Question:
Some say Spiritual Truth is relative, is it?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Some say Spiritual Truth is relative, is it?
34 answers:
deito
2008-09-19 10:53:11 UTC
some statements first.



>> Truth means the one which is not Relative, if it is relative it is not truth.

>> There is no such thing called spiritual truth. truth is one and it is absolute.

>> Truth's very definition says not to be relative. the definition is one which is not relative that is truth.



and moreover, let me tell you a secret nature of these so called relative truths (or lies). Once you realize there relativity, they WILL have to replace themselves with what you can call less relative or more absolute truths and they have no other go.



This process will continue until you reach the truth which cannot be replaced, which is really the truth and which is beyond relativity and which is non dual and which is beyond logic and which is what you are.



So, just try to be rested on WHAT YOU THINK IS TRUE, when you understand what you were thinking is indeed not true, you will automatically move to a greater truth. Hence "what is this truth" is not important, neither "who u are" is important, ONLY thing which is important is "YOUR STRONG INTENTION TO REST IN TRUTH"... .Than ... the truth will definitely find you. it is compassionate enough.



God bless you ,



Deito



Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.
@NGEL B@BY
2008-09-18 19:12:01 UTC
what I believe is true might not be true to others because they don't believe in what I believe.
i am Sirius
2008-09-19 02:15:47 UTC
The very word "relative" bespeaks "relationship," which involves twoness or separation. As long as we see division from one another, from all things, and from God/Source, we will see truth relative to a plethora of factors arising out of our own separated "personal" experience. From this viewpoint all truths are, indeed, relative...my way is the right way, so to speak. From this point of view, the false ego is king, demanding allegiance to its truth du jour. And there lies the litmus test: changing, impermanent, phenomenal personal truth vs. unchanging, permanent, Absolute universal Truth.



The lesser, relative truth imprisons us in limitation, stroking our false egos, whereas Absolute Truth catapults us into the infinite and eternal, aligning us with All That Is in joyful and harmonious congruency. Time and space encapsulate here and there, past and future...all relative to individual perception/conception of truth. The Absolute contains only Now...this very moment unfolding in wholeness and perfection. Here, nothing needs parsing (breaking down into parts) for it encompasses All That Is as it is in its fullness. This is the All in All without boundaries.



Paradoxically, of course, the relative is contained within the Absolute and functions as a pointer, a sign, a way-shower to the Absolute Truth. Our mistake in our travels is that we "think" we have arrived at our destination when we come to the place on the map named Relative Truth. If we stop here, thinking it is the end of the journey, we will never arrive at Absolute Truth. In the Cilty of Relative Truth there is a cacophany of noises, a hustle and bustle of activity, certain to detain us. While in the City of Absolute Truth, there is a stillness and silence that enfolds and supports us. This is our true home.



i am Sirius
Peace! Lotus Flower
2008-09-19 07:51:02 UTC
Hello Phae,

I choose to sit back and just listen and learn from your question and answers.

I at first I wanted to rush in and speak, "My Truth"...willful, silly me...sometimes...but instead, I choose to listen to the whisper that says, "be still, and listen"

I love you always,

Peace!
2008-09-19 05:55:26 UTC
truth is also called "the absolute". no doubt left in the absolute.
Thimmappa M.S.
2008-09-19 00:18:25 UTC
Spiritual Truth is One and One only. As we access the spiritual within us, we experience that Unity and Oneness of all that exist. The relative is not really a 'truth', they are appearance only, ever changing, and banking on it would make us a pauper! Only self-seeking vested interest make relative a truth and put people eventually into suffering.
2008-09-18 21:16:29 UTC
Anything can be used as an alter. ; )
CaptAnil
2008-09-18 19:45:53 UTC
There are rarely absolute truths :-) Todays truth that we can use a Calculator can be yesterday's Magic :-) What is important is one appreciates each other's view point. Draw a 6 on your Hand and ask some one else , They will say it is 9 . Both are correct But from Each One's point of view Both are wrong :-) Thanks Sister
Johnny
2008-09-18 18:42:50 UTC
Truth is relative to what one believes. It doesn't have to necessarily be relative to a religion. If one believes the sky is purple, that shows how this person interprets things and might also influence what else they consider truth by thier reasoning on why the sky is purple.
2008-09-18 18:38:21 UTC
Objective truth is absolute.



Subjective truth is relative.
WillRogerswannabe
2008-09-18 19:59:58 UTC
One candle! One flame!

