Question:
The Bible does not support the trinity. The heresy of the trinity contradicts many important scriptures................?
2017-11-08 01:11:20 UTC
"Some" Christians believe in the blasphemous, trinity heresy. How can these Christians best be reformed?
Nineteen answers:
Alf
2017-11-08 23:33:23 UTC
Why doesn't it support the trinity? The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost. What about the one who says I am the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, Would the Lord God be the God of the dead or would that be the Burning Bush? Do you even know what I mean?
Terry
2017-11-08 05:47:17 UTC
You ask, How can these Christians best be reformed?



Easy, just show them what the Bible really says.



The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.



The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.





For many thousands of years Gods own people did not worship a Trinity, in fact they taught the following,.....”hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah:” Deuteronomy 6:4 NAV



The Jews were very different from the surrounding nations who DID worship a triad of Gods, such as the Babylonians and the Egyptians who were well know for it, however Gods people were different as they were monotheistic and were not influenced by the pagans triad worshipping. This is one of the reason why Israel were warned about affiliating with the surrounding nations, so that they did not end up worshipping their false Gods!



Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD!



The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father!



Unfortunately the Christian congregation by the forth century had given in to the surrounding nations triad form of worship, this was the great Apostasy that Paul had foretold would set in after he was gone, and the Trinity doctrine was then born there in Constantinople in the 4th century. This was contrary to what the first century Christians taught !

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BJ
2017-11-08 05:12:04 UTC
Well, the Catholic church established the Trinity, but why do they teach it, and the other religions accepted their teaching, one way is to read what their encyclopedias say. The other way would be to have a really good Bible study using the Bible.



The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament.



The Blessed Trinity says: The dogma of the Blessed Trinity is a mystery It cannot be proved by reason . It cannot even be proved to be possible.



The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention.



In a sense, this is true.The formulation one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. New Catholic Encyclopedia
hillbilly
2017-11-08 01:36:54 UTC
There is the Father God, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. This counts to 3, so it is called a Trinity.
2017-11-08 01:30:26 UTC
◄ Acts 7:55 ►

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But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
d
2017-11-08 01:17:41 UTC
you can make the bible say anything you want
2017-11-08 01:14:47 UTC
Jew troll alert
2017-11-08 01:13:59 UTC
Facts don't matter to Christians. If they did, there would be no Christians left.
2017-11-08 01:13:35 UTC
Christians have never been ones to let facts get in the way of a good story.
Jessica
2017-11-08 01:12:24 UTC
I know, but Christians are commissioned by Christ to preach. Perhaps people can be reached that way. I am being sincere here, of course. I'm sorry if I offended you. Christians take Matthew 24:14 and 28:1`9,20 very seriously.
Jimbo
2017-11-08 16:04:52 UTC
Ok, if you say so. Now........should I worry about your theological position on that? If I should, then maybe you should declare yourself as God because you are evidently more theologically educated than thousands of theologians that came along way before you did.
I care
2017-11-08 06:49:26 UTC
All three Persons of the Trinity created.



God the Father created.........Gen. 1:1

God the Son created...........John 1:1-3 and Col. 1:16

God the Holy Spirit created..........Gen. 1:2
Mayflower
2017-11-08 03:35:16 UTC
Early Trinitarian Quotes

by Matt Slick



There are cult groups (Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, Christadelphians, etc.) who deny the Trinity and state that the doctrine was not mentioned until the 4th Century until after the time of the Council of Nicea (325). This council "was called by Emperor Constantine to deal with the error of Arianism [see page 45] which was threatening the unity of the Christian Church."



The following quotes show that the doctrine of the Trinity was indeed alive-and-well before the Council of Nicea:



Polycarp (70-155/160). Bishop of Smyrna. Disciple of John the Apostle.



"O Lord God almighty . . . I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Jesus Christ, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and the Holy Spirit, both now and forever" (n. 14, ed. Funk; PG 5.1040).



Justin Martyr (100?-165?). He was a Christian apologist and martyr.



"For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water" (First Apol., LXI).



Ignatius of Antioch (died 98/117). Bishop of Antioch. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.



"In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever" (n. 7; PG 5.988).

"We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.' Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7.)



Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.



"The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . '" (Against Heresies X.l)



Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.



"We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).



Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity.



"If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father" (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132).



"For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit." (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4)



"Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . " (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7).



Conclusion

If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.



Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not "officially" taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is that Christianity was illegal until shortly before the council. It wasn't really possible for official Christian groups to meet and discuss doctrine. For the most part, they were fearful of making public pronouncements concerning their faith.



Additionally, if a group had attacked the person of Adam, the early church would have responded with an official doctrine of who Adam was. As it was, the person of Christ was attacked. When the Church defended the deity of Christ, the doctrine of the Trinity was further defined.



The early church believed in the Trinity as is evidenced by the quotes above, and it wasn't necessary to really make them official. It wasn't until errors started to creep in that councils began to meet to discuss the Trinity as well as other doctrines that came under fire.
?
2017-11-08 02:36:27 UTC
I know of no Scripture that (logically) contradicts the doctrine of trinity

- and I've looked

Nor has anyone ever presented to me a logical argument demonstrating that some particular Scripture contradicts the doctrine of trinity (which is the way it would have to be done).
Rod
2017-11-08 01:52:17 UTC
The bible supports the Godhead because it's mentioned three times in scripture (Acts 17:29, Rom 1:20 & Col 2:9)



Ever wondered what the Godhead is ?



What is God head of -- himself or a unity of persons maybe ?



(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness --- Could this be God speaking inside the Godhead of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost ?



(Isa 48:16) Come ye near unto ME, hear ye this, I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there AM I: and now the LORD GOD, and HIS SPIRIT hath sent ME.



We have God speaking of three persons in this verse -- Am I, Lord God and his spirit. Yet it is the AM I who says the Lord God and his spirit has sent him to Israel.



Could this be the Godhead of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost in this scripture?



(Matt 28:19) ..baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.



Could this singular name be:



1. God the Father.

2. God the Son.

3. God the Holy Ghost.



Of the triune Godhead?
travelingwithwife
2017-11-08 01:24:21 UTC
1 John 5:7--- For there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. MKJV
?
2017-11-08 01:17:13 UTC
Here are a number of verses in the bible that speak of the Triune nature of God.



https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_trinity
Beryllium
2017-11-08 01:16:05 UTC
The Torah does not support the bible. The heresy of the bible contradicts many important scriptures................?
Gomakawitnessofjesus
2017-11-08 01:15:11 UTC
The doctrine of the Trinity actually predates the bible , there was debate with Anathasia also


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