Christians, see anything wrong with this mindset?

Question

Kurt Wise, who has a PHD in geology from Harvard also happens to be a young earth creationist.

He also once said "if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate."

So do you see anything wrong with this or is a good example of how Christians should think?

Answer 1

If Christians really think like this I would not call it thinking at all.

Answer 2

It's difficult to answer since it's obviously a part of a bigger context. But, I think what he is saying that even if science shows beyond doubt that a "new earth" belief is not true, he still believes God created all. The two can be distinct as many Christians are what we call "old earth creationists".

NOTE TO SCHLITZY (and others): You first have to be accepted into Harvard, something only about 12% of high school seniors applying to college can do. You then have to actually pass your classes and complete work in a field of study for your degree, masters, and finally your Phd. Which by the way, is in geology. Ergo, his opinion weighs far more than your typical smart aleck atheist on Y/A!

Answer 3

Keep in mind that science is the whipping boy of politics. It was once politically not good to challenge the notion that the earth was flat. There was a consensus that it was flat, so it was flat. No matter where the consensus is at the moment, we do have to be true to our beliefs. If the truth is ever considered illegal, outdated, or stupid, do we not still have to think for ourselves? Or should we always go with what is legal and popular?



With that being said, Christianity is flexible in areas of science because the Bible was not written in that context. We can always reinterpret and rethink the SCriptures in light of current events. The church had to do that with the Old Testament after Christ understanding the Scriptures in a completely different light.



There however is no flexibility with the atheist. No God, has to be some kind of naturalistic process. If its proven wrong, there is nothing else for the atheist to bridge the gap with.

Answer 4

What he's saying is that even if all evidence in the entire world completely disproved the creation theory he would say "I know all the evidence points against the creation theory, but I still believe in creation because I believe in the word of God."



I think his faith is outstanding, even someone with his recognized intellect knows how earth-shattering a statement that is. It's a great example for not only fellow believers but to everyone else who will try to disprove god!



People who disprove god, look at a man like kurt wise and ask yourself "even though I disagree with his beliefs, can I still respect how trusting he is to something that I think is false?"

Answer 5

He does seem a bit misunderstanding what God's Word says.... and doesn't say..... it says God did it... it Does NOT say how or when.... and there is no reason to take the "day" reference as literal... as the sun ws not in place right at the first part any way... so what was the earth orbiting?....



I am of The True Christian Faith... and I know that if God wanted to create the earth with all the geological stuff just as we find it today... he could..... I just see no reason for him to do that.... he had... and has... ALL of eternity to work with.... what is a few hundred million years to Him... or 30 billion for that matter.... for me... ignorant as I am of the earth sciences... there is enough evidence to say God took some time to get it done... and he has not revealed how much.... leaving us to figure it out from the evidence he left for us.

Answer 6

I suspect that you are looking for us to point out the hypocrisy of that statement, however I do not see it as contradictory. I think that many of us scratch our heads regarding the creation of matter and all that is our universe in six days. It seems unfathomable that it could have happened that quickly. At the same time however, I do not understand how evolutionists can explain the big bang without a "prime mover" or something to cause it. I can't explain the fossil record, the Grand Canyon, or many other geologic records. I do know that the Holy Spirit is alive in me. That He was sent by God the Father upon my acceptance of God the Son. I have lived both ways and know the difference.



Trusting in the word of God is what Dr. Wise is saying here. I think that is a fine example for Christians. God gave us minds to challenge everything and those of you that are agnostic, please challenge us, but also pray SINCERELY that God reveals himself to you. Do that every day for a month. You will change your tune. He will be revealed to you. As ironic as it seems, God reveals himself to believers, not non believers.

