Question:
How does / can Islam justify stoning women to death for adultry under mainstream Shariah law?
2006-10-11 04:51:49 UTC
For the record; I am an athiest with an interest in religion and I have read the Qu'ran several times. Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Hadd" offenses such as pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Hadd sexual offenses carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging. Chapter 24 of the Qur'an, explicitly instructs believers to whip those found guilty of adultery. It's not contemporary or even based on real world science, EXAMPLE; under an obscure tenet of Islamic law an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly thus it is believed that an interval of up to 7 years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim the father of the fetus is her former husband. Is that the acceptable face of Islam?
Nineteen answers:
lordofthetarot
2006-10-11 07:03:17 UTC
Jesus said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!'

I feel this statement crosses ALL religious divides.

PS

It is not surprising to find so many 'knowledgeable' responses to this question. No matter what these people have to say, killing is wrong.

It seems to form the core of islamic thought!

I'm surprised to learn so many of these people have such a strong and intimate knowledge of the mind of God.
?
2014-05-10 22:04:16 UTC
Don't.

Leave her to Allah

Let Allah judge her, not you. Stay patient and you could always advice her, remind her of Allah.

I think it is best to help her, not hurt her!

Allah knows best!



These nonMuslims don't even know Islam, they have wrong information and think in Islam women are weaker than men which is false. its a bad idea about Islam made by those who hate Islam and some Muslims who had mixed their old bad cultures with Islam orders. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men."

in İslam which one is the closest to God ,is stronger, man or woman



So in İslam everybody equal ... free your mind,Research İslam , read (Quran) and decide yourself :)
hints_dont_work
2006-10-11 05:09:51 UTC
You study religion yet cannot tell the difference between a religious law set by Islam and a law set by a country, I think the 7 year rule applies in Iran.



Just to correct you a women has 3 months not 7 years in order to see if she has been impregnated by the husband be it divorce, death, etc.



As for the stoning maybe you should research that further too, if someone is accused of adultery the person who accuses this person must provide 4 reliable witnesses who actually witnessed the act not the accused holding hands, them actually being inthe process of intercourse, and most people will probably agree with me that this is quite hard do.



In addition to this not only does the woman get punished the man would too.



Another way for the accused to get capital punishment would be for them to confess to the act, however you must take into mind that the Almighty is merciful so repentance is usually the option advised by the judge him/herself to the confessor, there have been cases of them asking up to 3 times.



So I don't think that the law is harsh considering:

1 - it usully deters people from actually causing the crime and,

2 - it usually is not carried out as people advise repentance most of the time.



Only one case of the sentence was actually carried out during the prophet's lifetime and this was only because the couple had continuously asked for capital punishment.



So maybe "research" a bit more and become a bit more open-minded considering the time that this was revealed.
Abu J
2006-10-11 06:27:04 UTC
The punishment is not just prescribed for women, but also men.

Like all other punishment in Islam, and in all other religions and in secular democratic law (religion itself), the punishment is to deter and prevent people from committing these acts and to be an example for people who may reflect on committing these acts. Also, deceases do not become wide spread, abortion -killing of lives does not take place and babies without fathers and even without mothers in some cases do not occur. Stoning the adulteror (one who is already married) and flogging/whipping the fornicator (one who is not married but has sex outside marriage) has been prescribed by the Creator, the Law-Giver, the Legislator. All major religion had/has this (Christianity/Jewdism). It is from the All-Wise from His Wisdom. Those countries that apply it, they see the benefit.



