Question:
Evolution from....Rocks?
Brock Lee
2008-07-05 15:08:54 UTC
I just read an answer that suggests he thinks evolution "started" from rocks.

"...The fairy tale of a self creating universe where rocks just decide to become alive and change into various creatures..."

While there are a vast number of things wrong with this sentence (such as the blatantly absent distinction between evolution and abiogenesis), it is not the first time I have heard it. Despite my efforts, I have yet to find one scientific peer reviewed journal or text book that suggests humans evolved or that life started directly from a rock. Can anyone tell me where this notion came from?
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On a side note: doesn't what he said sound strangely familiar to the Bible's story that claims God created Adam from dirt (which is mostly broken rock particles). Strange indeed...
Twenty answers:
2008-07-07 06:58:30 UTC
Consider this



Fingerprints of Creation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5725394906886443944



Mysteries In Science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zTXxpXOoe0



The Young Age of the Earth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1272542059740401469



The Origin of Man by Dr. Duane Gish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3FZDysZKFQ



The Origins of Life

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3181822797567477581



Evolution: Challenge of the Fossil Record - Part 1 of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NkO6fQvydM



Skull Fossils - As Empty as the Evolutionary Theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yu5jN897kM



Neanderthals - Smarter Then We Thought

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxL636n3w2o



Dinosaurs: Those Terrible Lizards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVvGByvp13Q



Atheist's NightMare: Evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udqoCGPnVmE
2008-07-05 19:47:28 UTC
There is so much Creationist nonsense, it's hard to keep track of.

On YouTube, I've seen Kirk Cameron, a washed-up child star, claim that, if evolution were true, there should be fossils of a "Crockoduck". He makes things up, ridicules them, and thinks he's a scientist.

Cameron's companion (I forget his name) claims that there is obviously a God because the banana fits in his hand.

There is a video of a guy I really thought was joking until he was done, who claims that abiogenesis can't be true or we'd find new life forms in every unopened jar of peanut butter.



These people are sincere, though intentionally insulting, and think that we are all stupid and that science must be wrong because it does not include the Book of Genesis.



We are the laughing stock of the world: the most powerful nation on Earth where elected officials want to teach Holy Poof Magic as Biology yet expect expert medical care when they're ill.



OK, maybe Iran and Turkey don't think we're so funny...
2008-07-05 16:51:30 UTC
sgatlant - - is right. You have a couple of other good answers much along the same lines.



The chemical phenomenon of small molecules being adsorbed by the surfaces of solids is well understood. Note -aDsorbed, not aBsorbed. This is may be a single layer of the small molecules on the surface but it can also be thicker. The amount adsorbed will change with physical conditions.



Because the surfaces of solids have a slight electrical charge, and chemical reactions are about the exchange or sharing of electrons between atoms, adsorption can assist with making chemical reaction go ahead. Some reactions are nearly impossible to do without such assistance but with the right solids they will happen quite rapidly. This is called catalysis.



Added to the bulk effects are rather more refined ones. Solids are often crystalline, that is the atoms in them are arranged in a particular way. All true minerals are crystalline. All molecules have a particular shape, even simple things like water. So a small molecule with a particular shape can arrange itself on a crystalline surface in a particular way. Another molecule, either of the same compound or a different but similar one could lie on the surface in the same way.



Very good examples of molecules of different compounds but with a similar overall layout are the amino acids. These have a general structure when neutral of NH2-CH(R)-COOH. The -COOH is the acid part, and is the active thing in vinegar, while NH2- is the amino part and is derived from ammonia.



The R means any one of dozens chemical groups that may themselves be acid, basic or neutral. In nature the COOH group of one molecule can react with the NH2 part of another and the result can form long chains called peptides or proteins. These peptides and proteins can themselves be chemically active because of their own shape and distribution of electrical charge.



This effect can also work with molecules like DNA and RNA which are also long chains. RNA is particularly fond of calcium phosphate, a relatively common mineral in nature.



EDIT- that probably should read "some clay minerals" rather than "calcium phosphate". I can't quite remember which.



Creationist leaders get away with ridiculing these facts because their audiences know nothing or next to nothing of physical chemistry, catalysis or stereochemistry, which is about the shape of molecules. They can say that "evolutionists say that life came from rocks" but that is false. What is being suggested is that life may have been facilitated on crystals.



The people who wrote the early parts of the Bible may not have known a lot but they were not stupid. They also inherited maybe a thousand years of some rough and ready "science" from the Mesopotamians and Egyptians. It might have been pretty clear that dead things turned to "dust" particularly in an arid climate, so it's not unreasonable to think they might have been formed from it in the first place.
sgatlantisrose
2008-07-05 15:16:46 UTC
This might come from one theory I've seen concerning abiogenesis. The issue is how amino/protein chains could survive long enough replicate and thus achieve the status of a lifeform, especially before developing a cellular membrane. The hypothesis I saw to address this suggested that such protein chains wedged into some form of crystalline rock . which gave them enough protection for replication to eventually occur. This is not an accepted theory yet; it has been proposed fairly recently and I'm not aware of any tests done to determine if this is a viable hypothesis or not. But count on the creationists to distort something like this and saying "life came from rocks".
Light and Truth
2008-07-05 15:27:40 UTC
Some material in the universe is so refined that we cannot see or observe it with our physical eyes. Most of the electromagnetic spectrum, such as cosmic radiation, X rays, microwaves, and electric current, falls into this category, although we now have equipment to measure much of it. Other forms of matter are not yet observable by human eyes or machinery. One such refined essence is the spirit found within each living person, "For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy." (D&C 93:33.) The human spirit is composed of real, refined matter. As the Prophet Joseph taught, "all spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; we cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter." (D&C 131:7-8.)



