Question:
Continuing with philisophical questions-- When is a choice really a choice?
anonymous
2011-03-06 16:43:16 UTC
Fate and destiny aside, of course. Because with fate, there are no choices. Even if the bible says 'you can go on the good path or the bad path' apparently God is all-knowing, and will know what you are to do in any case.

Anyways, consider this: An African boy is in his "house" when it is raided by soldiers. They tell him he can *choose* to come with them and become a soldier and they will let his family live, or he can *choose* not to and his family will die.
Is this really a choice?
What do you think?

I think that it isn't, because there is only one realistic option assuming the boy loves his family. Yes, he can CHOOSE either way, but he won't. I think a "choice situation" is one where there are at least two feasable, reasonable options. Instead of, "you can chose to eat this popsicle or not" it would be "you can have this popsicle, or this icecream, or nothing". There are at least two options there that would allow a person to make a decision based on their preferences, timing, and what is "right", not because if they don't there will be a consequence such as not having one at all.

Another example: A prison guard tells a prisoner that he can squat and cough or not squat and cough and be sprayed with mace and be forced to squat and cough. Is there REALLY a choice here? If the prisoner has any sort of reasonable mind, he will squat and cough.

The reason I ask this is because most adults say these sorts of things. They give two "choices" both of which are unpleasent, and say, "this is YOUR choice, Susan. I am not telling you what to do, YOU are deciding for yourself. Clean your room or don't and get your allowance taken away."

What do you think?
Eight answers:
anonymous
2011-03-06 17:04:47 UTC
Well it depends, you will find that there are many philosophers that do not believe in free will at all, that we are the sum of our experiences/genes/external environment and the act of decision making is just an illusion, that we never really had a choice in the first place.

On the other side of the spectrum philosophers will argue that the act of logically thinking through any issue, and coming to a conclusion is proof of free will. Both arguments do have merit, they are too extensive to go in to atm.



I believe that the truth lies somewhere in between, you are very right in a way he did not have a choice, but the result of the situation lies in the decision that he made. The boy chooses the act will result in the best possible outcome. I don't think that is the point though you wanted to make, it is that we cannot judge the boy.



I think what you are getting at is that God does not have the right to judge us about certain acts of wrong. But that is why God judges the heart, which is far deeper than the action. And this is why no man is beyond redemption....It is why in many respects God might consider that single kind action from a hardened hearted, burdened man as a greater act of kindness then a Christian dying on behalf of his fellow Christians . That is why good actions alone will never get one into "Heaven", because a person who just acts good is just the product of a particular upbringing/environment/genetics. And this is why the bible says that our righteousness is as filthy rags, because none of us are capable of an entirely selfess act.



I think that you are drawing a comparison between the threatened boy/soldiering with Hell/Christianity. Think of it this way. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say 'believe in God or I will kill you' You are no more likely to believe in God. It would be like trying to run through a brick wall, just down right impossible. I know that feeling because I have been there before. Hell MAY* and I emphasize may, serve as a motive for following God, but it does not explain people's belief in God. Belief in God/heaven/hell must come prior to fear, because you do not fear that which you believe does not exist, agreed? The same principle applies to any other selfish motive, something external must occur to create that initial belief in God, assuming that the person actually believes in God and it is not a case of Pascal's Wager. People might say, no the gun is different. You are right the gun is different, because the subject can physically see the gun, their fear is rational, and yet belief in God still cannot be created, like an off/on switch.



Belief in God/heaven and hell must come before that fear.



At which point we cross into the realm of free will in respects to belief in God. Which is an entirely different subject. I won't go into it, I will just say, and this is a little off topic. Some Christians will tell you that you need to know Jesus to be "forgiven" or to get into "heaven" or what not. Assuming that Jesus is the key, do you think that knowing Jesus is restricted to reading about him on a piece of paper? Absolutely not, it is far deeper then that, which is why I believe God is accessible through other means and mediums.
anonymous
2011-03-06 16:59:49 UTC
well, have you ever really thought about it ...

sincerely...and seriously

i have

choices are neat and if youre paying attention

you can feel the shift of each choice you make

we have choices we make without even realizing thats what we're doing

choices

cause and affect

choices

consequences

just because the shortest distance between two points is a straight line

doesnt mean that each soul will travel to their "fate/destiny" in this manner

too many of us like to stop and smell the roses along the way

after all ...its our life to experience

the power of free will

choices

the power of cause and affect behind choices

the power behind the consequences



a choice is really a choice

the question is

are you as careful and cautious with the choices you make

knowing each choice comes with its own cause/affect
Billy!
2011-03-06 16:57:26 UTC
Yes, you always have that choice. Only you can control what you do. If you choose to do something out of fear you are still the one who chooses to do it. It is only the exceptionally courageous who stick to their convictions when faced with an undesirable consequence. But integrity is only a gift you can give yourself.
frigge
2016-10-02 02:02:14 UTC
by way of fact those eventualities insinuate rationality interior the undertaking being asked, they might't be seen plausible whilst asked what's a decision and what isn't. truthfully, the two one in each and every of those eventualities require a decision. a decision has no longer something to do with rationality. you're purely making the alternative. a decision does not might desire to be rational. it incredibly is regularly in user-friendly terms a decision. the outcomes are purely what makes the determination extra straightforward.
anonymous
2011-03-06 16:51:31 UTC
Had this thought myself, and no answer. If there were 2 good options then that would define a rational choice wouldn't it.
gismoII
2011-03-06 16:54:56 UTC
Even though it will not ultimately do one any good, one can still freely reject God. And the proof is that folks do reject God. However, they still do thinking they still really gain.
Just Me
2011-03-06 16:44:58 UTC
A hard or meaningless choice is still a choice.
anonymous
2011-03-06 16:45:15 UTC
You just made one


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