Question:
Jews are not god's chosen...Christians are.?
sam
2010-11-21 16:12:11 UTC
Ezekiel 44:7, Zech 11:10, Galatians 4:21-31, Hebrews 8:13, and Matthew 21:43. The Kingdom was taken from the Jews and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it (ie. the Christians according to 1Peter 2:9). This is all part of what Jeremiah 18 talks about. If it is biblical why do premillennialists keep answering with Darby's teaching on the "separate rapture" and the 7 year tribulation junk that is nowhere in the Bible? Are they happy with making stuff up and acting like it is proven by scripture? Can they prove it without a shadow of a doubt that the Bible states what they are saying is true? I bet they can't prove it.
Nine answers:
Hatikvah
2010-11-22 09:00:41 UTC
Replacement Theology:

Christian theology accepts the Hebrew Bible. It does not quarrel with the statements therein that the Jews were a special people chosen by God to receive the Torah and bring holiness into the world. But Christian theology says that the Jews failed in their mission. This is why God sent His “son” (Jesus) to straighten things out, but the Jews refused to recognize him as “god.”



As a result, God abandoned the Jews and replaced them with the “new chosen people”—the Christians. (Hence, the Christian segment of the Bible is called the “New Testament” which is Greek for “scripture.”)



By this line of reasoning however, there would no longer be any purpose for Jews in the world. They should disappear, like did so many mightier peoples. But by the first millennium—already 1,000 years after the death of Jesus—the Jews were still all over the place.



Christian theology had to come up with some sort of answer to this problem and it did. The Jews must have been doomed to wander the earth by God as a “witness people”—teste veritatis in Latin. The purpose of a witness people is to survive throughout history to bear witness at the end of days that Jesus is the Messiah, when he appears again for the so-called “Second Coming.”



But the explanations of Christian theology could not remove the sore spot that the presence—at times, strong and prosperous presence—of the Jews represented. At the heart of the matter was the Christian view of Judaism as a direct competitor for the soul of humanity.



The hostility that the Christians felt toward the Jews can be seen readily from the writings of the early fathers of the Christian Church. (See What Did They Think of the Jews? by Allan Gould, pp. 24-25.)



From John Chrysostom, the Patriarch of Constantinople, we get this:



“Jews are the most worthless of men - they are lecherous, greedy, rapacious - they are perfidious murderers of Christians, they worship the devil, their religion is a sickness ... The Jews are the odious assassins of Christ and for killing god there is no expiation, no indulgence, no pardon. Christians may never cease vengeance. The Jews must live in servitude forever. It is incumbent on all Christians to hate the Jews.”



From Gregory of Nyssa, we get more of the same:



“Slayers of the lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of god, haters of god, men who show contempt for the law, foes of grace, enemies of the father’s faith, advocates of the devil, brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men whose minds are in darkness, leaven of the Pharisees, assembly of demons, sinners, wicked men, stoners and haters of righteousness.”



In some places, such calumny incited people to violence.



(We saw in Part 45, for example, how the Crusader mobs devastated the Jewish population of Europe, slaughtering 30%-50% of the Jews living there. Some 10,000 Jews of an estimated population of about 20,000-30,000 were murdered in 1095 as the first Crusade got under way.)



In other places, such calumny bred other forms of persecution.



http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/blood_libel/
Will L
2010-11-21 16:32:30 UTC
If you read scripture you will see that the people who have descended from the original 12 tribes of Israelites [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel), and 12 tribes] are the ones to whom the promise was given and that through them salvation would come to all humanity. The genuine Israelites are still the children of promise and thus God's elect. You are right in that those who have come to faith in Christ despite ancestry are the chosen ones to be priests and rulers in the Kingdom of God. All of scripture of the Bible, OT & NT, is based upon what occurs with the Israelites. Remember, much of the scripture that we have in the Canon are written to either Jewish people or to people who are very much aware of Jewish custom and Law and the centrality of Palestine (Land of Israel) to all of history - past, present, future. Is there a Rapture, etc....don't miss the forest for the trees. The central theme of all things must be Christ and him crucified and resurrected. Everything else will fall into place despite all the other things we believe as Christians....what difference does it make if there is a pre-trib rapture or not. If Christ is your Lord there is nothing to worry about.
nia
2010-11-21 16:22:25 UTC
This is so stupid. Who are we to think we are chosen. This is an egoistic desire that separates us from one another. Love one another sounds more accurate.



Sorry Sam, I did not intend to offend you. I am not versed at all on this matter. Even if there are proofs in the Bible of one chosen over the other I will be dissastisfied with the result and I would try to find instead what we can do to all become chosen and free.
2010-11-21 16:34:44 UTC
God clearly repeats throughout the new testament believers in Christ are 'chosen' so yes, the Christians are God's chosen. Here's one verse (I'd be here all night to give you them all)



Ephesians 1:11

In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
?
2010-11-21 16:13:32 UTC
No.



EDIT:



This isn't a discussion either.



Apart from the red text, there is not a single piece of useful or truthful spiritual information in the New Testament.



Everything you know is wrong. You'll figure it out eventually, but not before you make a complete and utter fool of yourself and suffer long in Gehenna.
Cutup
2010-11-21 16:24:08 UTC
They're both Abrahamic religions, and were founded by step brothers. Judaism by Issac and Islam by Ishmael. Through Issacs teachings, Jesus formed Christianity much, much, much later.
Ed
2010-11-21 16:14:45 UTC
I always find it amusing to see religions fight one another for the status of being the "one true religion". It's like watching a group of F students all fighting for the status of who is the biggest class failure...
Boanerge
2010-11-21 16:17:24 UTC
Why do Jehovah's Witnesses go from door to door?



Jehovah's Witnesses from door to door worldwide:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU3oQsyvKI
2010-11-21 16:15:18 UTC
Wrong


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