Question:
Did Jesus ever say Pray to him and not directly to God? If so, when and where? That means REFERENCES!!!!?
Perry
2013-08-24 19:29:14 UTC
REFERENCES! Please do not answer this question if you cannot give the name of the Book and verse number. I am actually re-posting this question because people only gave their opinion, and no references. The only person that gave a reference from the Bible actually gave a reference with proof that Jesus DIDN"T say that.
Did Jesus ever say Pray to him and not directly to God? If so, when and where?
I grew up hearing this, but I have read the Bible and never found it. Please, don't answer without proof. I'm not asking for an opinion. I am asking for the exact verses when he said you cannot pray directly to God, or that you have to pray to Jesus. I am not Christian (but have respect) so please save the Religious insults.

I believe in the Bible, but I do not believe in people's opinions. There are many denominations because people have DIFFERENT opinions on the meaning and all denominations think they are right. For that reason, I need to actually see it in the Bible. How can I see it if you don't tell me where you saw it? So far in the Bible I have read more against the "pray to Jesus" idea than for it.
Eleven answers:
Truth House
2013-08-24 20:00:04 UTC
I respect where your coming from: I too get sick of asking a well defined question and getting back roundy-round-i think-blaugh-blaugh 'answers'. Allow me to: 1/ agree with previous posters saying that b/c Jesus is God the question isn't as clear as you may first think; there is a ton of Scripture to support His Divinity, but I wont get into it b/c that's not what you ask about .

2/ John 16:23,24 support your pospersonally personaly, do not pray 'to' Jesus but, to The Father "in Jesus' Name". "Name" does not mean a noun/pronoun like a little tag line at the end where folks say ""in Jesus' name". In His name means according to His values, His priority's, His agendas, His will, His purposes, His desires. You appear to be an authentic truth seeker. If so, I can help. Contact me. B/C He does live! Col 1:3-12
Marcion
2013-08-24 20:55:41 UTC
No! Jesus NEVER Did!



John 16:23 - In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.



As you can see, no quotes - majority of Christians base their faith on conjectures and what momma, papa and the pastor says - majority are damn too lazy to read the Bible and the few that does cannot understand what they read because they are in the clutches of SATAN so the Devil will not allow them to see - for example how can someone say Jesus is claiming to be God with "no one comes to the Father except through me"



Jesus himself prayed to the Father in Matthew 26:39 - Yet there are billions of people who say Jesus is the Father! Then they quote John 10:30 which coincidentally came after John 10:29 in which Jesus was quoted to have said "My Father, which gave them me, *is greater than all*; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand". ONE CAN ONLY MARVEL @ THE HOLD OF SATAN ON SOME PEOPLE - They will not be able to see until they are about to leave the World and by then it WILL be TOO LATE!



Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26:39]



Satan must by all means have accomplices in Hell so Satan will not allow most to fathom the truth until it is TOO LATE!
Sas
2013-08-24 19:49:48 UTC
I like your thinking - people's opinions have messed up the Bible teachings in ways that are totally unbelievable

As for your question, Jesus said to pray through him not to him.

If you know your Bible then you know that Adam lost perfection because he didn't do what God asked. Of all the trees in the garden there was only one he wasn't to touch ... not a hard thing to do right? well, he allowed his thinking to be cluttered by Satan (and Eve) and went against God's wishes. So now we all lose out on the direct contact Adam had with God. because we are not perfect we can't just go banging on his door to talk to him, however, God has enabled us to do so through his son - hence people end their prayers with the words "In Jesus name, amen" (or similar) Jesus always stressed that it was only God who answered prayers and in my own studies I have been able to clearly see that God designates a lot of work out to Jesus and the angels, but listening to and answering prayers is something that he does not designate to anyone else.

Matt 6.9 Jesus taught his followers to pray to "our father" John 14.6 tells us that Jesus is the way to Jehovah, hence our prayers are through him. The Bible places no time limit on prayers but does say that heartfelt non repetitive prayers are what Jehovah is seeking. (Why pray from a book when you have the ability to approach the highest being in the universe one on one??)

So the answer (in short) to your question is: Your right, we pray in Jesus name but not to Jesus.
2013-08-24 19:42:11 UTC
Uh..many of us do NOT think the Bible is the sole source of all authority. It has to be interpreted after all. And who do you think picked those books to go into the Bible? By your logic, you should compile the hundreds of Gospels that are not in the Bible and read those.



You have to use Sacred scripture--don't get me wrong, but you MUST also use Sacred tradition--written and oral, as well as secular history, language, context, and the most important--common sense. What you have done is make yourself the sole source of authority when it comes to scripture, and that is wrong. If you have a thousand people reading the Holy Scriptures without any guidance, you will have a thousand different interpretations. Unite to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. The Roman Catholic Church.



God bless.
Gerri
2013-08-24 20:09:40 UTC
No, Jesus never instructed anyone to direct their prayers to him. The teaching of the Trinity is a myth and not a biblical teaching. “The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.” -- New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.

“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.]. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.” -- Encyclopaedia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.
madmoney
2013-08-24 19:38:53 UTC
YES -

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.



1 Timothy 2:5



This verse clearly shows Jesus is our mediator between us and God, so we would pray through him.
Michael K
2013-08-24 19:31:13 UTC
I don't think Jesus ever said to pray to him. However, since it is the belief that Jesus and God are the same, one can make that argument.
JJ
2013-08-24 19:30:16 UTC
Most Christians believe that Jesus and God are one.
2013-08-24 19:30:45 UTC
1) Did Jesus ever say Pray to him and not directly to God?



We don't know if he did or not.

However: it is true that all of the people who pray to Jesus **believe that Jesus IS God** - so the question is moot.





- Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/
Tommiecat
2013-08-24 19:46:55 UTC
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (Matthew 18:20 KJV)



Why would we need to gather together in his name for. Why not the father.
Schmoolie
2013-08-24 19:33:44 UTC
Where two or three gather in my name, there am I also.


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