Question:
What do you guys/girls think of evilution?
Defending the truth
2008-11-04 22:51:33 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad-sh1q2Iec&watch_response
Yes I realize it is evolution but for emphasis of the video name it is called evilution.

Seriously, I also was wondering just because apes have similar attributes as a Human, couldnt that just mean they have the same designer? Like a car company who makes a whole bunch of cars and they have similar parts or models.
(Designer meaning God, I am a Christian.)

Keep the language G-rated atheists because I know how some of you find this topic really personal and get angry. Well, keep it G-rated because these are simple questions and they need simple answers other than **** fundie. or Creationist...
Nineteen answers:
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:54:48 UTC
You should get an education, you really need one!
jeanniewood
2008-11-04 23:17:36 UTC
Okay, *sigh* where to start... I actually watched the video. Holy freaker- I actually watched the sad excuse for a video. #1: Anthropologists don't "stick their own date" on bedrock. That bedrock in dated for specific reasons. We didn't just randomly decided that a ring on a tree could repersent a year- it does because we've studied trees and learned enough about environmental changes to know that a ring DOES represent a seasonal difference. #2: Believers in evolution don't necessarily not believe in god, we just believe in evolution and the knowledge that we started somewhere. But for a believer to simply decide evolution can't be possible is one sided and over ambitious. Your argument video states that evolution can't be real because we don't have enough proof- when the only real fact is that you haven't studied enough into understanding that proof. The video however states that the only proof a believer needs is a book that may or may not have been written by a crazy-man in a cave c. 2,000 years ago. Not saying it was, not saying it wasn't, but you have no proof either way- whilst we do.



Micro-evolution as a note: we've seen and can force the evoution of a species, such as dogs or horses. We see the evolution of viruses as a day to day issue with new colds and flu seasons. And yet, the possibility of humans doing the same is impossible? No reason but because the lord said so, you've seen it with your own eyes but you can't admit we're just as real as these other creatures? Please!



And as for the hidden link, there is none. We don't need a hidden link. We've seen the original ape species change and grow into a more human like form; and there IS an overabundance of proof on this matter; just that some churces refuse to show it to their followers. We've seen the ape split off into Neanderthal, Cro Magnon, and the different versions of Homo. (Man). We've also seen the degredation of many of those species. We've seen the Cro fall. We've seen Neanderthal pass the same say. They weren't that different then us, they just couldn't adapt as quickly.



Seriously, please- I'm not saying that god doesn't exist. Im not so self centered. But evolution is fact that can be studied and understood with the right determination. Both can be true. Or, if you rather, believe that God made Atom (not Adam- spelling mistake) in his image. That makes all creatures on this planet in his image, and evoution possible. It also brings in all the earth religions, because the trees and flowers etc should be just as important as god made them also, in his image. Also, atoms are everywhere, just as God (should he exist) is apparently. He made Atom in a perfectly serene garden (nothing), he split from god's grace (which causes explosion- see Newton)- ergo, causing big bang, cascade, insanity, weirdness abound... and the universe as we know it starts to exist...



Whatever, but im just trying to let you see that there are more possibilities then a book. God may exist; I admit that- so please admit that evolution is perfectly possible.
Bill K Atheist Goodfella
2008-11-04 22:59:49 UTC
I'm not impressed with your argument, honestly.



Seriously, if you can view the similarity between primate species, why is it so difficult to take the time to do the research (at least read up on it), and acknowledge that, of the two arguments presented, evolution is the only one that has any evidence to support it. To use your own analogy, the car company would be the common ancestor, and the various, similar species would be the different models brought about by evolution.



Refusing to accept the evidence doesn't make the facts of evolution any less real.
Dreamstuff Entity
2008-11-04 22:55:51 UTC
Claim CI141:

Similarities in anatomy and DNA sequences simply reflect the fact that the organisms had the same designer.



