What would be so awful about offering Creation Science as an elective in public schools?

Question

I have read many things on the internet about how "creationism" is an unthinkable and impossible subject to even consider in science. I don't understand this. The Bible has been prooven to be very accurate, and "Creationism" has fossil records and other things that can make it plausible. Has it been disprooven? If so, then how? And evolution is still just an unprooven theory as well. There are many holes in the theory- such as the missing link, and monkeys still exist today, and most if not all living organisms would not be able to survive random genetic mutations such as the theory evolution suggests... So how is Creationism a non-scientific fairy tale? Just because it suggests the idea that an all powerful God just might exist? Who knows, maybe God created evolution to sculp our world. Would it really be so awful to offer it as an elective in public school? Either offer it, or atleast dont require those who dont like the idea of evolution to take an evolution class. One last question- why would someone want to believe that they are an evolved decendant of a monkey or lizard, rather than believe that they were formed in the image of a loving God?

Please dont yell at me, I am simply currious. And I have already heard that people think creation science is a retarded fairy tale for people who refuse to think hard enough to form a better reason for how the earth came into existance, and they simply make up reasons to support the conclusion. If you can, please either go into greater detail on why and give me a better answer then that, or dont answer at all.

Thank you.

Answer 1

Creationism is not a science. And it is questions like this that make people afraid of this entire topic. If you are proposing that God created the world through evolution, that is not true Creationism. That is something called Theistic Evolution (which scientists are also pretty much afraid of). The proponents of Intelligent Design also are not creationists, and they claim their theory does not automatically mandate God, it just opens the door to the possibility.



Strict evolutionists on the other hand are strict materialists. They believe that everything can be explained by natural causes and there are no metaphysical or spiritual sources of anything. There is no room there for God. Through history scientists have at times falsified the fossil record to find the "missing link". And the more we learn about biochemistry, DNA, and how life happens, the more far-fetched it becomes that pure mechanistic evolution could have sparked life by chance.



For the record, strict Creationism states that the world was created 6000 years ago in 6 literal days. This is entirely contrary to empirical science and to the world we observe with our eyes. And if God somehow intentionally made everything appear older, that is contrary to His character as the author of truth, not deception. There are strict Creationists out there who would deny the evidence of their eyes to make it fit a strict literal interpretation of the Bible's account of creation.



Here are some interesting sources that you can study to develop your beliefs in this area:

the Intelligent Design website

Reasons.org

The movie Expelled with Ben Stein

The Victory of Reason by Rodney Stark

Answer 2

"Creation Science" is no more than an amusing oxymoron.



"The Bible has been prooven[sic] to be very accurate"

By godsters? Yes.

By actual scientists? No.



"And evolution is still just an unprooven[sic] theory as well."

By cretinists? Yes

By actual scientists as well as most of xianity? No.



"such as the missing link"

That was true in the 50s; these days there are more 'links' than they can accurately classify; they call them 'transitional fossils' these days.

Please try to stay abreast with modern terminology.



"rather than believe that they were formed in the image of a loving God?"

You can 'believe' what you ike but it does NOT make it so.

There are people who believe in the existence of all sortsa things (faeries, elves, goblins, ghosts, spirits, angels, etc, including an invisible critter that sits up in the clouds 24/7 watching everything that everyone does) BUT it does NOT make it so.



Theism is a crutch for people too stupid to understand science.



(I think this was some satire - well done; it sucked me in for a moment)

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Answer 3

thank you very much, i know have a deep puncture wound in my leg from having to read your infantile argument for creationism, chalked full of spelling mistakes. Creationism has 0 credible sources of proof, its UNPROVEN, for your god's sake don't you have spell check? The bible is only accurate on some things because it was written by men who made general observations about the world 4000 years ago. No fossils suggest that the earth is less than 6000 years old, since we have rock samples and fossils well beyond 1MYA. I don't think anyone is arguing that it can't be taught as an elective, rather that it should not be required, and that evolution is the current scientific model and that's what they teach in school; back in the beginning of the 20th century the Bohr atomic model was considered to be correct, and that's what they taught in colleges across the nation. That's not the case today, now we use the Atomic Wave Model.

Answer 4

As an elective, I don't see a problem with it. I was taught both as a theory, and did go to public school. Personally I believe in evolution with divine intervention. Not that I'm trying to confuse you any more. Which is what you're talking about when you say God created evoultion. The web site below is a great abstract on the topic.

Answer 5

because if that is allowed, then an elective on every other religion and belief set would also have to be offered, including Muslim, and Wicca, two big hate favs for the haters here on Y!A.



realistically - they have a hard time funding staff to cover the basics - most teachers teach more than one subject anymore - how and where is the funding going to come from to hire these other teachers to teach all those religion and creationism classes? You can't ask the teachers already there to do it - they are already spread too thin. And peopel seem to hate having their taxes raised for schools - most mill levies are voted down,



education is at the BOTTOM of the American list of priorities when it comes to funding, sadly.



So there will be no funding for your electives - they are already cutting arts, music, theater and even sports from schools - they won't be adding new classes.

