Question:
if one believes that homosexuality is a sin,doesnt he also believe that one can lose his salvation by sinning.
JOHN R
2008-03-08 13:44:52 UTC
in my discussions with other believers i have found this in ordinate connection that those who believe homosexuality is a sin also believe that you can lose your salvation by sinning or repetitive sinning or failure to repent.

this is in spite of the fact that paul says our righteousness is apart from the law and that we did not receive it by not sinning(folllowing the law). and that by doing any works to hold onto it is in essence is attempting to pay for it.

ephesians says we receive it by grace thru faith.

and romans says grace is receiving and having something we did not earn and we did not pay for.

is their any other reason not to sin except for loving christ.

1 cor 13 says that anything done without love GAINS NOTHING.

if love of christ is necessary to hold onto our salvation, then we have resurrected a form of payment to hold onto it or a way to earn it. then it is about what we do and not what he did on the cross.

revelation 22 says it is a free gift.
Four answers:
Omega Particle
2008-03-14 06:32:06 UTC
Can a Believer "Lose" His Salvation?



Or Stated More Accurately, Can He Forfeit It?



"Has God indeed said...Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."? (Luke 8:13)



the scripture clearly teaches BOTH the sovereignty of God AND the free will of men. To deny this is irrational, and must be caused by something other than reason based on scriptural precepts.



The scriptural position is that a person who is saved can forfeit that salvation. The bible teaches those at highest risk of forfeiting their salvation are those who are newly saved, and those who continue on in known disobedience, after being born again.



The elect are those whom God chose, whom God foresaw would both trust in His Son AND who would endure or persevere in the faith given them until the end of their physical life, or the return of Jesus.



Those whose hearts are seeking the Lord with all that is in them, should have no concern about "losing" their salvation. Nor should they have any concern about forfeiting their salvation.



Salvation cannot be lost, but it can be forfeited - this is the nature of covenants in the bible. The bible no where guarantee's someone that salvation once received cannot be turned away from or forfeited by the individual that possesses it.



Receiving salvation involves man's will, and not works. Forfeiting salvation involves man's will, and not works. In the same way the Lord did not force His salvation on anyone, He neither forces anyone to remain in the covenant.



http://www.jesusfamilies.org/Articles/ForfeitSalvation.htm
T I
2008-03-08 23:03:03 UTC
"Salvation belongs to the LORD." Psalm 3:8, 62:1-2.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:9-10.



"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us" Romans 5:all of it.

"every transgression and disobedience receved a just reward," Hebrews 2:2 "how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation," 2:3. Shutting one's ears to God's commands, there by committing a sin of omission. are serious, and require just judgment.



"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may aboutd? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Romans 6:1-3.

"who are kept by the power of God throurgh faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time" 1Pet 1:5.



"wheither of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" Romans 6:16



"Therefore you shall love the LORD your God, and keep His charge, His statues, His judgments, and His commandments always." Deuteronomy 11:1



"But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will not be abolished." Isaiah 51:6

Hope these verses help you in your journey.
LilLaTLuv
2008-03-08 22:00:21 UTC
Hey!



Revelation 22:12 reads: "‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is.'"



Revelation 22:17 reads: "And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free."



But you have to come. And you can't leave.



James 2:24-46 reads: "YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. In the same manner was not also Ra′hab the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."



IF you do not prove you have faith with your actions, what worth is it? It's dead to God. James chapter 2 says so. So, no, you do not get salvation like a get out of jail free card. It comes with faith, and the faith has to last. It will show in what you do, and how you act.



Now, people are imperfect, and they sin. But the Bible clearly shows that this is UNACCEPTABLE but forgivable. IF you show genuine regret.



Isaiah 55:7 says: "Let the wicked man leave his way, and the harmful man his thoughts; and let him return to YHWH, who will have mercy upon him, and to our God, for he will forgive in a large way."



This means you must STOP SINNING and return to God for him to forgive you. If you continue to sin, then you are not with God. If you are not with God, you do not receive the life giving water.



And voila! You have the problem with what you say.



NOW, after all that has been said, I am NOT anti-gay. I am not pro-gay, either. It is not my place to judge others, which is in several scriptures. What homosexuals do is between them and God. I have nothing to do with it.



Hope that helps! Have a nice day!



Luv ya,

Tashi :)
►Coconut Butter◄
2008-03-08 21:51:50 UTC
its just plain gross and wrong. i think the same about swearing and stealing.

the bible does clearly say that you should repent.



Romans 6:15-16

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?


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