Two candles! One flame!

Three candles! One flame!

Billions of candles! One flame!



The only difference within the candles is the intensity generated from within the flame! One flame!



A flame is unaware of its own intensity.

The power that created the flame is the Only One that knows the intensity within the flame emitted from within each candle.

This is the Truth that dwells within the inner heart of man.

That is the only thing that is truly 'relative'!



Truth within Truth is "Unity", and for this there can be Only One!

This is the true birthright of one known as man. One flame among many, living in a state of Unity.



"One flame"!
?
2016-05-25 03:57:21 UTC
Nope, not arbitrarily. Statements of fact about the physical world that can be objectively observed and tested- empirical facts- have an objective reality. Questions of values are different, they appear to be relative. While there might be some absolute standard for them somewhere, I've seen no compelling evidence for it. For example, the statement that a baseball bat swung at high velocity at your head will, if it connects solidly, cause you extreme discomfort is a statement of empirical fact. It can be tested, observed, and, by objective standards, be determined to be more likely true or false. It need not be 100% certainty. Just because everyone known to have been hit in the head by a baseball bat has been known to suffer some detriment from it doesn't mean that the bat won't pass right through the next guy's head without causing any harm. but it's likely that the next guy's gonna have a headache. That's an example of absolute, or objective, fact. Next take the statement that baseball is better than football. Now I can muster arguments for both sides based on a number of different values. But ultimately this is a subjective matter of opinion and no evidence would change opinions about which you think is better into a statement of absolute fact. Moral values work, to all appearances, like other value judgments- they aren't absolute, they are subjective and relative. Can I prove this absolutely? No. Have I seen any evidence to lead me to believe otherwise? No. It might sound judgmental to some to say that a baseball bat is hard enough to cause a skull problems. But the judgment's based on empirical facts. It might sound judgmental to say that someone who thinks football is better than baseball is deluded or lying. It is so and without good reason. Absolutist statements about subjective things don't strike me as being very rational.
Naguru
2008-09-21 08:12:17 UTC
Spiritual Truth means permanent truth.



Whatever we see in Dreams is a momentary truth.



We mistake oyster for silver coin sometime. That mistaken identity so long as the mistaken delusion is there in the mind it is a temporary truth. Once we pick that coin, we come to know that is actually an oyster. So long as our mistaken identity was there, it was a silver coin and true.



I had my parents, but today I cannot prove them. Because they are not present. If some one says that I have no parents, I only know such truth. This is a truth known to individuals only.



There are some short term truths.



There are some long term truths.



Because of mental distraction, distortions and delusion, the real nature of an object will look other than its original. For instance, if we put a rod in water, it will look as if broken. The object may sometime look nearer. Obscurity is one angle where we mistake things other than its original shape.



Nothing in the world is permanent. That which exists always is considered truth. I restrict here.
Doc Watson
2008-09-18 21:47:13 UTC
All truth is relative, whether it comes from the heart, the mind or the soul.



Spiritual truth is a transcending truth rarely based on physical evidence.



An example would be the emotion of love. Physical science has never been able to provide a physical explanation for love. And yet the heart and soul know it's just as valid a truth as gravity or water and earth.
mind-scaper
2008-09-18 23:06:03 UTC
Hello. I think that Spiritual Truth can be relative and it can be all uniting. Can one person not accept his life one way and another a different way. Yet both may experience happiness and think, without knowing each other, that they will end up in heaven with the angels. Truth is simply what someone wants to interpret as something of reality. But to some reality itself is not part of their truth. My truth may be completely different than yours but we probably come to agreement in some aspects of that truth. I don't think that truth can be fixed as truth to me is practically intangible depending on the person. If a person thinks that truth is relative is that not the truth coming through them but to others it may seem a lie or a falsity? I think that truth can be relative depending on what you think truth really is. Sorry about the troll. Good bye.
2008-09-19 08:50:02 UTC
I'm not complete on what the truth is yet so I can't be sure. I think that there's really only THE truth and that we can only see it from our own place and interpret it in our own way.

Perhaps I've got it confused with the laws of nature. Perhaps the higher truth or truths are different.

Maybe the truth is that there is no truth, that its all up in the air.
Siva is the King of Yack :-)
2008-09-19 00:02:44 UTC
Truth is relative while 'fact' is not.