Answer 7

well, I don't know if he did say that, but if he did, I would think him possibly naive a little. But it also depends on the science behind the evidence against creationism. Carbon dating is not an exact science, and there have been cases of fossilized objects from the early 19th century (such as wagonwheels, etc) that were carbon dated to be thousands of years old. Mans science is ever changing and new methods outdate old methods that were thought to be fail-safe and accurate. if all man has is an hour glass to measure time with, then how does that compare to measurements by digital watches and by measuring lights wavelengths in a vaccum? Or if all man has is his ears to hear, and then along comes technology to detect sound waves outside of mans hearing? Just because man couldn't hear the calls of elephants thousands of years ago, doesn't mean that now since we can detect them, all of a sudden elephants started talking. What i am saying is that man,just a couple of hundred of years ago would say that elephants only talked by trumpeting. This would be scientific fact, because their only means of measuring sound was the human ear. Now, man knows that elephants talk at sub human levels at ultra low wavelengths, and that todays man would look like an idiot to the man 200 years ago. He would insist that there is no other sound than the trumpeting of the elephant. Open your mind.

Answer 8

No, his PhD is Paleontology, and Stephen Jay Gould spoke more highly of him than he did of you.



Your quote is dishonest as can be. Wise has spent his life showing that the evidence is for creationism. You want people to infer that he thinks that the evidence doesn't. It doesn't say that, and he doesn't say that. I don't have absolute proof that you are lying on purpose but it sure looks it.



Fair-minded readers now have 1200 pages (to which Wise contributed) to show that Wise NEVER EVER said that he thought the evidence spoke the other way.



Earth's Catastrophic Past

Geology, Creation & the Flood

by Andrew Snelling

Format: 2 Hardcovers

Dimensions: 6 x 9 in.

Pages: 1128



You have made me very mad by your snakey ways.

Answer 9

Kurt Wise mindset is faith. He is saying that even if all the evidence scientists pick out of a created universe is against the belief of creationism, He would still be a Christian.

Answer 10

"We understand the through faith the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen, were not made of things which do appear" KJV

Hebrews 11: 1

"We understand that by faith that the entire universe was formed at the command (by the WORD) of God, and that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen" New living translation



God does not speak to our reasoning, but He does speak faith filled Words. You may have a corn seed, but its in your pocket. Your neighbor may have had a barn filled with sacks of corn seed , but he has planted several acres and the ears of the corn can now to be seen. But you may not have know what the corn seed you have in your pocket looked like after it was planted, but the farmer did.



But it is everything that is seen which God has made, and not man.

Are you trying to disclaim God handy work?



sincerely the truth edwah z j

Answer 11

I am a liberal Christian and I see something wrong with this statement. You should be a believer because its what you feel in your heart not because its what you are told to believe. You can still believe in Christianity and not believe in creationism. Maybe I'm wrong, but we're all entitled to our own opinion.

Answer 12

Reminds me of the three men in the book of daniel in the Bible. in the face of king Nebuchadnezzar when asked to renounce God and worship Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel 3v16 "Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O King. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O King, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up. The prof is showing faith in what he has believed in.

Answer 13

I believe God did what He said He did, I have posted that a couple hundred times on here.





Does it make you a 'good' Christian or not? I don't know. It does show a great faith in God and His word though.

Answer 14

I don't give a dam* that Kurt Wise has a PHD, nor that he went to Harvard.

All that means is he can repeat what others have told him.

If he says creationism is it no matter what, he is not scientific, nor scriptural.

He demonstrates blind faith. Booooooo

Answer 15

I see a man who chooses the word of God over the word of man. I see no problem.

Answer 16

Cleanliness is next to Godliness

Answer 17

More like Kurt unwise. I don't care where he could afford to go to college.

Answer 18

Uh yeah, that would be a case of cognitive dissonance.



I don't agree with him.

Answer 19

...that's basically saying "I refuse to believe that birds can fly, even though I've seen it, just because it said it in a random book"

Answer 20

I look to Jesus Christ for truth not fallen man.

Answer 21

That dude is the quintessential oxy'moron'.

Answer 22

I've no problem with it.