worthwhile to find the "truth".
anonymous
2011-03-31 20:24:02 UTC
Someone brought this thing up about Christianity being pagan, the cross isn't pagan at all.

The Cross was simply a tool for crucifixion from the Romans.



The Cross was around before Christ, obviously, but that doesn't mean anything.

The Cross was simply a Roman tool for crucifixion, it came from the pagans sure, but the cross isn't pagan. It now just represents what Christ did for us.
?
2011-03-31 20:28:45 UTC
The use of the cross can be traced back to Mesopotamia, to two thousand years before Christ. Crosses even decorated Scandinavian rock engravings during the Bronze Age, centuries before Jesus was born. Such non-Christians used the cross “as a magic sign . . . giving protection, bringing good luck,” wrote Sven Tito Achen, Danish historian and expert on symbols, in the book Symbols Around Us. It is no wonder that the New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures, where it has largely a cosmic or natural signification.” Why, then, have the churches chosen the cross as their most sacred symbol?

W. E. Vine, respected British scholar, offers these hard facts: “By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. . . . pagans were received into the churches . . . and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, . . . with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted.”—Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.

Vine further notes that both the noun “cross” and the verb “crucify” refer to “a stake or pale . . . distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross.” In agreement with this, Oxford University’s Companion Bible says: “The evidence is . . . that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any angle.” Clearly, the churches have adopted a tradition that is not Biblical.

Historian Achen, quoted above, observes: “In the two centuries after the death of Jesus it is doubtful that the Christians ever used the device of the cross.” To the early Christians, he adds, the cross “must have chiefly denoted death and evil, like the guillotine or the electric chair to later generations.”

More important, no matter what device was used for the torture and execution of Jesus, no image or symbol of it should become an object of devotion or worship for Christians. “Flee from idolatry,” commands the Bible. (1 Corinthians 10:14) Jesus himself gave the real identifying mark of his true followers. He said: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”—John 13:35.

In all matters of worship, Jehovah’s Witnesses, like the first-century Christians, strive to follow the Bible rather than tradition. (Romans 3:4; Colossians 2:8) Because of this, they do not use the cross in worship.



The Greek word rendered “cross” in many modern Bible versions (“torture stake” in NW) is stau‧ros′. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a crosspiece. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: “The Greek word for cross, [stau‧ros′], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. . . . Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.”—Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.
Spirit & Truth
2011-03-31 22:44:54 UTC
Does it matter the shape of whatever Jesus was nailed to? The bigger issue is most "Christian" religions venerate an object. They wear it as jewelery, display it on walls, make signs across their body in symbol of it and pray in front of them. If that is not pagan and against God's law on idolatry I don't know what is.



Also, what makes something pagan? Whatever form the implement was, hanging someone on a stake or cross was not a practice of God or God's people, it was a Roman (pagan) form of execution, period.



Jehovah's Witnesses choose to focus on what Jesus' sacrifice and his subsequent resurrection mean for mankind. Focusing on an object is a waste of time and effort.
AGNES
2011-03-31 20:41:09 UTC
Before you go off on people for not believing in the cross and hating on them for their beliefs, go to your history books and encyclopedias. You will find that 1. the cross as a implement of torture was not in use at the time of Christ's death. Yes, at one point it was used by the Romans but not during that time period. THe X or T was. 2. The cross as it is used in worship today was used for centuries before Christ in pagan religions and its use was brought into the Christian congregation centuries after Christ's death, along with numerous other pagan beliefs and practices in order to fill pews with unbelievers and bring in converts to Christianity. 3. Using the cross in worship is directly defying the first of the 10 commandments, in having " No image before Me" , a direct commandment from God. God wanted no use of idols, images or anything else to interfere in the true worship of him, and him alone. He didn't even want his SON or His sacrifice to be put ahead of the True Worship of God himself. 4. How odd is it to wear a device of a man's murder? If he'd been shot , would you wear a bullet? Be headed, would you wear an axe? Hung, would you wear a noose...? You get the idea. I know it is symbology, but why do you need something in front of you to remind you of what should be deeply ingrained into your heart?

And as for the star that led the wise men to Jesus... who do you reallllly think would have led men to Baby Jesus to BETRAY HIM to King Herod? Do you REALLY think God would have done that? Seriously? I think someone else had more to gain over his death than God...
i_am_queen_and_royalty
2011-04-01 19:08:49 UTC
THE cross is loved and respected by millions of people. The Encyclopædia Britannica calls the cross “the principal symbol of the Christian religion.” Nevertheless, true Christians do not use the cross in worship. Why not?



An important reason is that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross. The Greek word generally translated “cross” is stau·ros′. It basically means “an upright pale or stake.” The Companion Bible points out: “[Stau·ros′] never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle . . . There is nothing in the Greek of the [New Testament] even to imply two pieces of timber.”



In several texts, Bible writers use another word for the instrument of Jesus’ death. It is the Greek word xy′lon. (Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) This word simply means “timber” or “a stick, club, or tree.”



Explaining why a simple stake was often used for executions, the book Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, states: “Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed.”



