Question:
Christians, who told you evolution is a theory? They deceived you AGAIIN?
anonymous
2007-06-03 21:43:45 UTC
These are facts

Fossils - the order can be determined by stratification alone (no radiological dating) it is unarguable and life started simple and got more complex.
* Anatomical similarities between species.
* Chemical similarities between species.
* Mitochondrial DNA regressive studies. - This comes only from your mother and the only changes to it are through mutations. These mutations occur at a known rate, and converge world wide 150,000 years ago give or take. If Eve (6000 years ago) was the only female, it would be almost identical world wide. It is not. The flood gives a second bottleneck that matches the facts even less well.
* Geographic distribution of related species. Meaning related species are usually near each other.
* Wisdom Teeth - there isn't room on your jaw for them anymore.
* Your little toe - totally useless. Nice intelligent design here.
* Your appendix - totally useless now but it does digest cellulose in other species.
24 answers:
Wolfeblayde
2007-06-03 21:52:36 UTC
Yawn. . .listening to you rant is considerably less interesting than watching a spin dryer go around and around at the laundromat. At least the spin dryer is doing something useful, while all you're doing is proving once again that you hate Christians and Christianity.



Do yourself and the rest of us a big favor and get some counseling. In the long run, your hatred and prejudice are only going to end up damaging your mental, physical, and emotional health.
friedman
2016-12-12 15:48:21 UTC
according to possibility i'm no longer the magnificent guy or woman to respond to your question as a results of fact i'm a Christian who believes in micro evolution and not macro evolution. With the variety you published your question, i'm valuable you're a student on the thought of evolution so no count what I write, you will detect some thing to %. on. So fairly, if i will positioned up a query back, could you enlighten a Christian like me who i actually don't have each and all of the solutions for you, what's the evolution concept and a million) how do you account for each and all of the lacking hyperlinks between many species 2) what's the suitable danger that it takes for random concerns interior the universe to type amino acids to proteins to cells to organs to existence (sorry if that seems short, i understand there are a number of greater intermediate steps), and how has that danger been examined 3) how do you account for the evolution from an basic (eg:) organ to a complicated one at the same time as without even one section the organ render ineffective (to illustrate: there is no linear dating between a monotone eye and a chromotone eye)? yet finally, i'm in simple terms thinking, what are the relevance to a Christian being knowledgeable or no longer makes a distinction to something approximately Christianity? An toddler ought to have no concept what 2 + 2 equals; yet that doesn't propose the respond is something yet 4.
dannamanna99
2007-06-03 22:03:21 UTC
so funny how people say it is fact. first if God created one animal or something about an animal and saw that it was good i am sure he would include that part in all animals. ie legs and mouth and what not. sign that there is one God who created us then. just like cars. 4 wheels for the most part and engine. different brands of cars out there but all are pretty much the same. small differences. some get better gas mileage or whatever. evolution is just a theory. no proof at all. some say there is but the stuff they say is proof has been proven wrong. there has been more proof the Bible is correct that has not been able to disprove then that evolution is correct. the biggest one is the fact that there was a world wide flood. they have proven that to have happend. the ark they proved it would have been more then big enough to hold all the animals including dinosors. and that it was a perfect floating devise that would not tip over. and many more. not to mention healings happen that no medicine can heal. aids, hep c. and many more as well. however the point is going to be both sides have there facts. why argue and fight. i did my job sharing God it is up to you if you want to believe or not. why fight about it. why if you say we have freedom cant i choose to believe. if i am right or wrong. why cant i choose to believe. my choice.



if you are right and i am wrong then ok what is the point to even be here. if you are right then what happens we just die. and nothing that is it. ok so what i am still happy. most people i know who are not saved are not happy at all. i am happy and dont regret living for God. i gave up tv and other stuff. but i gained family time and my kids loving to be around me now. i choose my life now any day before i was following God.



however what if i am right and there is a God. when i die i am living how i am supposed to be. because just being good wont save you. and i will know i am right. however if you die and you are wrong you will know you are wrong. if i am wrong and i die i wont know i was wrong but if you are right and you die you wont know you are right. i have a win win situation anyways. living as a christian again is far better then how i lived before. so even if i am wrong i dont regret it one bit. but i also know i am not wrong.
anonymous
2007-06-03 23:22:46 UTC
Darwin's Theory of Evolution defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It is unscientific in its very premise.

