Question:
Religious Challenge?
VoiceOfReason
2008-04-27 12:12:19 UTC
I challenge any educated, rational, intelligent person reading this to explain to the others how it is possible that Johnna lived in the whales stomach for 3 days? I further challenge you to tell the rest of us what you would say to your child if they came home and told you that a friend at school at been swallowed by a whale over the weekend but made it back to school on Monday. I also challenge you to explain to the rest of us how I can so easily communicate what I want with people all over the world and God has only a 2000 year old book and humans interpreting it many, many different ways and then trying to convince the rest of us of what he believes. Final challenge: to stop typing on your computer since it is the result of scientific research and discovery and if you choose to ignore science that factually refutes your religious beliefs yet accept the science that doesn't , like technology, then you've proven your own irrationality.
22 answers:
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:17:54 UTC
unto thee.



learn thy statutes.
godskid24
2008-04-27 12:26:46 UTC
Just because it was a large fish does not mean it was a whale.

If my child came home and said that I would doubt it until there was some proof.

God used what was availavle in the time that these things were written. The computer you use now was not available then.

Your statement about scientific research is quite silly. Do you believe every thing science states? Do you ever question your doctor or question why it is healthy to eat certain foods this week and next week it is not?

Scientific FACTS change from year to year that does not mean that everything they do is wrong and neither does it mean that everything they do is right.
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:32:54 UTC
1. What you think is the voice of reason is nothing more than

the voice of arrogant foolishness and immaturity.



2. The Prophet Jonah was a sign given in prophecy of the

death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ; since the people

Nineveh worshipped a fish god, it was a spectacular

idea of God to have the fish spit Jonah out in front of them.

What you ask is that an act of God be done at a local

school with a child being consumed by a whale. To quote

God himself, "no sign will be given you, but the sign

of Jonah". God says you can take it or leave it, but thats

what you're getting. I tell you that as well. Take it or leave

it.



3. You want me to explain to you why you have a computer?

Or do you want to know why you, with all your wordy

sentences and obvious intelligence, cannot get people

to respect and believe your words, when even after 2000

years, people by the millions worship the Living God?

You probably have a computer because you bought it,

and the reason the Word of God is followed is because

its true. Do you know anyone other than in Scripture that

tells of a major event, in the smallest of detail, 1000 years

prior to it happening? Psalms 22,23 the detailed descrip-

tion of the crucifiction, right down to what the soldiers

would be doing at the foot of the cross.



4. I have no intention of trying to convince anyone of what I

believe. As Christians, we are mandated only to plant

a seed where the opportunity presents itself, but not ever

do we have control over that seed or the ability to make

the seed grow. Once the seed is planted, our job is

done. God likes to do things on His timetable, not ours.



5. I am a devout Christian and understand from the Word of

God that this Earth is eons and eons in age. In fact, it

tells us of an entire earth age before this one we live in

now. In addition, I celebrate any find of our World's

dedicated Scientific community. There is nothing that

excites me so much as to have something else of Gods

creation discovered and investigated. I applaud their

hard work and dedication, and I should mention that I

go quite often on Arch digs all across America. I have

a mammoth tusk in my office, along with two large

dinosaur teeth.



Is there anything else you wish to rant about? If so, I'll still

be here on this keyboard you think I have no right to.

I challenge you to grow up.
wise1
2008-04-27 12:23:37 UTC
Maybe you could start by asking a question coherently.



Is that too much of a challenge?



WTF does faith have to do with rationality, if you want to be truthful!



If a you were swallowed and then you killed the whale, you wouldn't be digested and end up as excrement. It would probably take several days for you to cut yourself out with a a knife, or even a sword.



But that has nothing to do with the moral of the story in the book of Jonah.



Ever heard of reading comprehension?
Deirdre H
2008-04-27 12:22:03 UTC
I also challenge you to explain how seeming inconsistencies in one religion's texts disprove the benefit of ALL religious belief.



BTW....

1.It's Jonah.

2. The episode of Jonah is documented to show that God can produce miracles. A miracle is an event which would otherwise be impossible, hence the fact that it cannot be explained by rational means is what in fact makes it a miracle.



I'm not a Christian, but I don't use arguments such as this against it. I don't believe because I don't believe. If you are expending such effort in trying to refute it, one might wonder who it is that you are trying to convince. With all that effort, are you certain that you aren't simply looking for an excuse to not believe?
eventhorizen
2008-04-27 12:30:47 UTC
I challenge you to tell me where it says 'whale'.



The term used in the Book of Jonah is actually "great fish", and there are several sea creatures that fit this description. The Basking shark and Whale shark (which are both actually fish) both feed in a way that allows them to pick up inedible objects, which can sit in their stomachs for days before being digested. Obviously, Jonah wasn't digested.