If we are in the same room we can agree to the factual temperature of the room, but disagree over whether it is too hot or cold. That is the difference between subjective truth and objective fact.



There is a spiritual truth that is objective but, until we are enlightened our own personal self colours the truth to our own beliefs.



_()_
Mythological Beast
2008-09-18 21:43:16 UTC
Truth isn't relative, it's subjective. Facts are objective because they can be reliably independently verified. Facts are the same no matter who, when, or where you are. Truths, on the other hand, are those things that we believe because someone told us so, because it makes sense, or because we need it to be true to maintain our self-image. (a few other reasons, but those are the biggies) Because they are reliant upon the things that we personally have learned over the years, they are also dependent upon the individual who believes them.



Often enough, someone will insist that there is one truth that is incontrovertible, but what these people really mean is that they want THEIR one truth to be incontrovertible. I consider this to be both selfish and short-sighted.
2008-09-22 19:46:52 UTC
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Is Spirituality relevant ? Truth relevant ? The two being relevant to each other ?



Truth is being authentic, sincere, honest. So I'd say, yes, Spiritual Truth is relevant. Spiritual Truth is relative to the pureness of the One Light (God). Using the word " pure " . . . it doesn't get any more clear than that.



Many mis-use the original meaning of such words as love, truth, spiritual, soul, thus the confusion that those words get muddied in conversation.

.
2008-09-21 10:53:24 UTC
There is universal truth which is based on spiritual principals that can only be experienced as proof. Those who don't experience it don't believe it. I for one had to be awakened before I knew it as truth.And now I hold to truth but truth doesn't belong to me-- it belongs to all of man/woman kind. However, not believing it doesn't change it, negate it or invalidate it.
SteveT
2008-09-18 19:32:29 UTC
Thats what makes us who we are truth,, and love,, we choose who we want to be in this world by the things we say and do,, truth can come in many ways ,,, you and i could be laying in an open field, looking at the clouds,, and we might see the same thing,, where someone else might not, in this case there is no right or wrong, its just how we see it,,, i believe when you find truth within you find yourself,,
?
2008-09-19 15:55:45 UTC
There is nothing relative about the truth



One either lives in the truth or not.



Live your live truthfully, in all you do be truth-full and you will become free.



It is as simple as that... become the truth and discover the peace and freedom.



Nothing complicated about it, only those who live in lies will fear you.
Abhishek Joshi
2008-09-18 19:36:07 UTC
Work on knowing the truth yourself, rather than deliberating over it! Then all the questions will end immediately, and you'd come back with the same smile, everyone who 'experiences' it has, the smile of knowing the singular truth!



:)
?
2008-09-21 08:27:52 UTC
Truth is One and never changes its appearance,power,love, etc etc.There is no such thing as my Truth or your Truth.Truth is Truth only.
Seeker
2008-09-18 19:11:15 UTC
Truth is true, by virtue of being the "truth".



If it was anything else, it would not BE "truth" and therefore "untrue"+



It is not necessary to qualify "truth",

what is "truth" stands alone,

as, it IS the attribute of He who IS "truth".
2008-09-18 18:47:03 UTC
Well, to many people the truth is relative to what they want certain truths to be.



example: pro-choicers demand that a baby is not a baby.
cheir
2008-09-18 18:39:45 UTC
John 14:6; ' ... Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.'
2008-09-18 18:38:42 UTC
Of course it is.



You can only see Truth from your own perspective, which is not and can never be the same as any other persons.



.
2008-09-18 18:39:36 UTC
No, the Left's promotion of a moral and theological equivalence between Islam and Christianity prevents people from realizing just how seriously jihadism threatens Western society and its ideals of human rights.



Jews, Christians, and peoples of other faiths (or no faith) are equally at risk from militant Islam and the Liberals are too stupid to see it.
Bob
2008-09-18 18:39:32 UTC
There is only one Truth, that is Jesus Christ Crucified for Our sins. As the Apostle Paul said, everything else is a pile of garbage.
2008-09-18 18:38:57 UTC
There is one truth for every one of us and there is one truth for all of us.



edit: *head spins*



:D
naughty
2008-09-18 19:20:37 UTC
Relativeness is born,sustained and destroyed in the absolute Truth.

Though it looks paradoxical it is so.
2008-09-18 18:39:11 UTC
When you consider who the' father of lies' is you may want to rethink this query.
2008-09-18 19:25:59 UTC
Maybe yes and maybe no. It all depends.


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