Question:
Do Christians know that being ignorant of evidence that supports evolution doesnt mean it isnt a proven fact?
anonymous
2013-10-15 08:22:26 UTC
Just because people choose to believe something doesn't validate your faith and invalidate proven facts, it means you're ignorant and deluded. It makes me laugh when Christians say their is no proof for evolution, this is the height of ignorance and hypocrisy, 1. get a real education. 2. stop believing things which really have no proof (deities, the bible, etc) and 3. stop egotistically thinking the world revolves around what you believe.
Nineteen answers:
LillyB
2013-10-16 00:22:17 UTC
I am not a christian and don't believe in god, I am also educated with a strong interest in science and I can assure you that evolution is not a proven fact. There is evidence for evolution of lots of species and no doubt lots more that we just haven't found. There is however as yet no evidence to support the evolution of man. In the absence of that evidence evolution remains a theory. Good science relies on scientists maintaining an open mind. Many things we have taken as "facts" in the past have turned out not to be so.
?
2013-10-15 08:30:13 UTC
Hello! I am a previous biology major, which I'm sure you know this means that I've learned a great deal about evolution. As a Christian I can say EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN! There is proof of it every where you look to totally deny it is ignorant and I can understand your frustration in this matter.



However, perhaps you aren't speaking to the right Christians. I believe in God and I believe in evolution, because I believe he created the initial organisms that have evolved today. So, while you can disagree you are intelligent enough to respect the views of others and realize this is simply just my perspective to your answer.



What scares Christians about evolution is that it would be saying there isn't a God. What many Christians don't believe is there can both evolution and God. Because God created the initial organisms that then evolved into different or variations of the same organisms.



Coming from a science background makes religion incredibly hard we are taught not to just believe blindly but to search for answers and proof of what we believe. Sometimes, which in my case you see that proof that you need and you can feel it. I have all the proof I need that there is a God and that there is evolution.



Realize as an educated and cultured person there is diversity in the world we must all believe differently or there would be consequence's to everyone believing the same way. Diversity is good and well intentioned. Don't be as ignorant as some of the people you are referring to and allow them to believe as they please and be tolerant of others that is after all what an intellectually mature individual behaves like.



Good luck!
Trevor
2013-10-15 23:07:05 UTC
There is no empirical evidence for Darwinian Evolution, the hypothesis that all life forms are related to a common ancestor.



Fitz has given "circumstantial evidence" the majority of which has a better interpretation from the creationist worldview.



It is interest to note that Fitz starts with genetics. An information system so complex that man has yet to match it. Information always comes from an intelligent source, so first one has to overcome the 1st law of information. Secondly the information management systems make increasing net information by beneficial mutations virtually impossible. Thirdly we observe genetic entropy rates far higher than beneficial mutation rates. Indeed the genetic system bares out almost no support for the Darwinian hypothesis.



The there are the known non-sense or deceitful bits found in most text books. Peppered Moths, Fossil Record, Hind bones of the whale, the usual list of so called vestigial organs, etc. Peppered Moths only show adaptation at work, Hind bones are used in whale reproduction and were never legs, functions for virtually all so-called vestigial organs have been found, and the Fossil Record still has no transitional fossils and still has the Cambrian explosion.



"Evidence for a creator: None, it’s faith." - There is no scientific evidence but that is because science deals with the Natural, and God is Super-Natural.



Evidence for a creator - Look at the irreducible complexity of any living cell. The probability of a cell arising by chance from inorganic matter is nil. It will never happen, anywhere. Its called the law of biogenesis..
Maid Angela
2013-10-16 11:07:14 UTC
Of course the evidence for the process of evolution has lots of holes in it, It is a very complex subject and we have only been studying it for about 150 years and only recently discovered how RNA and DNA works. But there is no other explanation for the current state of life and species available. The one that a lot of people on this forum put forward ie. the biblical explanation is clearly nonsense put forward by some leaders of desert tribes a few thousand years ago who did not even know thar the earth went round the sun
Sam
2013-10-15 12:13:38 UTC
Evolution has plenty of holes as well, though; And Christianity has plenty of evidence. At this point, neither evolution NOR Christianity can be proven 100% truth and are simply theories.



People who don't question Evolution at all and refuse to even consider the possibility of a god are just as egotistical and ignorant as those who disregard the data collected in favour of evolution and only follow Christianity because they were told to or whatever reason they may have.



Until you can stand explain away every inconsistency anyone may face you with, 100% accurately, then you are just as "deluded" as everyone else.
?
2013-10-16 14:42:23 UTC
Please don't generalize Baby Arnie. Not all Christians are the ones you're referring to and the mere fact that you're generalizing it is offending to us. First of all not all of us don't believe in evolution. Yes, some Christians don't and some of those are just ignorant but still most of us believe or doesn't believe in it because of logical reasons. Another is, stop telling us to no believe in things that doesn't have proof. You don't understand how we believe things. I respect your beliefs so I suggest that you also respect ours. And the third one is wrong again. Not all of us are arrogant about our beliefs and as hell as not imposing our beliefs in others. Some of us respect the religion of others and we understand why people think that way. I hope you understand that not all Christians whom you're referring to. Maybe you''ve just mingled with the wrong Christians. If I'm not mistaken there are also arrogant atheists who would force their belief in others right? Our belief is no better than yours and vice versa. So I hope that we'll respect each other as much as we respect ourselves.
Tim C
2013-10-15 19:21:01 UTC
When evolution is proven it will no longer be the "Theory of Evolution" instead it will be the "Law of Evolution".