If you don't think the Bible is founded on science, you can go here, http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp, then email me and tell me what you think.



EDIT: Phoebe's piece may be long, but it's quite interesting. You should try to find the time to read it.
gismoII
2008-04-27 12:23:07 UTC
Suggest you read the Catholic Catechism herein on the internet. It is considered the revealed truth of God Himself as authoized by Matt 16, verses 18-19. Diviating from these truths is what causes all the confusion even among other Christians. Science and the Church are NOT opposed to each other either since both seek the truth.
?
2016-11-09 04:49:43 UTC
first of all, Jonah wasn't swallowed via a whale, the Bible says an excellent fish. Jonah replaced into obstinate and did not do what God commanded and carry forth unto Nineveh, rather, he ran to Tarshish, have been given on a deliver and tried to run removed from God. God brought about an excellent wind to stand up and Jonah replaced into tossed overboard. an excellent fish swallowed Jonah. The Lord stored Jonah alive interior the tummy of the super fish to instruct him a lesson in obedience. Jonah replaced into petrified of direction as could I be. Jonah prayed and replaced into extra from the fish. Jonah then proceeded to evangelise unto Nineveh and the city became from evil to maintain on with God. Jonah survived interior the tummy of the fish via a miracle. ought to it ensue despite if it weren't a miracle? of direction, why not. human beings stay to tell the story decrease than avalanches for days, wrecked autos for days, decrease than collapsed homes for days, so why not a extensive fish. The Bible may be taken as literal till of direction it says in any different case in parables or symbology or maybe at that, they'll constantly factor to the actuality. Ask a scientist if it is conceivable to stay interior the tummy of an excellent fish for 3 days. If he's any style of scientist he will ought to declare sure because of fact as a scientist is known with of, there could have been a extensive fish residing for the duration of Jonahs time that swallowed him and that isn't exist now. there are various opportunities to be considered here which you needless to say have not performed. The Bible additionally says that God "arranged" a creature. How did He practice this fish? via not allowing his digestive residences to function? Many scientists immediately are people who have not got the open thoughts mandatory to examine this international interior the right way. God isn't an selection for the evolutionist yet those comparable scientists that go away no room for God have yet to describe the place the vast mass of skill and textile got here from to reason the vast bang and shaped this universe. additionally what rigidity brought about this mass of fabric and abilities to without notice explode. Evolutionists say that skill is everlasting, if it rather is the case why can not there be an everlasting God besides? something to contemplate.
ecoguy
2008-04-27 12:23:57 UTC
Don't bother, they will either ignore the question and say something else. Come up with an elaborate excuse. Say they don't believe in that part of the bible. Or just tell you to shut up and believe cause god works in mysterious ways or something along those lines.
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:24:50 UTC
i bet you got this idea from youtube!!!lol.



well,the bible makes so much sense to those that have faith in GOD and JESUS!!!but then i pose this question to you:



from the time JESUS was born till the moment he died,he gave EVERYTHING to do GODS will.not a day that went by that JESUS did sin,not a day that went by that he never did anything to offend his father,not a day went by that he forgot the purpose of his life here on earth.a person of this kind,can you ever find in this world?



i dont think that a person can be that holy or that sinless to be human,but i believe that person to be the

SON OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
:
2008-04-27 12:19:30 UTC
It wasn't a Whale it was a fish.



And I don't understand why you want to waste your time trying to convince Bible believing Christians not to believe. Seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.
Dances with Unicorns
2008-04-27 12:17:30 UTC
Honey, don't take it so seriously. It's allegorical, like lots of the stories in the Bible. You (and your "challenge") just sound silly and rather pompous.



Don't get your knickers in such a twist. Maybe you should pour yourself a nice stiff drink and chill out before you rupture something?
daljack -a girl
2008-04-27 12:36:07 UTC
What is the point in a religious challenge.



Why does anyone care that there are millions of people who truly whole-heartily believe that what's in the Bible happened just as it says.



I don't believe it....but I respect and don't care who does believe it.
?
2008-04-27 12:22:34 UTC
Easy: Jonah 1:17. God PREPARED a great fish. If God prepared it, then it can do what is was prepared by God to do.
CrG
2008-04-27 12:22:08 UTC
With God, creator of the universe, all things are possible, even your conversion for which I am praying.
James O
2008-04-27 12:15:47 UTC
The Book of Jonah was a novella
Fish <><
2008-04-27 12:22:50 UTC
You left out "with God anything is possible."
Dragon
2008-04-27 12:19:27 UTC
Wow.

