Question to Atheist: Is this reasonable logic or not ?

Question

I Atheistic people believe that Noah's Ark is a hard story to swallow And I want this to be just about Noah's Ark to keep it simple

.I pose this question : Would it seem impossible; to some one around Noah's time ;
if you were to tell them that we could talk to people from around the world with a push of a button ?? You might say they would call that impossible.

So how can we ; living in an advanced age of technology say it is impossible for a man to build a one boat ? And put Animals in it. ? We build greater things today.

Also asking why some one gathers animals in one place is like asking Why are Zoos made. So I won't address that.

Consider this :

Take a look at this life size replica of the real Ark :

It was built with a couple of helpers and one carpenter and it took them, 4 years and 3 months.
They went by the Biblical dimensions alone to Build this Ark >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJimDolW7Ao




Taking in this information, and the video into account. Would you conclude it is infeasible for one man and a few helpers to make the Biblical Ark and put animals on it ?



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For anyone interested :

Some people believe these could be the real remains of Real Noah's Ark >>>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wIKiOgk10


There are also a couple of other Archaeological sites that could be of interest as well... I suggest your research them If interested.

Answer 1

feasible

Answer 2

According to the Noah myth, the ark was about 450 ft long. The largest all wood sea faring vessel was the Wyoming with a hull length of 329.5 ft. At that length, without steel reinforcements, the ship's timbers would flex so much that it leaked and had to have pumps running constantly to pump the water out. Experts agree that any all wood vessel longer than this would not be sea worthy. At the supposed 450 ft, Noah's ark would end up ripping itself apart under it's own weight, the added weight of the cargo would just speed up that process.



I'm not even going to get into the fact that in order to cover all the mountains, the ark would have been so far up in the atmosphere, all of its occupants would have frozen to death and or suffocated from lack of oxygen, or even the fact that there is not enough water on Earth to cover all the mountains.



The Noah myth is an impossibility.



And about that replica...it has steel reinforcements to help hold it together.

Answer 3

For one- you do realize that every environment on Earth has animals that are specifically adapted to said environments, don't you? In order for Noah to have been able to gather ALL of those animals in the case of a global flood (which is what is described in the Bible), many of those animals would have had to cross oceans... most of which would have never survived the trip. In essence, a kangaroo alone makes that story about .00000001% possible.



Then factor in the lack of oxygen that would result after the Earth flooded, feeding and caring for the animals, keeping the carnivores from eating everything else, the insects constantly feeding off everything else in the nearby vicinity, and humans trying to live with the stench of decaying urine and feces in such small and crowded quarters (as well as the fact that you cannot repopulate a species from two individuals- the gene pool is far too shallow for it to work) and you have all the makings of a fairy tale.



I would say not only is it not feasible, it's impossible. There are lessons that were behind the story though- and a religious person (especially a person who follows the teachings of one Jesus who often spoke in parables) should probably take into consideration that the ark story was NOT to be taken literally...





Then again, that's just how it was explained to me in MY church when I was still a Christian.

Answer 4

The technology and material available to man at the time the Noah story takes place, would not make possible, without a whole series of miracles (impossible things happening) the structure described, that could carry the stated load.



Of course, if some hypothetical god, miraculously held a bunch of planking in the general shape of a boat, and held back each molecule of water from passing between them, then the boat could have held anything of any weight.



Then we come to the problem of where the water came from and where it went, afterward. Miracle, miracle, miracle, miracle...



Once we get to this point, logic is not even involved in the discussion.



If you want logic, look at this list of the largest wooden ships ever built and find something close to the Ark. It must not be one that has steel reinforcements or iron bolts.



Your video of the Dutch recreation of the Ark was hilarious. I laughed out loud at the line "welding metal hulls of steel barges together". Was Noah a welder? Electric arc or oxy acetylene?



Sorry to be a party pooper, but I am an engineer.



Noah's Ark is a Paul Buntan type tall tale. It got more glorious at each retelling. Then, after a very many retellings, it got written down.



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Regards,



John Popelish

Answer 5

It's completely feasible that a guy, and his sons, built a boat, 4,500 years ago. It's also within the realms of credibility that he brought some animals on board, and they were in the boat during a flood event, which lasted for an extended period of time.



BUT THAT'S NOT THE BIBLICAL FLOOD STORY, CHAMP. IS IT?



The book you believe to be inerrant states that this man brought on 2 (or 7) of every creature. That the flood covered the entire world. That after the floodwaters receded, this man, his sons, their wives, and these animals PROPAGATED THE WHOLE WORLD.