EXAMPLE; under an obscure tenet of Islamic law an embryo can 'sleep' for years before swelling a woman's belly thus it is believed that an interval of up to 7 years can pass between conception and birth. This means that a woman who is pregnant and has been divorced for fewer than seven years can theoretically claim the father of the fetus is her former husband. Is that the acceptable face of Islam? THIS HAS NO BASIS IN THE RELIGION OF ISLAM, WHERE DID YOU GET THIS FROM? WHERE IS THE REFERENCE. PEOPLE CAN SAY ANYTHING, BUT BRING THE PROOF. WHEN A WOMAN MENSTRUATES THIS IS THE SIGN THAT SHE WILL NOT OR IS NOT PREGNANT FROM THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP. THAT IS WHY WHEN A MUSLIM MAN DIVORCES HIS WIFE, HE/SHE HAVE TO WAIT 40 DAYS UNTIL AFTER MENSTRUATION.
mutmainnah
2006-10-11 05:36:54 UTC
Good to know that you have read the Qur'an. Yes, chapter 24 does delineate such laws. The important thing to note however is that:



The punishment for pre-marital sex is 100 lashes whereas the punishment for fornication after marraige is stoning to death, BUT there was a very important pre-requisite before that can be done. There should be four (4) witnesses before the punishment for stoning to death can be implemented.



Now consider this, if a man and a woman commited fornication with each others consent then its almost impossible to produce four witnesses.



Where would four witnesses help then? Obviously in case of a rape. So, the punishment of stoning to death essentially applies to a rapist when four witnesses have testified. Don't you think this is the right punishment to thwart or put an end to rapes, considering that it has become a big and annoying problem, especially in western countries. If there is such a punishment, do you think the rate of rapes would increase or decrease?



The divorce is of three kinds. Most laudable, where the husband repudiates his wife by making one pronouncement within the term of Tahr (purity, when the woman is not passing through the period of menses). Second type is laudable, where the husband repudiates his wife by pronouncing three sentence in three Tuhrs (plural for Tahr). Third is when a husband repudiates his wife by three sentences at once. Though the third type of divorce hold for good but it is not considered good (hasty decision, chances of regretting later) and the husband is considered to be an offender.



After the husband pronounces the divorce, there is a period called 'Idda. In this period, the woman should stay at her husband's house, and the husband has been commanded to provide for her. The period of 'Idda lasts three months and serves two purposes. First, a chance of reconciliation between the two, and second, to ensure that the woman doesn't get pregnant. After the Idda, a woman can marry again (ofcourse not the husband who divorced her).



Here is what the Qur'an says:



"Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise. " (Chapter 2, Verse 228)



I hope its clarified now.
daliaadel
2006-10-11 05:00:01 UTC
Thanks for your question. Just to add, the adultry hadd is for both men and women.

To be honest with you, I am not sure I understand the part concerning the embryo and the 7 years nor heard of it. But Islam is not some cut in stone rules mentioned in Quran that has nothing to do with modern science.



For example, in a recent case in my country between a couple when the woman claimed the man to be the father and he denied (she says it was Orfi marriage and he says an affair), DNA was used to determine that the man is the father and it was proved they were married and there is now a divorce case.



Had they been proven not married and it was an affair (adultry), unforunately Sharia Hadd (which ranges from keeping them inside their homes till they repent or die - stoning) was not to take lace becaue my country, unfortunately, has civil law that is partially taken from sharia and elsewhere.



Does this make any sense?
2006-10-11 05:03:36 UTC
I think you are obsessed with this matter, so much that you are ignoring the contradictions inherent in other religions. I suppose that you are also racist or bigotted, and are desperately seeking some way to attack Islam, Arabs, Persians, and others who follow or study Islalm.



Many religions have divides between scripture, theory, and practice. Islam isn't the only one. In a world where Moslem can kill Moslem, using heresy or anything else as an excuse, where Protestant people throw rocks and bottles at children going to school in Portadown or Ulster, this should be obvious.
ajmal
2006-10-11 05:15:03 UTC
Which society has the highest rape figures, teenage pregnancy, single mothers, and homeless? The concept of family is diminishing y? These are exactly the kind of things that Islamic rules would help avoid. Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?



Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women



Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.



USA has one of the highest rates of rape



United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.



Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?



Your answer is plain and simple if you just do a little research.



I challenge u to compere Americas crime rates with Saudi Arabia(Runs under Sharia Law) and tell me who has the highest figures.