You really needed to get that of your chest didn't ya!

You are aware that it's going to be completely wasted don't on them though don't you?
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:16:13 UTC
You have to get past the little details and see the bigger picture.
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:20:49 UTC
noone cares what you believe....GOD IS TRUE and real and you either believe or you dont... he never lies..
superpest_99
2008-04-27 12:16:30 UTC
Do you feel better, now?
anonymous
2008-04-27 12:16:16 UTC
The story of Jonah is the incredible tale of a disobedient prophet who, upon being swallowed by a whale (or a “great fish” - see below) and vomited upon the shore, reluctantly led the reprobate city of Nineveh to repentance. The Biblical account is often criticized by skeptics because of its miraculous content. These miracles include:



A Mediterranean storm, both summoned and dissipated by God (1:4-16).



A massive fish, appointed by God to swallow the prophet after he was thrown into the sea by his ship’s crew (1:17).



Jonah’s survival in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights, or his resurrection from the dead after being vomited upon the shore, depending on how you interpret the text (1:17).



The fish vomiting Jonah upon shore at God’s command (2:10).



A gourd, appointed by God to grow rapidly in order to provide Jonah with shade (4:6).



A worm, appointed by God to attack and whither the shady gourd (4:7).



A scorching wind, summoned by God to discomfort Jonah (4:8).



Critics also find Nineveh’s repentance (3:4-9) hard to believe, though it isn’t technically a miracle. In actual fact, Nineveh’s repentance makes perfect sense given Jonah’s extraordinary arrival upon the shores of the Mediterranean and the prominence of Dagon worship in that particular area of the ancient world. Dagon was a fish-god who enjoyed eminence among the pantheons of Mesopotamia and the eastern Mediterranean coast. He is mentioned several times in the Bible in relation to the Philistines (Judges 16:23-24; 1 Samuel 5:1-7; I Chronicles 10:8-12). Images of Dagon have been found in palaces and temples in Nineveh and throughout the region (see Sir Austen Henry Layard’s Nineveh and its Remains, volume 2, p. 353 ff). In some cases he was represented as a man wearing a fish. In others he was part man part fish; a merman of sorts.



As for Jonah’s success in Nineveh, Orientalist Henry Clay Trumbull made a valid point when he wrote, “What better heralding, as a divinely sent messenger to Nineveh, could Jonah have had, than to be thrown up out of the mouth of a great fish, in the presence of witnesses, say on the coast of Phoenicia, where the fish-god was a favorite object of worship? Such an incident would have inevitably aroused the mercurial nature of Oriental observers, so that a multitude would be ready to follow the seemingly new avatar of the fish-god, proclaiming the story of his uprising from the sea, as he went on his mission to the city where the fish-god had its very centre of worship.” (H. Clay Trumbull, “Jonah in Nineveh.” Journal of Biblical Literature. Vol. 2, No.1, 1892, p. 56)



Some scholars have speculated that Jonah’s appearance, no doubt bleached white from the action of the fish’s digestive acids, would have been of great help to his cause. If such were the case, the Ninevites would have been greeted by such a man whose skin, hair and clothes were bleached ghostly white; a man accompanied by a crowd of frenetic followers, many of who claimed to have witnessed him having been vomited upon the shore by a great fish (plus any colorful exaggerations they might have added).



Jonah needed only to cause enough of a stir to gain himself admittance to the king who, upon believing Jonah’s message of imminent doom for himself would have the power to proclaim a citywide day of fasting and penance. According to the Biblical narrative that’s exactly what happened (Jonah 3:6-9). So we see that, given the caveat that Jonah was spewed upon the shore by a great fish, Nineveh’s repentance follows from a very logical progression.



As for Jonah’s aquatic experience (which is the crux of the story), while there is no conclusive proof that Jonah was ever swallowed by a fish and lived to tell about it, there is some provocative corroboratory evidence.



In the 3rd Century B.C., a Babylonian priest/historian named Berosus wrote of a mythical creature named Oannes who, according to Berosus, emerged from the sea to give divine wisdom to men. Scholars generally identify this mysterious fish-man as an avatar of the Babylonian water-god Ea (also known as Enki). The curious thing about Berosus’ account is the name that he used: Oannes.



Berosus wrote in Greek during the Hellenistic Period. Oannes is just a single letter removed from the Greek name Ioannes. Ioannes happens to be one of the two Greek names used interchangeably throughout the Greek New Testament to represent the Hebrew name Yonah (Jonah), which in turn appears to be a moniker for Yohanan (from which we get the English name John). See John 1:42, 21:15 and Matthew 16:17. Conversely, both Ioannes and Ionas (the other Greek word for Jonah used in the New Testament) are used interchangeably to represent the Hebrew name Yohanan in the Greek Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament. Compare 2 Kings 25:23 and 1 Chronicles 3:24 in the Septuagint with the same passages from the Hebrew Old Testament.



