Question:
can anyone say that they honestly follow the bible word for word??
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:30:46 UTC
i am lead to beleive that to go to heaven you must follow the lord and his word and find it very hard to believe that in this day an age people do, is this true????
22 answers:
Mad Hatter
2006-05-01 07:35:14 UTC
It's impossible to, there are too many contradictions.
Consuming Fire
2006-05-01 07:47:02 UTC
The only thing you need to do to go to heaven is to accept Christ...to repent of your sins and invite Him into your heart. That is salvation. The book of Romans explains it.



However once we do get saved, the way to grow in the Lord is to read the Bible and do what it says (James) and also to pray and follow the Lord. Many people in this day and age don't do these things because we live in a fallen world and sadly so many people, even those who claim to be Christians or who are religious, don't know Jesus personally. So many people see the bible as just a book or God as merely rules, and so many people have never even heard from God personally. But the truth is God is a real living person (not man, but person). He didn't just create us. He loves us with a love greater than we could ever know, and He desires a personal relationship with us. But at the same time, He is a perfect gentleman. He will not do anything, including reveal himself personally to us, unless we open our hearts and invite him to do so. But when we do it's awesome beyond words! If we will allow Him, He will fill our hearts with such a love and passion for Him that we will want to read the bible and follow it all. We will be starving for His word and knowledge and He will give it to us. It is He, not us, who can change our lives, and it is the most awesome thing in the world!
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2016-11-13 09:37:41 UTC
If i think in an all effective God then i think he can safeguard his be conscious. The Bible to me change into written very comparable to a secretary taking a letter from her boss. God informed the authors by ability of the Holy Spirit what to write down so that they are nevertheless his words. i think contained in the Bible because the numerous issues i do study about it guy couldn't have finished. The interrelations between the books, the prophecies, and the teachings merely look to assert very God to me. As for judgment of others, the Bible must be taken as an entire. It does say choose no longer lest you be judged, yet besides says all will be judged, and choose righteous judgment. To me meaning do not choose by making use of my criteria yet by making use of God's. I understand why Atheists believe what they do having change right into a Christian in my 1930s, yet are you able to fault me for expressing my situation they could be incorrect. all of us is non secular, even Atheists because faith is fairly no longer something even if the beliefs someone lives their existence by making use of. I actual have a thirty 365 days old step son who's Atheist yet i know he has researched many faiths and that i'll settle for that. finally i'm a Baptist with an organization concept in soul liberty. i received't believe what you assert yet I preserve your accurate to assert it. As for contradictions contained in the Bible please record some. i received't know the answer, yet i'm continually keen to study.
megwill♥♫
2006-05-01 07:35:57 UTC
Do you know the original text of bible are not English? And they are selected from some 30+ books?



Will there by translation error, intentional or unintentional by someone along the way?



Ther is a possibility. Not advisable to follow word for word. Think for yourself and behave in what you believe and not what others say.
Sorrow_and_Bliss
2006-05-01 07:35:24 UTC
Nobody follows it word for word until you consider the fact that the Bible itself made provision for sin, repentance, and forgiveness. So when someone sins, all they have to do is follow the Bible's words on what to do to come back to God. That is to turn to God with a whole heart and seek to do better. When this is done, the sins become as if they never occurred. One has followed a commandment (that of repentance) in place of the commandment they had broken.
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:33:45 UTC
I follow the Bible- it is Holy. But we are human, and are imperfect- so none of us never sin. The important thing is to repent.



Why do you find it hard to believe people follow God's word today?
Bliss
2006-05-01 07:42:31 UTC
The only group of people who can honestly say they follow the morals and teachings of the bible are Jehovah's Witnesses.
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:37:12 UTC
I know I try, and I go to a church with people I've known for years who really do their best to know the Word and live by it.



Of course, everyone fails at times, but "the righteous man falls seven times, and rises up again." The key is repenting, and getting up to try again. "Be not weary in well doing, for in due season we will reap if we do not faint."
ddsash1990
2006-05-01 07:36:13 UTC
It is very hard, but not impossible! Romans 12:2-Do not conform any longer to the patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is.

God tells us to be in the world but not of it. If you have anymore questions e-mail me at ddsash1990@yahoo.com!
darkSPY
2006-05-01 07:41:06 UTC
Yes, absolutely.. everytime I fart I recite:



"I will drive the northern army far from you, pushing it into a parched and barren land, with its front columns going into the eastern sea and those in the rear into the western sea. And its stench will go up; its smell will rise." Surely he has done great things."
mainwoolly
2006-05-01 07:35:28 UTC
Just believe that the world is flat. Heaven is up above the flat earth and hell is below (its not Australia down there, the world is flat remember).