Be A little realistic OK.
2006-10-11 04:59:18 UTC
1st this punishment is for men and woman, not only women as people claim. for married couples who condemn sex with a partner than their husband or wife.



2nd no one would like the punishment of stoning to death, but it's not up to Muhammad to decide yes or no. it's whatever God command shall be. there is a story of which a woman want to repent her adultery to Muhammad, and Muhammad was trying to push her away, but after she clearly admit it, then Muhammad had no choice than to obey God command.



3rd. there is very hard restriction on this. it's very hard to get caught. there must be 4 trusted witness who have witness the sex. which is very hard. 1, 2 or 3 are not enough. There MUST BE 4 Trusted Witnesses, plus the woman or the man has to confess their adultery. and if anyone said false thing about a believer woman he gets 80 slashes as a punishment. stoning to death is not an easy thing to do, it's very difficult to get caught.
william c
2006-10-11 11:27:45 UTC
They cant, they would need 4 seperate male witnesses to testify against her, in practise this in not usually feasable.



Keep reading the Koran and the read the bible you will see the difference and maybe you wont be an aithiest

God Bless you
2016-10-19 08:53:43 UTC
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roddur
2006-10-11 05:03:33 UTC
stoning people to death may sound barbaric but i guess it keeps men and women fromcommitting sins and offenses that comes under "Hadd"...and may be thats why Dubai (UAE) is such a Crime free place to stay in.....no sexual predetors..no eve teasing...and no crime...life is so peaceful here..am hindu and i feel safer here than in my own country india...



i feel religion and strict laws help keep society clean...and only it can constraint a man from turning into something inhuman.
Kimo
2006-10-11 04:58:48 UTC
As for the Hdod .. it's actually ease of the laws of Torah .. for example in Torah any adulterer or adulteress should be stoned to death .. but in Islam they are slashed 100 times UNLESS they are married then they are stoned ..IN ADDITION .. you have to bring 4 trusted witnesses ,, if you read the hadiths concerning stoning , you would find the prophet (sas) was not happy at all when he the "had" was about to be applied .. but he was just following the orders of GOD



As for the last point of your question .. there is no hadith or Qura'nic verse that says 7 years but 3 months .. you were confused with anothet thing

[2:228] Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. nor is it lawful for them to hide what God hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in God and the last day. and their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. and women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have degree (of advantage) over them. and God is exalted in power wise.
Avondrow
2006-10-11 04:59:11 UTC
It depends how you define justify. Morally, I do not think it can be justified, but alas, there is a theocratic mindset that only needs to know, or believe that 'it is written' to consider something justified.

I await the answers to this one with interest!
2006-10-11 05:04:48 UTC
sorry mate but there are just too many contradictory statements in this question of yours that have no basis in Islam.



Stoning to death is a punishment meted out to both men and women.



How does Islam justify it? This is God's law. It makes complete sense to us.
?
2006-10-11 04:58:30 UTC
Why try to make sense of Islam? According to Islam sperm is made in a mans stomach. Not that I favor one religion over another I am an atheist as well, and think they are all ridiculous. Stoning women to death is justified by the twisted distortions of their clerics, just like how Fred Phelps justifies his disgusting behavior. Evil in the name of God, Allah, etc is not evil as far as religious zealots are concerned.
۞Aum۞
2006-10-11 04:58:28 UTC
I too wish to know... hope they give logical answer not counter attacks etc
2006-10-11 04:59:14 UTC
if they can bed 6 yrs old woman, wat's new?
mythkiller-zuba
2006-10-11 18:00:11 UTC
When Muslims say that Rasulullah (pbuh) authorized that the adulteress be stoned to death, contrary to what the Quran (The Final Revelation) teaches, then these Muslims are setting up prophet Muhammad as a Rival to Allah and as a false God. It may well be for this reason that Muslims were called Mohammedans since Christians are so called because they preach the Gospel and the Epistles of Jesus Christ instead of the Injeel.