Any biological organism, left to itself, will decay. It does not improve.



Take a banana, unpeel it - (or, do not unpeel it and just set it on the counter). Return to the banana one week later. Matter decays. Matter breaks down. That is not a theory.



Fossil prints of dinosaurs have been found underneath the fossilized prints of humans. The account of the Book of Job is verified in this.



Every major "missing link" is now know to be a hoax. Piltdown Man was created out of bones stained with bichromate; "Piltdown Man" consisted of the jaw of an Orangutan, with chimpanzee teeth attached; the skull of "Eurasian Man" turned out (in 1984) to be the skull of a donkey; "Nebraska Man" was a single pig's tooth. And on and on it goes.



The Bible would have you believe that "ye are all one in Christ". Evolution disagrees:



Darwin stated that "the *****" was situated somewhere between a baboon and a Caucasian [The Descent of Man, 2nd ed. 1887]. "No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average ***** is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man ..." [Huxley, Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews, 1871]



With regard to your query/statement: Precisely who is being deceived?



Evolution in its entirety, is a humanistic rationale, designed solely to defy the existence of God. Delve into DNA, mitochondria, and anything else, then: for those who want to defy God, will do so, facts notwithstanding.



If you would truly like to test your brain, however, ask yourself - as an atheist - how Isaiah [40:22] knew, variously, that the earth was a sphere; or that the heavens (sky) were a dome surrounding the earth ... And how Job [26:7] - 4,000 years ago - knew that the earth hung suspended in space.



If you would like to engage yourself in a worthwhile pasttime, consider the science that is recorded in the Bible three and four thousand years before being "discovered" by modern man.



Sincerely,

Philip Livingstone

www.theforgottenbible.org
PaulCyp
2007-06-03 22:04:05 UTC
Yes these are facts that support the theory of evolution but technically it's still a theory, just as technically the existence of atoms is a theory. What people don't appreciate is the meaning of "theory" in science. In science an initial idea to explain something is called a hypothesis. This is actually what Darwin proposed - a hypothesis. Such an idea does not attain the exalted status of scientific theory until it has been thoroughly investigated, and a great deal of supporting evidence has been discovered. Evolutionary theory and atomic theory are two of the best supported theories in science, with tremendous volumes of supporting evidence for both, and no real evidence to the contrary. Read and learn:



http://evolution.berkeley.edu/



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Jennifer
2007-06-03 21:57:50 UTC
theory- means possible, but not proven.

law- proven. ex. - newton's laws of gravity and such.



even though I'm a Christian, i don't know what to think yet. I've asked fellow Christian's. it's all about how you interpret the Bible. who knows how long God's 6 days of creation were? how do we know what a day to God is? we don't. He could've guided evolution. hey, it seems possible. or He could have put fossils and stuff to test our faith in Him, and to see if we go by His book. we won't know until we get to judged. then maybe we can ask. but by the time you reach your judgement, i doubt you'll want to know. Heaven will be all you need. Hell will be all you hate. depends.



i myself am still searching for the answer. you're right, wisdom teeth have no purpose. fossils ARE there. and yeah, anatomical similarities are there, but if God thought that one thing worked fine, why would He need to make a whole new design for something? God can do all. He can make mutations in DNA whenever He wants to.
Rogue Scrapbooker
2007-06-03 21:52:18 UTC
Oh wanzanna... falling into the "theory means guess" camp, are we?



Let's try this again... in the science world, you know... where there are actual FACTS... the word "theory" means something that has been proven through testing. It's no longer just a guess. (That would be definitions 3 and 5 of your dictionary copy and paste job.)