The most convincing proof of all, however, comes from God’s Word. The apostle Paul says: “Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: ‘Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [“a tree,” King James Version].’” (Galatians 3:13) Here Paul quotes Deuteronomy 21:22, 23, which clearly refers to a stake, not a cross. Since such a means of execution made the person “a curse,” it would not be proper for Christians to decorate their homes with images of Christ impaled.



There is no evidence that for the first 300 years after Christ’s death, those claiming to be Christians used the cross in worship. In the fourth century, however, pagan Emperor Constantine became a convert to apostate Christianity and promoted the cross as its symbol. Whatever Constantine’s motives, the cross had nothing to do with Jesus Christ. The cross is, in fact, pagan in origin. The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The cross is found in both pre-Christian and non-Christian cultures.” Various other authorities have linked the cross with nature worship and pagan sex rites.



Why, then, was this pagan symbol promoted? Apparently, to make it easier for pagans to accept “Christianity.” Nevertheless, devotion to any pagan symbol is clearly condemned by the Bible. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18) The Scriptures also forbid all forms of idolatry. (Exodus 20:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 10:14) With very good reason, therefore, true Christians do not use the cross in worship.*



What Does the Cross Symbolize?



Long before the Christian era, crosses were used by the ancient Babylonians as symbols in their worship of the fertility god Tammuz. The use of the cross spread into Egypt, India, Syria, and China. Then, centuries later, the Israelites adulterated their worship of Jehovah with acts of veneration to the false god Tammuz. The Bible refers to this form of worship as a ‘detestable thing.’—Ezekiel 8:13, 14.



The Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John use the Greek word stau·ros′ when referring to the instrument of execution on which Jesus died. (Matthew 27:40; Mark 15:30; Luke 23:26) The word stau·ros′ refers to an upright pole, stake, or post. The book The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons, explains: “There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”



“Guard Yourselves From Idols”



Suppose a loved one of yours was brutally murdered and the weapon was submitted to the court as evidence. Would you try to gain possession of the murder weapon, take photographs of it, and print many copies for distribution? Would you produce replicas of the weapon in various sizes? Would you then fashion some of them into jewelry? Or would you have these reproductions commercially manufactured and sold to friends and relatives to be venerated? Likely you would be repulsed at the idea! Yet, these very things have been done with the cross!



Besides, the use of the cross in worship is no different from the use of images in worship, a practice condemned in the Bible. (Exodus 20:2-5; Deuteronomy 4:25, 26) The apostle John accurately reflected the teachings of true Christianity when he admonished his fellow Christians with the words: “Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21) This they did even when it meant facing death in the Roman arena.
anonymous
2011-04-03 16:03:23 UTC
Elaine63 has the best answer...I have no clue where you have gotten your information, obviously, you have been mislead. He was killed on a crux, a torture stake...the cross is a pagan symbol, which I have always thought it disturbing that people claiming to be "Christians" worship the cross, pray to it, kneel to it, wear it around their neck...when they have mistakenly thought it to be the object which killed Jesus. That's like if my child died from a chainsaw accident and I hung a chainsaw on my wall in remembrance of him/her. God is a jealous God. He doesn't want us to worship false idols, which is exactly what supposedly "Christian" religions do...
do you recall...
2011-03-31 20:30:12 UTC
Actually the cross IS pagan because it came from false religions The first christians did not use or worship a cross.



And Jesus did not even die on a cross, he died on a wooden post.
?
2011-03-31 20:24:45 UTC
Cause it is pagan ...google it.





History

Solar cross in Zbruch Idol



It is not known when the first cross image was made; after circles, crosses are one of the first symbols drawn by children of all cultures. There are many cross-shaped incisions in European cult caves, dating back to the earliest stages of human cultural development in the stone age. Like other symbols from this period, their use continued in the Celtic and Germanic cultures in Europe.



The original Coptic cross used by early Gnostic Christians in Egypt very similar to the Egyptian Cross, the Key of the Nile, the Looped Tau Cross, and the Ansate Cross. It was an Ancient Egyptian symbol of life and fertility, predating the modern cross.
anonymous
2011-03-31 20:22:36 UTC
Because it is pagan, use of a cross was around for millennium before the christians claimed it as their own.

A tradition of the Church which our fathers have inherited, was the adoption of the words "cross" and "crucify." These words are nowhere to be found in the Greek of the New Testament. These words are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo, denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake
THOR, god of THUNDER
2011-03-31 20:23:03 UTC
Yeah, the cross was around long before Jesus and Christianity came into the picture. It is, in fact, pagan. Sorry.



Actually, I wasn't really thinking when I wrote the top part. Yes, the cross was a torture device, but spiritualities before that time did have very similar symbolism.
?
2011-03-31 20:24:57 UTC
Historically, Roman crucifixion devices were shaped like a "T" or an "X".



There is some evidence (from paintings in early Christian catacombs) that the current cross symbol did have astrological origins.
anonymous
2011-03-31 20:30:08 UTC
Dr. Bob has a problem with his punctuation. Anyway, the JWs believe it simply because the Watchtower tells them.
The Former Dr. Bob
2011-03-31 20:24:54 UTC
They claim that Jesus was impaled on a "torture stake", even though the Romans didn't use "torture stakes" and were well known for crucifixion.
The Logical Voice
2011-03-31 20:22:40 UTC
i find it funny how you are arguing over whether or not you should where torture devices around your neck


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