THe Catholic Church gave us the Bible?

Question

I. Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?

There are four major reasons for affirming that the Catholic Church gave us the Bible:

1. The New Testament was written by the Church. The Books of the New Testament were written by Apostles and other leading clergymen within the Church. Recall 1 Corinthians 12:28, “And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.”

2. The New Testament was written to the Church. Just as the Old Testament was written to Israel, the New Testament is written to the Church. We see this most clearly in the Epistles, which tend to be addressed either to a particular church leader (Philemon 1:1, etc.), or a local church (1 Corinthians 1:2, etc.) or a particular group of Christians (1 Peter 1-2, etc.) or the entire Church (Jude 1:1).

3. Both the Old and New Testament were compiled by the Church. Without the Church, you don’t have a clear way of knowing which Books belong in the Bible and which don’t. As a matter of history, the Catholic Church gave us the Bible.

4. The establishment of the Church is mentioned in Scripture. Matthew 16:17-19 . Jesus set up a Church, . One of the ways that the Church fulfilled this commission was by creating the Bible, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Answer 1

No. The most recent book of the Bible was written nearly a thousand years before the Catholic Church existed, and was compiled about 700 years before.

Answer 2

It's 66 books written over millenia... Reading/researching (googling) some of the very "earliest church fathers" could shed a lot of light :)

Answer 3

Point: answering your own question is against the guidelines. (It is considered "spam" or proselytization.) Ask a question and let the people answer it.





I. Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?



One (biased) interpretation of the historical facts results in the answer "Yes".

Other interpretations of the historical facts (equally biased OR unbiased) results in the answer "No" or "Not alone".





1a. The New Testament was written by the Church.



The New Testament was authored by individual Christians

- not by "the Church"

- and not by "the Roman Catholic Church"





1b) The Books of the New Testament were written by Apostles and other leading clergymen within the Church.



Not by "clergymen" in the sense that the word is normally used.

All of the authors were Christians, but none refer by name to the Roman Catholic Church.





1c) Recall 1 Corinthians 12:28, “And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.”



Here (as always in the New Testament), the word "church" has the meaning "congregation" and not "denomination"...and certainly not "the Roman Catholic Church".





2a. The New Testament was written to the Church.



Over-simple. See - for an obvious counter-example - The Epistle to the Hebrews.







2b) Just as the Old Testament was written to Israel, the New Testament is written to the Church. We see this most clearly in the Epistles, which tend to be addressed either to a particular church leader (Philemon 1:1, etc.), or a local church (1 Corinthians 1:2, etc.) or a particular group of Christians (1 Peter 1-2, etc.) or the entire Church (Jude 1:1).



See 2a)

Also: you assume that "the Church" is the Roman Catholic Church - but none of those documents attest so.





3a. Both the Old and New Testament were compiled by the Church.



Again: we have you assuming (in a retroactive way, called a "retcon" in comics) that some "the Church" existed at that time, and it was the Roman Catholic Church in particular.

One can equally well (in an equally biased and retroactive way) argue that "the Church" that did that was the Eastern Orthodox Church

or the Oriental Orthodox Church

or the Church of the East

etc.



The UNbiased characterization is that this was done by Christian officials of the 4th century at a few councils and synods

- some of those held in Greek-speaking territory (that is: traditionally, but not yet at that time, Eastern Orthodox)

- some of those held in Latin-speaking territory (that is: traditionally, but not yet at that time, Roman Catholic)



In any case, one cannot REASONABLY credit solely the Roman Catholic Church.





3b. Without the Church, you don’t have a clear way of knowing which Books belong in the Bible and which don’t.



The fact that practically all non-Catholic Christians disagree with the particular set of documents that Roman Catholics have chosen to include in their Bibles proves that practically all Christians DO have "a clear way of knowing" that and have chosen a clear way OTHER than the way chosen by Roman Catholics.





3c) As a matter of history, the Catholic Church gave us the Bible.



As a matter of ***a biased interpretation of history***

not as a matter of **the bare historical facts** (which do not refer to the Roman Catholic Church in particular).





4a. The establishment of the Church is mentioned in Scripture. Matthew 16:17-19



Yes, but what "the Church"?

Again: you mistake the word "church" to mean "denomination"

and assume that it refers specifically to the Roman Catholic Church.

Both are logical errors.





4b) Jesus set up a Church, . One of the ways that the Church fulfilled this commission was by creating the Bible, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.



Did you read that passage?

Did you read the commission given by Jesus?

Do you even know what the word "commission" means?

Clearly the Bible does not fulfill the commission given in that passage, and clearly it was not designed to do so.

Answer 4

No. The Catholic Church didn't exist when the Bible canon was completed.

Answer 5

THe Catholic Church gave us the Bible?



If that true then it gave us bullstuff.

Answer 6

NO.... The True Church, commissioned by The Creator God, is NOT the papist catholic......