The status quo is that there are two sides, both with deep faith in their theory and both fond of citing circumstantial evidence as "proof."
Hi T
2013-10-16 03:55:13 UTC
Ha ha ha ha ha.

To believe all came into existence from nothing, by the power of nothing and for no reason or purpose and with out design, and by a random accidental explosion is pretty dumb, to say the least.

No species has ever changed into another species, throughout history or prehistory. There is absolutely no proof what so ever of any such thing ever having happened. Therefor it takes a lot of faith, more then I have as a Christian to believe that nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51rR4aC9aMg&NR=1&feature=endscreen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOypryu_sAU

http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionfraud.html

http://www.ucg.org/science/prove-evolution-false-even-without-bible-0/

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread163678/pg1

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee2/fossil-record

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/dawkins-delusion

There are many more sites that help to prove the falseness of the teaching of the theory of evolution, and that help to prove the truth and authenticity of the Holy Bible.

http://creation.com/dinosaur-questions-and-answers
Khakidoodle
2013-10-15 08:52:08 UTC
I am a Christian, and neither deny nor accept evolution, I know that God created man, and what the Bible says, but by what method He did it, we can't know. God shows us what we can understand as a demonstration of His power in ways that we accept and understand. Now, I am not denying the Bible only questioning the totality of our understanding. Faith is acceptance. Evolution as an idea is not wrong, but acceptance of it takes faith, and "proof" is not always accepted as fact, it takes belief in and acceptance as truth.
anonymous
2013-10-15 14:26:12 UTC
""Do Christians know that being ignorant of evidence that supports evolution doesnt mean it isnt a proven fact?""



they don't seem to grasp that simple fact...
Fitz
2013-10-15 08:24:10 UTC
Evidence for evolution:

DNA sequencing, Endogenous retroviruses, similarities between all lineages of DNA/RNA/amino acids & the lipid bilayer, Pseudogenes, genome & gene duplication, horizontal gene transfer, Cat endogenous retroviruses, Chromosome 2 in humans, Cytochrome c, Human endogenous retroviruses, Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup, Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, Atavisms, Evolutionary developmental biology & embryonic development, Homologous structures and divergent (adaptive) evolution, Nested hierarchies and classification, Fossil Record, Continental distribution, Island biogeography, Antibiotic & pesticide resistance, E. coli long-term evolution experiment, Lactose intolerance in humans, Nylon-eating bacteria, PCB tolerance, Peppered moth, Radiotrophic fungus, Urban wildlife. Vestigial structures in development including: Hind structures in whales, Insect mouthparts, Other arthropod appendages, Pelvic structure of dinosaurs, Pentadactyl limb, Recurrent laryngeal nerve in giraffes, Route of the vas deferens, Extrinsic ear muscles, The appendix, Goose bumps, The neck rib, The coccyx, The third eyelid remnants, Male nipples, Wisdom teeth, Observed speciation including: Oenothera gigas, Primula kewensis, Tragopogon, Raphanobrassica, Galeopsis tetrahit, Madia citrigracilis, Brassica, Adiantum pedatum, Woodsia abbeae, Stephanomeira malheurensis, Zea mays, Mimulus guttatus, Drosophila paulistorum, Drosophila melanogaster, Rhagoletis pomonella, Eurosta solidaginis, Tribolium castaneum.



Evidence for a creator:

None, it’s faith.





Then they'll say there's no evidence. It's just delusional.
Ernest S
2013-10-15 09:05:43 UTC
Sadly for you the stronger evidence disproves Evolution and shows it impossible.



Arguing from silence is the same as arguing from the space between the ears when the matter has already been proved against you.
Joseph
2013-10-15 08:29:29 UTC
Just like we must have 2 parents to become a baby, I believe that we also must believe in (1) evolution and (2) God.

Why is it that people cannot understand this bondage.
NDMA
2013-10-15 08:25:28 UTC
Given that evolution has zero impact on the Faith of Christianity or even a literal reading of Genesis 1 you really sound pretty uneducated yourself.
?
2013-10-15 08:38:15 UTC
No, they don't know that. They also don't know the meaning of the word theory, as their use of the term creationist theory proves
Tall Willow
2013-10-15 08:31:54 UTC
Most of them do, actually. Creationists are a minority of Christians, albeit a loud one.

Oh, and, BA, THERE is, not THEIR is.
Mr E
2013-10-15 12:48:26 UTC
it's supposed factuality is merely the conclusion of biased, misinformed atheists who only see what they want to see.
Chapter and Verse
2013-10-15 08:41:51 UTC
Why do you hate?
anonymous
2013-10-15 08:45:51 UTC
No they don't.


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