Question:
Is intelligent design reasonable?
anonymous
2015-04-21 15:00:37 UTC
Metaphysical concepts such as logic and mathematics are objectively true therefore they exist. Their objectively validity requires an objective basis in the universe otherwise they would not be objective and independently verifiable. We only experience and discover metaphysical concepts, they are not derived from our minds because they are true regardless of our subjective, conceptual experience of them. The existence of the metaphysical is reliant upon spacetime. Spacetime began to exist therefore the metaphysical began to exist and everything that begins to exist requires a cause. Concepts only come from minds. Evidence suggests that concepts cannot be created by insentient forces, only sentience is capable of conceptualizing. Therefore it is more reasonable to believe that the metaphysical - including the mathematical structure known as the universe - came from a creative intelligence.
Sixteen answers:
?
2015-04-21 15:33:30 UTC
Science tends to concern itself with idea's that are measurable and physically observable. As humans, we can sense the amazing order of everything. There are strange principles that are duplicated everywhere we look. For example, the branches of our nervous system, cardiovascular, system, tree branches, and even the flow of galaxies in the universe all follow the same rules. Such things as our eyes and reproductive systems are so amazing as to make a person wonder where all this order came from. Sperm are singled celled and have no brain yet move about with purpose. There is life everywhere. There is clearly a power in the universe that is always bringing things to order. Even when we measure these things mathematically, we find order in the mathematics. For example, we see things that grow exponentially in a very predictable manner that is not random.



The reality is that if we are not eternal, then mathematically, we do not exist. In an eternity, if you lived to be 100 years old, what would be the odds that you are alive today? What are the odds if you lived to be a trillion years old. Both are infinitely small or 0.
anonymous
2015-04-21 15:07:04 UTC
Reasonable? Yes. Necessarily true? No.



As a deist, I believe the best explanation for the organized complexity of the universe and her laws is an intelligent designer. I have yet to hear a better explanation, so I accept the best explanation I currently have and obviously think is it reasonable to do so. This, however, does not mean I am correct.
?
2015-04-21 15:22:44 UTC
Paul said: “His [God’s] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” (Romans 1:20) The Creator left his imprint on his handiwork, as Paul pointed out. Let us take a closer look at Paul’s words.



God’s qualities could be seen “from the world’s creation onward,” notes Paul. In this context the Greek word rendered “world” does not refer to the planet Earth. Rather, it refers to humankind. * Hence, Paul is saying that from the moment humans were created, they could see evidence of the Creator’s qualities in the things he made.



That evidence is all around us. It is not hidden in nature but is “clearly seen.” From the largest to the smallest, creation clearly reveals not only that there is a Creator but also that he has wonderful qualities. Does not the intelligent design so obvious in nature reveal to us God’s wisdom? Do not the starry heavens and the pounding surf reveal his power? Does not the variety of foods that delight our palate and the beauty of sunrises and sunsets reveal his love for mankind?—Psalm 104:24; Isaiah 40:26.
Simon T
2015-04-21 15:04:36 UTC
Bolllocks.



You are playing word games.





Intelligent design would be reasonable if there was any evidence to support it. But when you really look at the evidence that is out there, we see that there really is not anything that suggests that some intelligence designed any part of our universe.



And in that respect Bloody Stupid Design is a far better hypothesis than Intelligent Design.





Edit:

"Also, specified information and patterns that are statistically impossible to have arose from insentient sources by chance only come from minds. "



What the hell is "statistically impossible"?



Would you say that something with a probability of 1*10^166 is "statistically impossible"?







Shuffle and deal a pack of cards twice - - you just completed a task with a 1*10^166:1 probability. how did you do that if it was impossible.



Or do you just not understand probability and statistics?
ANDRE L
2015-04-21 15:13:37 UTC
The evidence presented during the Kitzmiller trial proved that 'Intelligent Design' is nothing more than a deliberate FRAUD, created to try to avoid the SCOTUS decision banning the promotion of creationism in public schools that came from the Edwards V Aguillard case.



ID is as honest as check fraud is.
Ricardo
2015-04-21 15:22:00 UTC
Nope.



- Metaphysical concepts such as logic and mathematics are objectively true therefore they exist.



You can measure the side of a triangle and discover that it is 180 degrees. that is not mystical, except to most fundies and US students.



- We only experience and discover metaphysical concepts



That is the way fundies discover the basics of math and other bits of intelligence, the rest of us study.



- they are not derived from our minds



Obviously not from fundie minds.