As for the missing I in Ioannes, according to Professor Trumbull who claims to have confirmed his information with renowned Assyriologist Dr. Herman V. Hilprecht before writing his own article on the subject, “in the Assyrian inscriptions the J of foreign words becomes I, or disappears altogether; hence Joannes, as the Greek representative of Jona, would appear in Assyrian either as Ioannes or as Oannes.” (Trumbull, ibid., p. 58)



Nineveh was Assyrian. What this essentially means is that Berosus wrote of a fish-man named Jonah who emerged from the sea to give divine wisdom to man – a remarkable corroboration of the Hebrew account.



Berosus claimed to have relied upon official Babylonian sources for his information. Nineveh was conquered by the Babylonians under King Nabopolassar in 612 BC, more than 300 years before Berosus. It is quite conceivable though speculative that record of Jonah’s success in Nineveh was preserved in the writings Berosus. If so, it appears that Jonah was deified and mythologized over a period of three centuries, first by the Assyrians who no doubt associated him with their fish-god Dagon, and then by the Babylonians who appear to have hybridized him with their own water-god Ea.



In addition to Berosus’ account, Jonah appears elsewhere in the chronicles of Israel as the prophet who predicted Jeroboam II’s military successes against Syria in the 8th Century before Christ (2 Kings 14:25). He is said to be the son of Amittai (cf. Jonah 1:1) from the town of Gath-hepher in lower Galilee. Flavius Josephus reiterates these details in his Antiquities of the Jews (chapter 10, paragraph 2). Jonah was not an imaginary figure invented to play the part of a disobedient prophet, swallowed by a fish. He was part of Israel’s prophetic history.



As for the city of Nineveh, it was rediscovered in the 19th Century after more than 2500 years of obscurity. It is now believed to have been the largest city in the world at the time of its demise (see Tertius Chandler's Four Thousand Years of Urban Growth: An Historical Census). According to Sir Austen Henry Layard who chronicled the rediscovery of Nineveh in his classic Discoveries At Nineveh, the circumference of Greater Nineveh was “exactly three days' journey,” as recorded in Jonah 3:3 (Austen Henry Layard. A Popular Account of Discoveries at Nineveh. J. C. Derby: New York, 1854, p. 314). Prior to its rediscovery, skeptics scoffed at the possibility that so large a city could have existed in the ancient world. In fact, skeptics denied the existence of Nineveh altogether. It’s rediscovery in the mid 1800’s proved to be a remarkable vindication for the Bible which mentions Nineveh by name 18 times and dedicates two entire books (Jonah and Nahum) to its fate.



It is interesting to note where the lost city of Nineveh was rediscovered. It was found buried beneath a pair of tells in the vicinity of Mosul in modern day Iraq. These mounds are known by their local names, Kuyunjik and Nabi Yunus. Nabi Yunus happens to be Arabic for “the Prophet Jonah.” The lost city of Nineveh was found buried beneath an ancient tell named after the Prophet Jonah.



As for the whale, the Bible doesn’t actually specify what sort of marine animal swallowed Jonah. Most people assume that it was a cachalot (also known as the "sperm whale"). It may very well have been a white shark. The Hebrew phrase used in the Old Testament, gadowl dag, literally means “great fish.” The Greek used in the New Testament is këtos which simply means “sea creature.” There are at least two species of Mediterranean marine life that are known to be able to swallow a man whole. These are the cachalot and the white shark. Both creatures are known to prowl the Mediterranean and have been known to Mediterranean sailors since antiquity. Aristotle described both species in his 4th Century B.C. Historia Animalium.



So we now have three of the four major players: Jonah, Nineveh and the man-eating fish. All that remains is the fourth major player: God.



Skeptics scoff at the miracles described in the book of Jonah as if there were no mechanism by which such events could ever occur. That is their bias. We are inclined however to believe that there is One who is capable of manipulating natural phenomena in such supernatural ways. We believe that He is the Creator of the natural realm and is not therefore circumscribed by it. We call Him God and we believe that He sent Jonah to Nineveh to coerce their repentance.



God has made Himself known throughout history in many diverse ways, not the least of which was His incarnation in the Person of Jesus Christ. Not only does Jesus give us reason to believe that there exists One who is able to perform miracles, He gives us every confidence that such events have in fact occurred.



Jesus spoke of Jonah’s ordeal as a real historical event. He used it as a typological metaphor for His ow


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