Answer 6

The concept of creation is the opposite of science, as it is not supported by any scientific evidence, or by the vast majority of individuals in the scientific fields.



We WANT to believe that which confirms what we care about. Some people care more about finding out the truth than pretending we'll live forever, the earth is 6,000 years old, and we are superior to every other animal species and so have dominion over them. But what we WANT to believe has nothing to do with what is actually TRUE.

Answer 7

I don't think The Bible has been proven, in any way, to be "very accurate". However, I agree that Creation should be offered as an elective science course, and I think that Private, Christian-based institutions should have the option of teaching Creation Science.



Public schools, however, are run by governments. There is meant to be a separation of church and state, and so, studies and practices based on religious faith (ALL faiths) should not be required parts of the curriculum. However, I still think that an elective would be appropriate, as would religious clubs, of course.

Answer 8

1, which creation story

2, creationism isn't science, it's beliefs and religion

3, what historical evidence

4, look up the definition of a scientific theory, it means something that is as close to proven as possible, even facts might not be right though.

if everyone said the sky was purple, that'd be a fact, wouldn't be right but it'd be a fact.

5, not all monkeys would have evolved, you evolve because of necessary, it would not be necessary for all monkeys to evolve in the way we did.

6, even if theres the missing link, what are you going to say about lucy and them? and i think they found the missing link anyway..



oh before you say anything

i'm religious. i just believe evolution to be true. ;)

Answer 9

you can believe what ever you want, but if you are going to say something is science you HAVE to support it with evidence. show me your evidence of creation.



it would be bad because it is not science. there is no way you can test it or falsify it (anything that does is merely a "test" by said god or false). you cant make predictions based on it and you cant put it to practice in the real world. you would be providing students with an easy way out because you like it better, not because the evidence substantiates it. in other words, creationism is not science but a myth.



and please, email me your evidence. email me the "holes" in the theory (also just because a theory doesnt explain something doesnt make it false). and email me your definition of a theory. evolution (the change in allele frequency in a population over time) is proven. the "theory of evolution" is the model that explains the diversity of life and the distribution of differences and similarities in living organisms.



edit: do you really want undereducated students deciding what is and is not science? the majority dont care. most high school students dont have a science education above that of general biology and many stop math classes at basic algebra. the majority of students want the "easy" way out. it doesnt matter if that way out is right or wrong.

Answer 10

Because it isn't science.



"The Bible has been proven to be very accurate"

The fact that the writers wrote about actual places does not give evidence to supernatural claims any more than the fact the Harry Potter takes place in London proves that a school for wizards exists there.

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"Has it been disprooven?"

You can't disprove Harry Potter either. That is possibly the weakest argument in favor of the existence of anything.



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"So how is Creationism a non-scientific fairy tale? Just because it suggests the idea that an all powerful God just might exist?"



Because it makes absolute dogmatic claims of the existence of things which have zero supporting evidence.



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"Would it really be so awful to offer it as an elective in public school?"



It would be unconstitutional. That is a pretty bad thing to teach children.



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"dont require those who dont like the idea of evolution to take an evolution class."



Evolution is taught as part of Biology because it is an integral part of Biology. Leaving it out simply promotes willful ignorance of basic subjects of learning. Would you also leave out all astronomical science because Christianity once claimed the heavens were filled with "prefect crystal spheres"?



At some point christians are going to have to come to grips with the fact that one more thing they have fought against has too much supporting evidence to continue fighting it.



One of the best quotes I've heard concerning the subject came from a Russian Orthodox priest that I sat beside on a plane a few years ago. He said "I would be a fool to claim evolution doesn't exist. I can't claim to know why but it does exist".

Answer 11

creationism is not science.





"creation science" is a term used by creationists as a flimsy attempt to get creationism taught in the classroom.



it is a violation of the constitution to teach it, it is anti-american to want to do so.



EDIT: its not a quesiton of "want"- I want to believe i have superpowers and can fly and shoot lighting bolts from my eyes and bed any girl in a threesome with another hot girl that i desiere at will,



but that isn't reality.



EDIT: evolution is proven, it has been observed through the fossil record and in dna tracing so often that it is at this point unquestionable unless you provide some SERIOUS proof.



just like if you were to make a claim that gravity is a flawed theory.



creationism doesn't need to be disproven, as it has never been proven-



it is an unsubstantiated belief based upon an unverified and unsubstantiated writing that no one knows or can provide even an iota of evidence as to the writer.

Answer 12

I am all for religion being taught in school as a social science, not a science class.

I do not subscribe to your idea of creation, will you teach my beliefs also? What about the beliefs of Hindu or Buddhists?



If you believe that God created the earth and all in and around it then great, but you can teach that at church if you so choose.

Answer 13

1. Because there is no evidence for it

2. There is lots of evidence against it

3. It would some religions over others



OK

Here we go

4. Monkeys and humans coexist because we share a common ancestor, remember, monkeys have also been evolving for the millions of years since both lineages have split

5 Actually, the fossil record for human evolution is damned near complete, anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or unaware of the facts

6 True most organisms do not survive mutations, but enough do to power the process of evolution, besides mutations only occur in a tiny percentage of the population of any species. Under the same conditions the species will continue, but those with a beneficial mutation will be more likely to pass their genes on to the next generation, and in some cases will replace the population without that beneficial mutation.