Outside the science world, "theory" means guess, no facts to back it up. You know... like the theory of god or the theory of creation.
anonymous
2007-06-03 21:50:04 UTC
Evolution is still a theory, but I think it's wonderfully appropriate that evolution should move from theory to fact in a study of Darwin's Finches … because it was while Darwin himself was trying to make sense of his haphazard finch collection that the idea of evolution first occurred to him. With it, he could explain not only why different islands have different finches -- but also different mocking birds -- different plants -- different tortoises. From the time their ancestors arrived in the archipelago, the animals on different islands have gone their own independent ways, shaped by the conditions they found themselves in, until eventually they became -- different species. As for how their ancestors got here -- well, we're coming to that…



And you stole this from Gazoo, didn't you?
anonymous
2007-06-03 22:01:40 UTC
I would like to know who told you evolution is a fact??? If there is all this so called factual information that you are talking about why is it still to this day called a "theory"?? Where's all these intermediate species that support your THEORY of evolution...cause I have yet to see or hear about it.
conx-the-dots
2007-06-03 21:51:46 UTC
You can't talk science or speak of provable facts with the lemmings. They were brainwashed early on into not to think critically about things they don't understand....ask no question, pray away to the great mythical sky marshal and if things don't work out it's still your fault for not praying enough...
Mega
2007-06-03 22:01:19 UTC
Christians are stubborn, if Benny Hinn or Joel Osteen said he believed in evolution they would all change their minds.



For something in Science to be called a "theroy" it must be damn near irresputible. Time is only factor we can't control to know the absolute facts of evolution. If you could live 5 million years and see the changes you would believe it.
RIFF
2007-06-03 21:55:25 UTC
How dismayed you must be to realize that NO ONE FREAKING CARES ABOUT YOUR MAGICAL, MYSTERY STORY!!!!!!. Anatomical similarities? So when does Clyde the Orangutang get his driver's license instead of getting Philo Betto to drive his monkey-a*ss around in a P/U truck?



Wisdom teeth- no room in my jaw for them? As in they weren't really there when the dentist pulled them? Does he owe me a refund? Is there any room in your head for a brain?



Little toe totally uuusssseeeelllleess? Pal, whatever degree mill you went through to get all of this totally "useless knowledge", you should check on refund dates.







Really
Dylan H
2007-06-03 22:00:46 UTC
"Theory" is an often misunderstood word.



It means 'a hypothesis supported by the vast majority of empirical evidence.'



Parts of evolution are fact, i.e. microevolution.



Parts are theory, i.e. punctuated equilibrium.
† PRAY †
2007-06-03 22:00:12 UTC
And you expect to pass that for truth..

Tell me that you have excavated 6 million years down..

Show me the ruins that have things dating back beyond 10,000 years! It just doesn't exist..

There certainly isn't room in your jaw for any wisdom.
anonymous
2007-06-03 21:52:13 UTC
No evolution.. Just creation! Praise the Lord!



Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
anonymous
2007-06-03 21:50:52 UTC
These are among the facts that the theory is built on.



Theory ARE built on factual evidence.



Religious belief however, is built on faith, which is all creationist and ID proponenents have going for there side.
THE DYNAMO FROM OHIO
2007-06-03 21:58:40 UTC
Somebody is in for a surprise when judgement day rolls around!
the shiz
2007-06-03 21:52:36 UTC
It's a theory because other science says another theory.

Man has a theory, they study, find out they were wrong and come up with another theory. why trust science?
anonymous
2007-06-03 21:47:16 UTC
duh..it's called the evolution "theory"

read this from dictonay ...

1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2 : abstract thought : SPECULATION

3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art

4 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory

5 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

6 a : a hypothesis (assumed for the sake of argument) or investigation b : an unproved assumption : CONJECTURE c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subjec
qwert
2007-06-03 21:47:24 UTC
I already knew about evolution. You on the other hand should join modern civilization and put a shirt on.
teamjesus_ca
2007-06-03 21:49:43 UTC
When you find God, email me and tell me your experience. I am interested on how he will save you, but you first have to make yourself worthy of that honor.
Sarah R
2007-06-03 21:49:47 UTC
And your proof that God did none of those things is..... what? I'm sorry, I didn't hear you... Could you repeat that?
ShiKobe
2007-06-03 21:50:28 UTC
If they were all useless why did we evolve them?
eldad9
2007-06-03 21:59:27 UTC
I guess christians are not the only ones confused. Here you go, friend...