- The existence of the metaphysical is reliant upon spacetime



No, a triangle is 180 degrees regardless of sapce or time.
The Mighty Keyboard Warrior
2015-04-21 15:03:27 UTC
Logic and mathematics are not metaphysical. They are consistent patterns in reality which we have come up with explanations and concepts for.



You're making a simple error. You're conflating the concepts we humans have created to explain our universe with the universe itself. Therefore you are assuming logical and mathematical truth precede being. But this is wrong, logical and mathematical truths are ways creative minds make sense of being which, while contingent, has observable consistency.



We find ourselves already in the world, a product of it, and we must make sense of it. That's what humans do. Science and philosophy are ways humans make sense of a contingent existence they already find themselves in. That things existed before we could put names to them doesn't prove God's existence so much as our own fallibility and temporality.
Annsan_In_Him
2015-04-23 06:49:03 UTC
I wonder if there's a need to differentiate between Intelligent Design (as a theory of origins put forward by some people in recent years) and design requiring intelligence? Even those who deny ID have to admit that wherever we see human constructs (be they mathematical or material) we all know they were intelligently designed by some human or other.



There are serious problems with ID, as noted by this scientist below, a Christian who questions some aspects of ID himself. He says: "Although the proponents of ID have made valuable contributions to this whole debate, there are a number of problems with ID as a theory of origins. Firstly, it embroils people in a pointless debate over whether or not ID is 'science'. My own view is that ID is an inference drawn from science rather than part of science itself. It is not alone in this respect. There is a vast amount of speculation concerning the nature of reality that, because it is promoted by scientists, is thought to BE science when it is nothing of the kind. One glaring example is the 'multiverse' concept often advanced to 'solve' the riddle of quantum mechanics or to account for the anthropic principle (the fact that our universe is ideally suited for intelligent life). There is not the slightest scientific evidence - or any other kind of evidence if you rule out UFOs - to support the multiverse concept. It can never be more than an inference from scientific data. It might or might not be true, but that is something we shall never know

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"Science leads us to its boundaries where it introduces us to philosophy. For example, it tells us that the laws of nature exist, what those laws are, and what they accomplish. But it can never tell us why they are as they are - for that we need God, turtles or the multiverse (take your pick). ID as an inference from science is just as legitimate as the multiverse and, in my view, much more so. Of course, you are free to define science in such a way as to include its philosophical implications, but if you do you cannot be selective - you must admit ID alongside the multiverse and any other theory that can be neither proven nor falsified by scientific data. Or else you must exclude ALL such theories from your definition of science.



"A second problem with ID is that it lacks any philosophical bedrock, such as the hypothesis of God - the foundation I am striving to establish in this book. Thus ID can be accused of adopting a God-of-the-gaps mentality because it concentrates on the intractability of complex biological systems while leaving the rest of the universe to naturalism. This narrow focus leaves it vulnerable to such accusations and means that it is just as compatible with life from Mars or little green men as with divine creation. I find this rather unsatisfactory."



He then goes on to point out that his 'hypothesis of God' (in his book, below) does not suffer from these objections. It sees intelligent design [without capitals] in everything, from bacteria to battleships, allowing God the freedom to work through law, providence, miracle and the mind of man. Also, it's not an inference from science but rather provides the foundation of science - the law-abiding nature of the universe - but does so without imprisoning God by the laws He has Himself created.



Now, I hope you appreciate this author - and myself - are not ID supporters, yet without saying there is no intelligent design at work in our universe! There is! By the bucketload! We credit an uncreated God with that. However, that does not require us to support ID as the system presented by others. AiH
?
2015-04-21 15:04:49 UTC
What if consciousness began from energy as matter did , grew with life , only the human evolved consciousness can consciously connect to soul the evolutional energy most call God to rebalance as animals do naturally .



search for goodness and string theory
Niko
2015-04-21 15:19:46 UTC
Not a chance. It's only reasonable to the simpletons that believe in it.
?
2015-04-21 15:27:08 UTC
Its not only reasonable, its the only logical/plausible answer. Nature, time and chance are not deterministic and are not causal agents.
Averell A
2015-04-21 15:12:24 UTC
When there is intelligibility, there is intelligence behind it.
?
2015-04-21 15:03:29 UTC
Not at all.
anonymous
2015-04-21 15:03:23 UTC
Intelligent design is beyond reasonable, it's the obvious truth, but some people still want to believe that evolution happened even though it's mathematically impossible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbq1TqJyExM
?
2015-04-21 16:19:04 UTC
No.
anonymous
2015-04-21 15:01:37 UTC
Fully so


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