.The Apostles were long dead by the time the papist, so-called catholic, church got started.... and The Creator God had nothing to do with starting that........so none of The Apostles was "catholic"...... the papist did gather several collections of early writings containing some history of The Nation of Israel... and some of The Instruction of God to those of The True Church He commissioned after Jesus Ascended into Heaven......and the papists also made up many more.... and distorted some of the older writings to fit their agenda.....



all of that without any authority from God to do so.....



the papist called the resulting work the bible.....



there continued to be those of The True Church who did not accept the papist deceptions.... and eventually those of The True Church began to strip away the papist deceptions and publish a Bible closer to the original instruction of God..... but not all of the original instructions have survived.......



just because the papists compiled the first collection... and called it the bible.... does not make it The Instruction of God...... The papist deception remains just that



The rest of the story is quite lengthy and best not gone into on forums like YA

Answer 7

The Catholicism is about taking, not giving.

Answer 8

I OPPOSE!



It was not the Catholic Church to act as an intermediary with the word of God, but God himself instructed his faithful through his Holy Spirit to his people Israel!



Therefore, when the scripture speaks to us of church, he is the TRUE church of Christ, that is, all those who make his complete will!



So, the Catholic Church has been out of Christian doctrine for millennia !!

Answer 9

The true Christians (who were employed by the Roman Catholic Cult)



assembled the Canon of the Bible as they were inspired by God, so to do .



1, the NT was written hundreds of years before the RCC was invented.



2, the NT was written to the true Sabbath keegping church, not to the corrupted RCC.



3, see above



4, The establishment of the True Sabbath keeping Church is mentioned in Scripture this is NOT your corrupt Roman Catholic Cult.



Wake-up Sharon, the Roman Catholic Cult will be destroyed whan Jesus returns . . .

Answer 10

not the KJV Bible.

check your sources.



please

Answer 11

A person can know with certainty Catholicism is the One True Faith by reciting daily and with care the angelic psalter of the Virgin Mary.

Answer 12

If an organisation called the "Catholic church" really gave mankind the bible then



i) God is a liar or the bible is corrupt - because the bible tells us it is God's "LIVING and ACTIVE" word.... Now if Catholic could just explain how men (any men) could be in any way, shape or form responsible for something in which God is "LIVING and ACTIVE"............ perhaps Catholics should understand that God doesn't need men, for even the stones will sing His praise.



ii) Mankind is doomed. Is God, God? If so, could He use a snake or a donkey to speak? can He make a man out of the dust? Did Abraham give us the ten commandments? YES - NO NO NO. If man has any part to play in the compilation of the bible then it is flawed by His sin and of limited to use to mankind. If God protected it from such error then God compliled it despite man's sin and no man has any credit in it...............how ironic that Catholics claim this principle as the reason the Catholic church has been consistent in the faith yet ignore it as they boast of the bible compilation....................





.. and it's detestable how Catholics try to usurp the word of God into something it is clearly not. Verses like Matthew 16:17-19 make no mention of an organisation let alone one called the Catholic Church. More than that the bible ONLY talks about church in the sense of it being people not an organisation. How frustrating it is too Catholics to know that the ONLY church demonstrated in the bible was i) not an organisation ii) was not united in agreement iii) had different problems and different beliefs iv) was comprised of different churches in different towns that had no connection...... God must have really screwed up in giving us these examples when (according to Catholics the church is an organisation)..



More than that.... the bible tells us that the church is Christ's bride..... What a wonderfully ridiculous picture of Christ marrying an organisation!

Answer 13

The Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. The Old Testament was written befoe Christianity and is still used by Jews, as well as Christians. The catholic Church (with a little "c") sorted through the Scriptures of the New Testament and finally canonized the New Testament (as in made it official) at the end of the 4th century because there was no official New Testament at the time Christianity was founded, and in fact a number of unauthentic writing existed within the Church that were circulated about. You have to remember that this was the age before modern communication and the printing press. DO NOT use the word Catholic Church (spelled with a big "C") to denote the ancient apostolic Church, because the truest origin of Roman Catholicism began in the Middle Ages. Eastern Orthodoxy shares the same history of the Roman Catholic Church, but Catholicism began modifying dogmas and doctrines that were not a part of original Christianity IN SPITE OF WHAT THEY SAY AND BELIEVE FOR THEMSELVES. The Orthodox DID NOT split away from Roman Catholicism and the Protestant Reformation occurred because of Rome's corruption.



I was in Roman Catholicism for 17 years and have nothing to learn where it is concerned. While I do retain some beliefs common to Catholicism, I think much of its theology is wayward and does not reflect what was laid out both in the Apostolic Tradition and Scripture

Answer 14

The very disobeying Catholic religion was Not ever dreamed up until 305/6 AD and by 29 lazy men that did NOT want to have to keep DOING ALL that is required of us! The reason it has always been kept listed part form all other Christian religions is because of how disobeying of the Bible it is.

Get a modern Catholic Bible and compare it to honest versions of the Bible; like the NIV and NLT Bible are very good. Matthew 5:17-20 would be a good place to start. The Catholic religion has never even taught the Second Commandment that requires us to never make an image of GOD, never to think that GOD looks like anything! GOD is Invisible! Also to pray Only to GOD! That If one prays to anything other than GOD, the prayers will Not be answered! (Like Never to pray to dead relatives or ones that have named as saints.) GOD ONLY!

ALL of the Commandments were given by GOD to MOSES and Moses wrote them all down; Thousands of years before Jesus even came!

If the Catholic religion has really said ALL of these to you yourself; I would grab my family and RUN! You are saying things here even they know are Impossible! Or could it be some relative or neighbor that has told you these wild FALSE stories?

Answer 15

No..God gave us the bible