Stop spreading bs.

Answer 6

Sure... If the lumber was pre-cut, that you have access to mechanized and powered tools.



I'd like to see someone trying to float it, I'd bet the first wave would crush it. There is a reason the largest wooden boats were never built that big.





As to your claim the flood was not universal, here is what you are missing:



6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.



7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.



8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.







Got that? "Whole earth".



One more reason to call the bible a fairy tale book, and those who cling to it, thinking that it could somehow be true, totally delusional.

Answer 7

Sorry, there are far too many holes in the Ark story:



If you accept as fact that the world was flooded at least to the top of Mount Ararat then the miracle involved was a very large one.



There is not enough water on Earth to cause the water level to reach that height. Mount Ararat is 5,137 meters (16,853 feet) in elevation.

One theory was that God caused all the water in the atmosphere to rain out, raising the water level. That theory fails. If every subatomic particle of everything in the air (water, dust, pollen, smoke, salt from the ocean etc.) plus the air itself were converted into water molecules, it would only yield 10 meters (33 feet) of water. If in addition, you melted all the ice on Earth, the water level would still fall short by more than three miles.



The flood would require the creation of over 2.6 billion cubic kilometers (623 million cubic miles) of water. That is almost twice the water as already exists on Earth’s surface in all forms. That would have been a very great miracle indeed.



Since the water arrived in the form of rain, and in only forty days and nights, the rainfall would have been more than twice as intense as the heaviest ever recorded which was 38 millimeters (1.5 inches) in one minute in Barst, Guadeloupe. Instead of lasting only a few minutes, this rate of rainfall must have continued for 40 days and on every square inch of Earth's surface simultaneously to result in that much water.



After this, God would have to make another huge miracle to remove all the newly created water from the Earth and trick Noah into thinking that the floodwater naturally subsided as in regular floods.

Many other miracles would be required such as keeping the newly created fresh water from mixing with normal ocean salt water, making sure that water life returned to their original lakes, ponds and rivers without mixing, repairing all damage so leaving no evidence of a worldwide flood etc.

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Answer 8

Infeasible.



These stories were not meant to be taken as literally as you're describing.



Simply for moral, face value- to teach people lessons.



These stories were not actually written down until years and years and years after they were told. People used to sit around and share verbal stories/fables/folklore - people could not read.. they could not write... there was no such thing as distribution of written word.



For you to compare the gathering of animals in a zoo to the gathering that would have hypothetically happened on said ark is ludicrous. Do you have any idea the amount of energy & man power it takes to gather animals from around the world TODAY, and situate them in a zoo? It would have taken him more than 4 years alone to gather species if he had.



Stop taking these stories and their characters so literally, and accept them as fables (a story featuring a moral)

Answer 9

Not enough room for all the animals, and anyway what did the carnivores eat?



Maybe this is why dinosaurs died out. You know, cuz your god was too incompetent to fit them in the ark?

Answer 10

And that all provides exactly zero evidence this even might have happened.



A global flood would leave a signature in the geology my cat could read. It ain't there. It's a stupid and totally impossible story. It's not about technology...it's about the lack of evidence that would be easily found.

Answer 11

Could he build an boat, feasible

Could he put all the animals in the world on that ark, impossible.

Answer 12

Not enough room for all the animals. Needed to take freshwater fish on board. Global flood never occurred.

Answer 13

You heard the part where the actual, working "boat" part was four steel barges welded together right?





Btw, everything you claimed as "fact" directly contradicts the Biblical account of the Flood. Every one of them.

Answer 14

The Titanic only held about 3000 people, what ship has enough room for two of each several million species in the world?

Answer 15

There are floods all the time, bro.

You don't think anyone's ever written a story about a flood?

A merchant survived a flood, great.

Answer 16

To save all of the animals on earth, that boat would have to be big enough to accommodate at least 20,000,000 animals.



Demonstrate that the replica can, and we'll talk.

Answer 17

Your logic simply astonishes me. You, good sir, have persuaded me that only Aliens could have successfully preserved so many species, thus Noah could only have been an Alien.



-Its interesting to note the implications of this. It would follow that in fact Aliens rather then men were the first theological monotheists on Earth.

Answer 18

Tell me how it's possible to fit billions of species onto one ark with those measurements. Also, please tell me how taking two of hermaphroditic species helps anything.

Answer 19

Your only recourse here is magic. With magic, anything is possible.