Anything created,” he explained, “cannot be eternal; and earth, water, etc., had their existence in an elementary state, from eternity” (Teachings, p. 158). He said further, “That which has a beginning will surely have an end” (ibid., p. 181). Thus the gods took chaotic matter and formed or organized the world. The Prophet further explained: “Element had an existence from the time [God] had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning, and can have no end.” (Ibid., pp. 351–52.) Joseph Smith also clarified that “insubstantial substance” or “immaterial matter” are contradictions in terms. “There is no such thing as immaterial matter,” he taught near Nauvoo. “All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes; we cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.” (D&C 131:7–8.) On an earlier occasion the Prophet declared that “spirit is a substance; that it is material, but that it is more pure, elastic and refined matter than the body; that it existed before the body, can exist in the body; and will exist separate from the body, when the body will be mouldering in the dust; and will in the resurrection, be again united with it”
2008-07-05 15:20:14 UTC
Kent Hovind says that all the time...well said it, as he is in prison now



Well of course Earth a few billion years ago was just dry.

Then it began to rain on the ground(that is where they get the rocks from). Anyways amino acids and the first self replicating RNA molecules spawned from this primordial soup.



So he is saying it started to rain on the rocky ground, organic material formed, amino acids formed, RNA formed and duplicated, that led to DNA,etc.... until cells formed



Of course it is much easier and very dishonest to just say "rocks evolved into monkeys" like creationists do
2008-07-05 15:18:24 UTC
Think of it this way.



Geology is a natural process that allowed for the chemistry and energy needed for self replicating molecules to form, life happened and evolution takes over and here we are.



Nothing supernatural needed. Very simple actually, we just don't yet know exact what chemistry was there at the time, but there is NO REASON to believe anything else had to occur.



No intelligent designer required, no matter how unlikely, since it happened ONCE and here we are! The huge odds against it happening are meaningless, since we're here it had to have happened, once.



Billions of years allow for loads of unlikely things to happen, people's short lives don't lend us much chance to understand how long billions of years really is...the complexity of life on the planet is huge, but it all follows from the explanation given above...



Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust is literally true however, life is here to **** more dirt, that's all.



Humans put loads of other stuff out there for Purpose/meaning of our life, but none are true...we eat and **** and that's our legacy.
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2016-10-04 16:27:49 UTC
a million) in accordance to evolutionists, human beings stepped forward from apes? human beings are apes via definition. Linnaeus labeled us as such and he grew to become right into a creationist. 2) there are various shown info in technological know-how, yet evolution is in straightforward terms a theory. fake simply by a faux impression of the be conscious theory. A actuality, in technological know-how, is a discrete area of tips. Theories connect info and clarify them. there's no greater class than theory. 3) A transitional sort is a fossil of an animal that's a factor one species and area yet another. fake. All organisms are transitional. 4) The age of the earth is desperate via scientists entirely in direction of the radioactive relationship of fossils ? The age of the Earth grew to become into desperate via relationship a meteor on the theory that the photograph voltaic gadget grew to become into each and every of the comparable age. All different calculations extra healthful the age chanced on. 5) The scientific approach starts off with a prediction and then looks for info to help that prediction? It starts off with remark. Then a hypothesis is formed from that remark. After the hypothesis is formed, scientists seek for info to help or falsify the hypothesis. 6) the assumption of evolution includes the massive Bang? fake. 7) To have self belief in evolution is to have self belief that life and count number got here from no longer something? fake.
Squidbillie
2008-07-05 15:19:23 UTC
Many older shamanistic traditions speak of human coming from some interesting things. The Druids said mankind are the children of trees. Old Norse legend speaks of mankind being created from the maggots feeding on the giant body of the frost giant.
nitus324
2008-07-05 15:11:53 UTC
Rite.

But not by evolution, but by creation.

The term "dirt" or "dust" indicates just "made from mundane elements", while Eve "taken from Adam´s rib" indicates the female has only a part of the male´s genetic equipment.



You could clone a billion different females from a man´s genome, but not a single man from females, even if you compile a trillion women.
Angel of Caffeine JPA
2008-07-05 15:17:41 UTC
I alerted the biologist I live with. She rolled her eyes and said that people without the brain capacity to understand abiogenesis often make absurd statements about it.



I'm not going to tell her that I don't fully understand abiogenesis. She can be rather scathing.



Peace
scribblo
2008-07-05 15:25:39 UTC
I'm partial, myself, to:



"Lightning striking a mud puddle," and



"From Goo to the Zoo to You."



But the rock thing definitely gets an honorable mention.
RWLake
2008-07-05 15:13:25 UTC
I don't know about Rocks but let me ask you, can you or anyone you know tell the world how God created it?
Donna
2008-07-05 15:12:38 UTC
I've never heard of rocks coming alive either......Unless you're reading the fantastic 4
The Paul
2008-07-05 15:12:36 UTC
It doesn't come from anywhere, it's just a strawman that they think sounds good. That's how this works, if you've been at it a while you should know that.
ANDRE L
2008-07-05 15:17:06 UTC
Creationists/IDiots make up all sorts of science ignorant moronisms to try to push their fictional sky pixie. Pay them no ind, for they have none.



Its called Lying For Jeezus.
punch
2008-07-05 15:12:29 UTC
Well, it's wrong of course. Not unusual for some Christians to get all of that stuff wrong.
I STAR STUPID R&S QUESTIONS!
2008-07-05 15:11:33 UTC
I once read a comment from a Christian here to the effect of, "How can atheists think that whales evolved from strawberries?".
Nijg
2008-07-05 15:14:31 UTC
I didn't know Chuck Norris was a rock...
Vengeful_Hippie (AM)
2008-07-05 15:12:32 UTC
At one time, this would have shocked me. I would have thought "No one can be that stupid!"



But they can. And they are beyond help.


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