Many Muslim scholars support the stoning to death for adultery as legislation of the prophet Muhammad outside of the Quran and contrary to Quran, and they claim to find justification for this in Hadith.



Adultery in Islam requires four witnesses, but in the absence of these witnesses both parties are allowed to swear by Allah etc. etc. Allah commands that adultery can lead to greater sin.



It is the greatest of sins to give partners to Allah as much as it is to judge by other than the Quran.



Let those who trust put their trust in Allah. Never said I what I had no authority to say.



No man alive today or those who lived during the days of the Revelation of the Quran and up until today, had or has the authority to override Quran, and Muslims who do so or who condone such behaviour are guilty of Shirk.



IN THE NAME OF ALLAH MOST GRACIOUS MOST MERCIFUL

" "Say! It is not for me of my own accord to change it. I follow naught but what is revealed unto me. If I were to disobey my Lord I fear the penalty of a Great Day. Say! If Allah had so willed I should not have rehearsed it to you, nor would He have made it known to you." Quran 10: 15-16



It has taken mankind more than 1400 years, with 20th. Century technology and University scientists and research resources, to begin to unravel the simple scientific information contained in the Quran about:

" Human Embryonic Development,

" Mountains,

" The Origins of the Universe,

" The Cerebrum,

" Seas and Rivers,

" Deep Seas and Internal Waves, and

" Clouds.



The prophet (pbuh) was quite illiterate, but had he been the most educated man in the World, he would still have been unable to understand the meaning of probably more than half of the knowledge contained in the Quran.



It is no small wonder then that there isn't one single Hadith that reports the prophet's scientific explanation of any one of the above topics.



None of those who reported having heard the prophet say, so and so and so, were able to elaborate on anything scientific. The prophet lacked the knowledge and the authority and they lacked the knowledge, and no one was able to understand the scientific information contained in the Revelation that is the Quran, not even the enemies of the Messenger, hence the lack of such Hadith being documented, since none could have invented such sayings. Such information would surely have silenced the critics and enhanced the credibility of the prophet and his companions, but Allah is the Exalted in Power, the Wise.



None of the prophets had the authority to explain the Message, and they had no reason to, since they spoke the same language of their respective people to whom they were sent. They all simply brought the Message and lived the example of the Message: Worship none but Allah.



Muhammad (pbuh) spoke to his companions with this Message from Allah, and the Message, the Quran therefore commands obedience to Allah and the Messenger, not that the Messenger should be obeyed separately, or that he was allowed to legislate on his own, but that the obedience must be to the Message and therefore to Allah and His Messenger. In the absence of the Messenger, the obedience is to Allah and the Quran, for which the Messenger is remembered, but the Messenger is dead and absent and therefore no longer speaks to his people or to those who accept Islam and the Quran.



To make the prophet present in speech as if he never died is to immortalise the man in a racist form of worship. To speak of obeying the Messenger, who died close to 1400 years ago, through hearsay reports that had no Divine authority, some of which override Quran, is again nothing short of Shirk and blasphemy



Muslim scholars speak about the chronological significance of certain verses of the Quran and their relation to certain events, yet they refuse to address the chronological significance of the life of the prophet, and they choose to refer to him as an immortal and still present with the Quran, in order to justify Hadith that compete with or override Quran, and in order to satisfy the lust for power by kings and emirs and scholars and others as the phantom vicegerents of Allah, when Allah is Omnipresent, needs no partners and never had need of partners or of man.



1400 years on and the Muslims are still unable or unwilling to produce a true meaning of the Quran, not even in Arabic, far less in some translation, so the teachings of the Quran seem to be lost in the mad rush for illusionary power and intellectual self-gratification and moronic awe among Muslims.



Born Muslim Syndrome: The “Born-Muslim Syndrome,” is a disease that humans contract from Iblis in his statement of claim to be better than Adam, “I am better than he.”