Response:



1. Different forms also (it is claimed) come from the same designer, so similar forms are not evidence of a common designer. Evidence for a designer must begin by specifying (before the fact) what is expected from the designer. When do we expect similar forms, and when do we expect different forms? "Intelligent design" theory will not answer that. Evolution theory has made that prediction, and the pattern of similarities and differences that we observe accords with what evolution predicts.



2. There are similarities that cannot rationally be attributed to design. For example, an endogenous retroviral element (ERV) is a retrovirus (a parasite) that has become part of the genome. There are several kinds of ERVs, and they can insert themselves at random locations. Humans and chimps have thousands of such ERVs in common -- the same type of ERV at the same location in the genome (D. M. Taylor 2003).



3. The "form follows function" principle is the opposite from what we expect from known design.



References:



1. Taylor, D. M, 2003. Alignment of Chimp_rp43-42n4 against human chromosome 15. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lilyth/erv
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:55:59 UTC
um you'll find evolution is now a scientific fact. What do you believe in gravity for? Don't you think god just makes everything fall? Evolution doesn't exclude god anyways, obviously it all started somewhere and whos to say it wasn't his plan. But yeah, I don't have the time to tell you all the reasons that evolution is true and creationism is preposterous. I also didn't watch whatever joke of a video that was.
dobodob17
2008-11-04 23:07:35 UTC
They want you to like the "whole animation of the video" because there's no SCIENCE to back it up. Evolution is a proven FACT. There is no disputing it. You sound like an inquisitive person. Please go to college and take a geology, anthropology or biology class. Major in Theology for all I care! Just educate yourself, have an OPEN MIND. You'll find MANY books referencing the bible, but THOUSANDS of books referencing evolution.....
Ephemerae Inc.
2008-11-04 22:57:34 UTC
You do know how flawed that video was, right?



Do enough research on both sides of the argument and you'll see that the supposed facts are nothing but fallacious lies.



Bearing that in mind, the fact that apes and humans have similar traits do not imply a designer.
ANDRE L
2008-11-04 22:56:30 UTC
In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.



Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.



Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.



- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981



Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.



- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983
Nomad
2008-11-04 23:10:08 UTC
so, they cant pose a scientific argument against it, or for creationism so they use childish smears





common gentic traits that further seperate through lineage, mammals are more closely relate to reptiles than they are to fish,



For the sake of argument, lets say comon designer, then who designed, which god designed the god of the bible or a god or gods from other religions?
anonymous
2008-11-04 23:06:49 UTC
I don't mind how ignorant you are; just keep your invisible sky guy beliefs out of my face and everything will be cool.



"really personal and get angry."

Kid, I don't get angry - children get angry; adults laugh.



I come here for the comedy and fundie does it WAAYYY best.



Thank YOU ! for contributing to my excellent health.

Laughter really IS the best medicine.

~
terafloop
2008-11-04 22:55:12 UTC
Your argument that "maybe apes look similar because they have the same designer" makes no sense given that you also think SQUIDS have the same designer as do humans.



Apes look similar to humans because humans ARE apes.
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:56:05 UTC
By your logic,



God made turtles.



God made me.



Therefore, I look like a turtle.



Good job, monkey brain.
I just got a great Haircut
2008-11-04 23:03:29 UTC
It's offensive to think that I could come from something so ugly. There is no way evilution is possible.
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:54:38 UTC
You've been given simple answers, and you don't get it. I'd give you the more complex answers, but you probably wouldn't get that either. So I'll just let you go on in your smug self-righteousness. Have fun!
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:56:15 UTC
You make it obvious what you think by your deliberate mispelling. I believe their is more evidence for it then their is for your god.
anonymous
2008-11-04 22:55:46 UTC
I can spell evolution right, you can't.



It's okay your still in the process you have reach my stage of perfection yet.
Author Unknown
2008-11-04 23:07:14 UTC
It's childishly uninformed, as are you.
Justin L
2008-11-04 22:58:58 UTC
It is a lie made by the devil to cover up the truth. in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth read it in the bible in the book of Genesis.
☮selina☮ [vegan] [OBAMA<3]
2008-11-04 22:55:19 UTC
it's science

it happened

there's proof


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