Question:
Why do freemasons think no one can possibly know what Freemasonry is all about unless you're on of them?
anonymous
2012-04-17 09:25:56 UTC
Freemasonry is an esoteric society, that should be enough for me as a Christian not to want to be part of it. But because I've been asked to joined by so many people, I read a lot of books on the subject.

The first thing freemasons will argue with me is that many Christians are freemasons. I don't care how many "Christians" are freemasons, that doesn't make it right. My God has a name, He's Jesus! I know the he "Supreme Being" can mean the Christian Trinity to a Christian Mason, Allah to a Muslim Mason, Para Brahman to a Hindu Mason, etc. That "being" is definitely NOT my God. My God has a name, and he's to be called by name.

I've read a lot on the rituals performed in lodges. And freemasons will argue I can't possibly understand what I'm talking since I've never been part of one of these rituals. Freemasons are SO religious, they believe no one can grasp understanding of what these rituals mean unless they've been "enlightened" by one of them.

I understand enough of these rituals to know I don't want to be a part of them. I will not be a part of any non-Biblical ritual. I will only pray in the name of Jesus, no one else!

But, no matter how much logic I try to use. I doesn't matter how much one has read on the subject. Freemasons will argue NO ONE can understand what they are saying unless they've become part of the brotherhood.

Why do freemasons think no one can understand anything about freemasonry unless you're one of them?
Eight answers:
meat
2012-04-17 10:08:14 UTC
Your question pretty much answers itself. That you went on beyond the question further demonstrates that you - specifically, you - know nothing about the fraternity. Which, coincidentally, reinforces the obvious: the only ones who would KNOW what Freemasonry is about is a Freemason. Duh.



NOTES:



- Freemasonry isn't an "esoteric society" by any stretch; it's a social fraternity. Freemasonry is easily understood by anyone. Well, with exceptions. You, for instance.



- Freemasonry doesn't recruit. To put that in simple words so that you can understand it: you won't get asked to join. Which makes it patently false that you've been asked to join by "so many people."



- Whatever you've read, they were certainly not books on Freemasonry.



- It's unlikely that Freemasons will 'argue with you' about anything. They'll certainly point out your ignorance, though. You, clearly, cannot 'argue' about Freemasonry, because a true argument can only happen from differing points of reason. You have no point of reason regarding Freemasonry, therefore, you cannot engage in an argument involving the topic.



- Your knowledge of Christianity is - wow! - SOOOOoooooOOoo incorrect I'd actually be SHOCKED if you'd ever even been in a church - much less able to recognize one from the outside (even if it were clearly marked). Not to mention your knowledge of other religions. While you may choose to misstate the name of God for your own purposes, it becomes more and more evident that you don't understand one of the fundamental tenets of the religion you keep claiming you're a part of: tolerance. If you don't understand that - which you CLEARLY don't - then you're not a Christian.



- Reading a ritual and understanding a ritual are two completely different things. Obviously, you've only read stuff on the internet, and don't understand how to interpret it properly. It's not that Freemasons are 'enlightened,' it's that they have a foundation to build upon. You have none. Might want to read up on where the best place to plant a seed is. It's written about repeatedly in the Bible (that's the book Christians read).



- It's been demonstrated (quite convincingly by you) that you do not use logic. You yourself even say: "no matter how much logic I try to use" which is a very telling statement, since you don't say you use logic, you only say you try to use some of it.



- A cult requires a religion. Freemasonry isn't a religion or a substitute for one, therefore it cannot be a cult. You, on the other hand, seem to be involved in some kind of anti-Christian hate group that could easily be described as a cult.



- Freemasonry is a social fraternity. It's not secret, it's not a society. It's not a secret society, nor is it a society with secrets.
Gray Wanderer
2012-04-19 20:21:39 UTC
So, you are a man named Sally?



BTW: With your ignorance of Freemasonry, you have answered your own question. The first is your claim that you have been asked to join. Bear much false witness?



You can read all the war books you want, and never know what it is like to be a soldier in battle, you have to be in battle to understand.
Werewolf
2012-04-18 16:11:12 UTC
Nice rant. Now how about some proof of your nonsense.

What's that? You won't offer any? You "won't" offer any because you can't offer any, because there isn't any proof of your nonsense.



I'm not a Freemason, but I'm smart enough to know when someone is lying about them. I would suggest that you do some REAL research, but I know you won't. Religious bigots think they know the truth to everything but close their eyes to the real truth. That's the difference between being Christian and merely religious.
s0mewhereny
2012-04-18 15:07:28 UTC
To explore the organization that some (very few, actually) so vehemently protest, we must first explain what Masonry IS! Here are some key points:



Freemasonry is the world's oldest and largest Fraternity. While its traditions look back to earliest history, Masonry in its current form appeared when its public events were noticed by the residents of London, England in 1717. Although Masonry - particularly in its earliest days - had some elements of secrecy, the first 'exposure' of the supposedly highly-secret Masonic ritual actually appeared in 1696! Since that time, there have been tens of thousands of books published about this 'secret organization'. And for over three hundred years, despite the good works done by its members, Freemasonry has continually suffered the slings and arrows of those who seek to use it's quiet nature against it.



Freemasonry's singular purpose is to make good men better and its bonds of friendship, compassion and brotherly love have survived even the most divisive political, military and religious conflicts through the centuries. Freemasonry is neither a forum nor a place of worship. It is not a religion nor does it teach a religious philosophy. For nearly three hundred years it has attracted men of high moral character who support the tenets of temperance, fortitude, prudence and justice.



We're often asked, "What do Freemasons believe?" The answer is quite simple: essentially the same things that teachers, bus drivers, Rotarians, or anyone else believes. There is no 'requirement' that all Masons believe certain things except insofar as good behavior dictates.



Today, the more than four million Freemasons around the world come from virtually every occupation and profession. Within the Fraternity, however, all meet as equals. In fact, one of the most fascinating aspects of Freemasonry (and an obvious source of irritation for those who thrive on the seeds of discontent, like Sally) has always been: how can so many men, from so many different walks of life, meet together in peace, ignoring political or religious debates, to conduct their affairs in harmony and friendship and to call each other "Brother!" It's truly a conundrum which perplexes those outside the fraternity. Laying aside petty jealousies and agreeing that issues of politics and religion are not proper for discussion within a lodge, the 'bones of contention' that so often divide are removed thereby making it possible for men of varying religious and political interests to meet on common ground.



Freemasons are taught to conform to the moral laws of society and to abide by the laws of the government under which they live. They are men of charity and good works and they engage in charitable works which have made them "the World's greatest philanthropy!" Their services to mankind represent an unparalleled example of the humanitarian commitment and concern of this unique and honorable Fraternity.
?
2012-04-17 18:19:11 UTC
I am a Freemason,



Our fraternity is open to any man,who believes in "God"



We use the term "Supreme being" because different religions have different names for "God",thus in our society no-one will feel left out.



I have met some Freemasons who are very religious,Christians,Jews and Muslims.

None of them have found anything in Freemasonry that will put them in conflict with their religious convictions.



It has always amazed me just how little people know about Freemasonry,yet claim the opposite.



As we say in my culture,a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
?
2012-04-17 16:32:07 UTC
That sounds an awful lot like the Xians that tell me I can't understand the bible, or their god unless I blindly follow their ritual of talking to their invisible sky daddy and agree to obey their Xian rules.
Nick
2012-04-17 16:32:06 UTC
Because you can't.



Why would you spend your time reading on this? Its useless.
anonymous
2012-04-17 16:29:43 UTC
Cool Story Bro'.


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