Question:
EVOLUTIONISTS, ATHEISTS, RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE YOUR REASONINGS SIMILAR?
GRACE C
2012-04-27 05:02:02 UTC
Evolution refers to organic evolution—the theory that the first living organism developed from nonliving matter. Then, as it reproduced, it is said to have changed into different kinds of living things, producing ultimately all forms of life that have ever existed on earth, including humans. And all of this is believed to have been accomplished without intelligent direction or supernatural intervention.
Atheism - The denial of God’s existence.
Religion - A form of worship. It includes a system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; these may be personal, or they may be advocated by an organization. Usually religion involves belief in God or in a number of gods; or it treats humans, objects, desires, or forces as objects of worship.
The reasonings of these groups are similar in that none give irrefutable PROOF as to the reality of their teachings.
An Evolutionist states “facts” for which he has very rarely researched.
An Atheist’s only “proof” that there is no god is that believers cannot prove that there is a god.
Religious people quote John 3:16 but cannot answer the question: If Jesus died so that man could have eternal life, then why are people still dying? (John 3:16) “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
So, would anyone like to give me irrefutable PROOF as to the reality of their teachings?
Thirteen answers:
anonymous
2012-04-30 20:50:54 UTC
Evolution is utter nonsense.



Colossians 1:16

SDA
Zombie
2012-04-27 05:22:40 UTC
> "Evolution refers to organic evolution—the theory that the first living organism developed from nonliving matter."



Wrong. Evolution is biological change over time. It presupposes that abiogenesis occurred at some point. It does not presuppose how.



> "Atheism - The denial of God’s existence."



The would be positive, strong or gnostic atheism. In a more general sense, atheism is simply disbelief in gods, in the same way one might disbelieve in anything else (e.g. Sauron, Zeus, Pangu and Smurfs). Most, not all, dictionaries acknowledge this distinction, because it's a semantic sticking point to simply pin down what is meant by "denial." In my experience, most atheists do not claim knowledge of all gods' nonexistence, only a lack of evidence *for* their existence, ergo the atheist does not believe.



> "An Evolutionist states “facts” for which he has very rarely researched."



Apparently, you did not conduct sufficient research before making this claim.



> "An Atheist’s only “proof” that there is no god is that believers cannot prove that there is a god."



There are logical proofs against the existence of certain types of gods, which you might know if you had researched. Since atheism is merely a negative position in most cases, however, a lack of positive evidence for the contrary position is all the justification required. This is also the case for belief in Smurfs, orcs, elves, fairies, goblins, Apollo, Shiva, Batman, etc.



> "If Jesus died so that man could have eternal life, then why are people still dying?"



I hate to defend the religious, but you're even wrong here. "Eternal life" as believed in by most Christians does not mean eternal life in this lifetime, in original earthly bodies. It refers to an eternal spirit that, according to some sects, will eventually be rejoined with a glorified body. It seems you don't understand religion any better than you understand science and philosophy.
Brigalow Bloke
2012-04-27 06:06:28 UTC
"Evolution refers to organic evolution—the theory that the first living organism developed from nonliving matter."



No, it does not, not even close. Biological evolution is any change in the frequency of alleles in a population of organisms. That means overall genetic changes in an existing population. Check a real biology textbook, not some web site.



If you want to get on here and tell us about evolution, you will only be taken semi-seriously if you show some sign of knowing what it is.



'An Evolutionist states “facts” for which he has very rarely researched"



I have worked in and around science since 1970 including 19 years in various kinds of laboratories and the last 22 years and nine months looking up facts in scientific and technical publications almost every working day. I know where to look for facts.



Have you ever researched creationist claims? Why not?



Just as a mild amusement, I started checking out young Earth creationist claims 14 years ago. I have found only one that might be true. Might be, not is. What I have PROOF of, is that young Earth creationist leaders are liars and their followers witlessly repeat these lies as facts which they have never researched.



For example, here's one creationist claim:



"Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his "missing link"). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52)"



My response:



In this case "very close" means about 104 kilometres (65 miles) away. The "Java man" remains were in the flood plain of the Sulo / Solo River, the Wadjak skulls were in caves in the hills. Dubois published on the Wadjak skulls in 1891 in a Dutch scientific journal, but since they were of a modern type they were not of great interest. This 1891 publication is available from several libraries in the USA alone. After some prodding from friends, he published again in 1923. The "Java man" material was not modern so it got most of the attention.