When non-biologists talk about biological evolution they often confuse two different aspects of the definition. On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution. Stephen J. Gould has put this as well as anyone else:



In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"--part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science--that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."



Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.



Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.



Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory--natural selection--to explain the mechanism of evolution.



- Stephen J. Gould, " Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981



Gould is stating the prevailing view of the scientific community. In other words, the experts on evolution consider it to be a fact. This is not an idea that originated with Gould as the following quotations indicate:



Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms.



- Theodosius Dobzhansky "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution", American Biology Teacher vol. 35 (March 1973) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, J. Peter Zetterberg ed., ORYX Press, Phoenix AZ 1983



Also:



It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.



The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution.



- R. C. Lewontin "Evolution/Creation Debate: A Time for Truth" Bioscience 31, 559 (1981) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism, op cit.



This concept is also explained in introductory biology books that are used in colleges and universities (and in some of the better high schools). For example, in some of the best such textbooks we find:



Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution.



- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434



Also:



Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.



- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972



One of the best introductory books on evolution (as opposed to introductory biology) is that by Douglas J. Futuyma, and he makes the following comment:



A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century.



- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15



There are readers of these newsgroups who reject evolution for religious reasons. In general these readers oppose both the fact of evolution and theories of mechanisms, although some anti-evolutionists have come to realize that there is a difference between the two concepts. That is why we see some leading anti-evolutionists admitting to the fact of "microevolution"--they know that evolution can be demonstrated. These readers will not be convinced of the "facthood" of (macro)evolution by any logical argument and it is a waste of time to make the attempt. The best that we can hope for is that they understand the argument that they oppose. Even this simple hope is rarely fulfilled.



There are some readers who are not anti-evolutionist but still claim that evolution is "only" a theory which can't be proven. This group needs to distinguish between the fact that evolution occurs and the theory of the mechanism of evolution.



We also need to distinguish between facts that are easy to demonstrate and those that are more circumstantial. Examples of evolution that are readily apparent include the fact that modern populations are evolving and the fact that two closely related species share a common ancestor. The evidence that Homo sapiens and chimpanzees share a recent common ancestor falls into this category. There is so much evidence in support of this aspect of primate evolution that it qualifies as a fact by any common definition of the word "fact."



In other cases the available evidence is less strong. For example, the relationships of some of the major phyla are still being worked out. Also, the statement that all organisms have descended from a single common ancestor is strongly supported by the available evidence, and there is no opposing evidence. However, it is not yet appropriate to call this a "fact" since there are reasonable alternatives.



Finally, there is an epistemological argument against evolution as fact. Some readers of these newsgroups point out that nothing in science can ever be "proven" and this includes evolution. According to this argument, the probability that evolution is the correct explanation of life as we know it may approach 99.9999...9% but it will never be 100%. Thus evolution cannot be a fact. This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world. A "fact," as Stephen J. Gould pointed out (see above), means something that is so highly probable that it would be silly not to accept it. This point has also been made by others who contest the nit-picking epistemologists.



The honest scientist, like the philosopher, will tell you that nothing whatever can be or has been proved with fully 100% certainty, not even that you or I exist, nor anyone except himself, since he might be dreaming the whole thing. Thus there is no sharp line between speculation, hypothesis, theory, principle, and fact, but only a difference along a sliding scale, in the degree of probability of the idea. When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact. For the evidence in favor of it is as voluminous, diverse, and convincing as in the case of any other well established fact of science concerning the existence of things that cannot be directly seen, such as atoms, neutrons, or solar gravitation ....



So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my conception of the orderliness of the universe so shaken as to lead me to doubt even my own existence. If you like, then, I will grant you that in an absolute sense evolution is not a fact, or rather, that it is no more a fact than that you are hearing or reading these words.



- H. J. Muller, "One Hundred Years Without Darwin Are Enough" School Science and Mathematics 59, 304-305. (1959) reprinted in Evolution versus Creationism op cit.



In any meaningful sense evolution is a fact, but there are various theories concerning the mechanism of evolution.


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