The prophet and his companions were successful in Islam because they accepted Quran as instructions from Allah by which they conducted their lives. They had nothing to distract from Quran and desired only the Word of Allah in their sincere devotion to Allah.



Islam has failed in people who became complacent because of their self-acclaimed “born-Muslim” status.



Islam places a serious responsibility upon the one who begins his life with Muslim parents, too serious for him to allow himself to suffer the loss of awareness and guidance as he slips into false pride and gullibility within a racist group, for Iblis was being racist when he refused to bow at the creation of Adam.



In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful



Ø“Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to your parents whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour, and out of kindness lower to them the wing of humility, and say, My Lord, bestow on them Thy mercy even as they cherished me in childhood.” Sura Bani Israel, xvii: 23,24



Ø“We have enjoined on man, kindness to parents, but if they strive (to force you to join with Me in worship) anything of which you have no knowledge, OBEY THEM NOT, YOU HAVE TO RETURN TO ME AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL THAT YOU DID.” Sura Ankabul, xxix: 8.



Ø“And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents; in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: Show gratitude to Me and to your parents: to Me is your Goal. But if they strive to make you join in worship with Me things of which you have no knowledge, OBEY THEM NOT, yet bear them company in this life with justice and follow the way of those who turn to Me: in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth of all that you did.” Sura Luqman, xxxi: 14, 15.



The parents are duty bound to guide the child as commanded by the Quran just as the child is expected to honour the parents by the command of the Quran. Allah speaks the Truth.



The parent-to-child/child-to-parent command goes around and comes around, and this is instruction that begins with the birth of the Muslim to the child as well as to the parents who are first in line for shaping the life of the Muslim, and this command calls on the child to accept responsibility with the parents as witness and as first teacher.



No man who reads the Quran in submission to the Will of Allah will imagine himself to be fortunate to be born of Muslim parents and therefore born in possession of the favours without any effort of his own.



When one accepts his Islam as a gift from his parents, this Islam that he imagines then comes, not from Allah, but from someone who was commanded to be a slave of Allah and failed in his duty towards Allah and towards his offspring:



Ø“They impress upon thee as a favour they have embraced Islam. Allah has conferred a favour upon you that He has guided you to the Faith if you be true and sincere.” Q. XLIX: 17



The Muslim is duty bound to make every effort to convey to others the purity of the Quran, to the best of his ability, in which he must avoid fabrications to make up for his lack of knowledge or lack of understanding, which misleads others.



Islam gives to the man his rightful place and his manhood, which he earns by his obedience and his sincere devotion to Allah. Womanhood is a gift from Allah to the woman and to the man, but a man must earn his manhood in obedience to his Lord and with his fear for the displeasure of his Lord.



If a man is blinded by the Light of the Quran and he fails to see this Light because he places the sayings that are attributed to the man other than the Revelation from Allah before the Word of Allah, then he ignores this:



Ø“Were We to send down this Quran on a mountain you would see it humble itself and cleave asunder for fear of Allah.” Quran lix, 22



And he becomes a living example of this:



Ø“We did indeed offer the trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains but they refused to undertake it being afraid thereof, but man undertook is. He was indeed unjust and foolish.” Quran xxxiii, 72



The above information from the Quran provides a picture of proof for success or for the failure of the Deen of Islam. Any belief that ignores the Power of the Quran, even if it is presented as operating alongside the Quran, it joins another in worship of Allah in derogation of Allah.



The Born-Muslim Syndrome provides us with a Greek God as a prophet of Islam who will return from the sky, and orders the Biblical stoning to death of women for adultery only to satisfy cowardly racist desires, and this leads men away from the Path of Allah.



Muslims have strayed from Quran and are now as close to the Fire as any infidel.



Muslim scholars betray the prohet and ALLAH and the Quran when they pretend to be priests. Islam is not a Church and has no clergy and Abu j should take note of this.



Muslims corrupt the Quran to seek political benefits in Christian countries. Some accept the sociual benefits that Christian priests collect, along with tax-free favours, and this is NOT Islam.


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