7 People believe in evolution because the evidence is convincing and has nothing to do with which one sounds more pleasing

Answer 14

There is no science in "Creation Science". It is simply bashing and denying science by virtue of rhetorical deception and outright lies. There is no experimental or intellectual basis. It is nothing but religious indoctrination called "science". The promoters of "Scientific Creationism" would ride roughshod over the US Constitution to promote idolatry since they worship Genesis, not God.

Answer 15

Because creationism is not science.



Children are stupid enough, do we really need them to study the rantings of bronze age goat herders too?



Based on your statements about evolution, I am certain you have NO education in the theory at all, so how can you ridicule it and suggest it is on the same level with biblical nonsense?



"or atleast dont require those who dont like the idea of evolution to take an evolution class."



I don't like the idea of imaginary numbers and derivatives, can I elect to skip algebra and calculus?



"One last question- why would someone want to believe that they are an evolved decendant of a monkey or lizard, rather than believe that they were formed in the image of a loving God?"



Because your emotional sensibilities are an incredibly STUPID reason for deciding what is and isn't real.



Why would I want to believe that I would die when I jumped off a building, when instead I could believe that I can fly?

Answer 16

Creationism is the ORIGINAL science and ALL major discoveries of any worth

have been made by creationists.



The main reason for not allowing Creation Science to be taught is that students

would learn the truth and reject the "theory of evolution"



May God bless you as you study His Word



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Answer 17

It is not science.



By which standard do you set to determine which things can be electives or not?



I think they should replace Chemistry class with Alchemy and replace Astronomy class with Astrology. I also personally would like a tarot card reading class I mean if I can skip science class to take tarot card reading I am there.

Answer 18

1)Please show me in what way the Bible has been proved to be accurate.

2)If we allow any non scientific theory in school then we must allow any crackpot idea,here I just made one up,My eyelids have magic powers and created the world.disprove it please.

3)Those who don't like the idea of Evolution would you teach them about gravity,electricity etc??.

Answer 19

Religion is not a function of our government. Creationism is totally a religion.



There isn't a single peer reviewed article in a scientific journal that supports it. Everything that is science is in those journals. The National Academy of Science has flat out said that evolution is a scientific fact.

Answer 20

Frankly, I think religion should be taught in private religious schools if you so desperately want religion taught as science. However, if you would like, I am fine with your child missing out on recess or music so that he/she can take an elective course. I simply don't think the public school should be obligated to offer it.

Answer 21

The only way that would be fair, is if you offer to teach EVERY religion's version of creationism. You can't pick and choose which myths you want children exposed to as "possible facts".

Answer 22

Schools cannot instruct in any given religion. If they're going to teach about one creation story, they need to teach about other creation stories, too.



I have no problem if this were to happen as an elective, but it would be wrong to permit only Christian Creationism.

Answer 23

I am so proud of you for standing up for what you know about God

we have to stand for what,s right whatever may come,and

evolution is a lie of man to take our eyes off God.

Answer 24

Sure! Let's teach all 2,000 creation myths.. and Astrology 101 and the Flat Earth Theory should be given credence as well.

Answer 25

because in school your not allowed to put in religion unless in religious school but if they do put that in they better put in a evolution class to that's longer then a week like in my school

Answer 26

Creationism is not supported by evidence. It is an issue of faith. Faith comes from within and can't be taught.

Answer 27

Because people in the world want to keep God out of our day to day on goings. By the way, "Satan, you are the father". If you believe in Satan, then you have to believe in God, And How can you believe in God without believing that he created the whole world.

Answer 28

"The Bible has been prooven to be very accurate,"



Bullshit.



Science does not deal with the supernatural in any way. Once you start dealing with the supernatural, you are practicing psuedo-science, not real science.

Answer 29

no, thats not necissary.

highschools are for getting your basic 26 credits, college is when we branch out into those kinds of courses,,

otherwise no, and besides, who would even take it??

the religious nutts? and they'd probably fail anyway,,

Answer 30

it would be the same as offering a "magic" class



magic and creation have no place in school.

Answer 31

The Bible is nowhere NEAR accurate

Answer 32

Just don't call it "science" - teach it along with other mythology.

Answer 33

Separation of church and state.

Answer 34

Sure, while we are at it we can teach a class on what happened when all the faeries and gnomes went extinct.

Answer 35

yeah, it's that whole separation of church and state thing.

Answer 36

its simply not within the definition of science.

Answer 37

Cause it's not proven for one. and it violates the US constitution. Get over it.

Answer 38

All Science is theory.

It can't be proven.



Creationism is also a theory, so it should be offered in schools.

Answer 39

kids dont need to be filled with garbage

Answer 40

proven to be accurate my a**....some guy died and then came back from the dead??? like return of the living dead movies...are they accurate??

Answer 41

nothing