Hanegraaff is wrong, and his source is a liar. This particular creationist lie dating from 1985 was exposed in a book called "Telling Lies for God: Reason vs Creationism" by Ian Plimer, Random House, Sydney, published in 1994, four years before Hanegraaff published and the lies can still be found on the net.



You can Google the text of the Hanegraaff quote if you like, I'm not making it up.



"Earth's crust devoid of fossils" (Duane Gish, 1980s) [I suppose they hang in the air just like bricks]



The 1981 claim by Gish that English scientist Solly Zuckerman had studied the" Lucy" fossil for 15 years and concluded she could not walk upright. The fossil was found in late 1973 and Zuckerman retired from active science about 1969. Though corrected, Gish made this this same claim on two known occasions in the later 1980s. This lie can be found on the net too, more than 30 years after it was exposed.



The deliberate mistranslation of German "instabil" as English "explosive" in the case of the bombardier beetle.



The deliberate omission of "In a closed system" from their recitation of the second law of thermodynamics to "prove" that evolution cannot happen. That turns up here every few weeks.



The false claim that "information" must be added to a genome for mutations to occur when evolution requires only a change - which may include addition, frameshifts, deletion or the change of just one nucleotide to another, something which can be observed by direct chemical analysis. Biological patents often contain many pages detailing such mutations, both natural and artificial.



The claim that C-14 is used to date ancient rocks when it is not capable of such use.



How many more straightforward creationist lies do you need?



How many mining and oil companies run on "Flood geology"? How many manufactures of drugs, vaccines, insulin, growth hormones or agricultural chemicals use "creation biology"?



If they do not use these creationist ideas, why not?
lauber
2016-10-23 12:19:03 UTC
In different words, you admit that even with God explicitly telling Christians in the two gadgets of Ten Commandments, "Thou shalt no longer kill," they nevertheless do. yet this is beside the ingredient, isn't it? Hitler became into no longer an atheist. planned Parenthood isn't an atheistic business enterprise. many females who've abortions are theists. Mao became into an atheist. Stalin became into an atheist. There has, in spite of the shown fact that, been no link made between their atheism and their penchants for mass homicide. Given a theistic Mao and a theistic Stalin, the tip sport, regrettably, would have been a similar.
TONI101
2012-04-27 05:23:44 UTC
In the Bible prophecies it shows that even though Jesus died so that obedient mankind could have eternal life, it also show that certain other things have to take place before this is granted.

(Psalm 37:9-10) For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.  And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.



(Revelation 18:2-5) And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” 4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.



(Daniel 2:44) “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.



I noticed that the other answers you received still gave no proof of the reality of their teachings.
Chris Ancor
2012-04-27 05:07:55 UTC
No, because irrefutable PROOF would require a whole book & no-one is going to post that here. I suggest joining a library & doing some reading.
anonymous
2012-04-27 05:05:14 UTC
No, our reasonings are NOT similar.





And fyi, evolution does not speak about how like started or originated. It just explains that life changes over periods of time.
anonymous
2012-04-27 05:02:59 UTC
"Evolution refers to organic evolution—the theory that the first living organism developed from nonliving matter. "



NO, IT DOES NOT.



If you can't get your FIRST sentence to be factual, it is no wonder you have no clue.



"Atheism - The denial of God’s existence" DUE TO THE COMPLETE LACK OF EVIDENCE.



"An Evolutionist states “facts” for which he has very rarely researched" EXCEPT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF VOLUMES OF BOOKS AND EXPERIMENTS DONE OVER 100'S OF YEARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE TO EXAMINE AND CHALLENGE.
fruitsalad
2012-04-27 05:10:06 UTC
Proof is a mathematical concept, not a scientific one. Scientists find evidence consistent (or not) with theories, they don't prove things.
anonymous
2012-04-27 05:15:19 UTC
i don't believe in god(s). what else is there to 'prove'?





and i can quote science books just as easily as you can quote bible verses, so frankly i don't see your point.
Rob
2012-04-27 05:04:03 UTC
Wow, trying very hard to fight those doubts huh?
1atn3h
2012-04-27 05:03:29 UTC
no, just no.



god is still fake.
Ava
2012-04-29 15:57:31 UTC
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?


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