If you can swallow that load of cobblers you will go up to heaven.....if you refuse to believe it you will go down to Australia....erm..I mean hell.
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:34:40 UTC
I have never ever ever ever met one single person who will ever go to heaven. My neighbour who is as religious as it gets, thought she would , I saw one evening on her way out...make up ...Jewellery...fine clothes surely you are having pride in yourself says I ...the bible tells you not to do that..........errrrrr no answer from her on that one. nuff sed
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:40:08 UTC
Take some crack and you'll recite something close to the bible.
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:33:40 UTC
You don't know any Christians do you? Get into church and find out what it's about.
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:34:16 UTC
lets have a contest and see how many rules we can break
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:33:42 UTC
i haven't seen anybody stoning adulterers lately... (I have seen adultering stoners though)
anonymous
2006-05-01 07:44:55 UTC
If they did, they would not need Jesus. No one can say that.
evensout
2006-05-01 07:34:56 UTC
sure: they'd probably be delusional, but...
river_runs
2006-05-01 07:32:53 UTC
be real - you're joking right?
jodie_m
2006-05-01 07:34:51 UTC
nobody does
WorldWatch
2006-05-01 07:36:54 UTC
Mr. Yusuf Estes can tell you about this as follows







First of all, let me begin by saying that I am a former Christian, preacher, minister of music and organist for a long number of years in the Disciples of Christ Church, Baptist, Methodist churches and The Church of God. I totally and completely accepted the teachings and concepts of salvation within the Christian church many years ago. My parents were very religious and their parents were also very instrumental in building and supporting the work of the church throughout their entire lives. So, it is not my aim to discredit the efforts of those who came before me whatsoever. This is totally the opposite of my purpose in this presentation.



Second, I am still most active in the spreading of the True Word of God as much as HE will allow me to be. I have found that some of the teachings of the translations of the Bible contain errors and mistakes which must be examined and thought through so as to bring about a better understanding for both the Christians and the non-Christians, especially those of the Muslim (Islam) faith.



Third, I am presently an institutional chaplain and I hold the position of Delegate to the United Nations Peace Conference for the World's Religious Leaders. As such I hold all the leaders of other religions in proper regard and with due respect. Many of my associates and co-workers are from the Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Hindu faiths.



Therefore, it is not my intention to cause people to loose their belief in God, His divinely-inspired prophets and messengers, or the holy scriptures that they brought. I humbly request all who read and study these pages to be considerate of those who are committed to believe in the scriptures of the Bible and not use this material as a tool for attacking and harming the faiths of others. The opposite is what I request the reader to do. Please take time to learn the materials and then share in a positive light with those whom you honestly feel can handle a discussion on this topic without being confrontational.



May Almighty God guide all of us the all truth, amen.



An examination of the Bible is necessary today because of the many questions being raised by religious people of all circles, including Jews and Christians, as to its inconsistency with contemporary church teachings as well as its inconsistency within itself.



Today, there are thousands of different versions of the Bible in circulation and the transcript has been freely translated from one language to another numerous times. According to Bible scholars themselves, the original scripture is no longer extant. It is nowhere to be found. We have no idea if what we are reading and implementing into our lives and belief system is, indeed, God's teaching.



Muslims believe in the same Omnipotent, All-powerful, Unseen God that the Jews have believed in since Adam. However, unlike the Jews, Muslims join in with the Christians by also believing in Jesus as the "Christ"; "Messiah"; "Logos"; and "Miraculous Conception"; as well as all the previous Biblical prophets and their original scriptures that they brought. Muslims also believe that God is merciful and just to His creatures. So, they deny the concept of the 'Original Sin' [all children are born into the sins of their parents] and the 'Sacrificial Lamb' concept which requires the blood of Jesus, peace be upon him, to atone for the sins of the sinners. This being the case, how can Muslims say that God is just and that His revelation, the Bible, is corrupted? Where is it in God's great plan that His revelation loses all credibility? These are all very excellent questions.



It is a known fact that Jesus was regarded by his followers as a prophet and that what he preached was written down into physical form by his disciples. However, God placed the responsibility on humans to preserve the integrity of this message over time. When the people failed in their duty, it was made necessary for the Holy Qur'an to come into existence in order to correct the teachings that were changed. By God's mercy He revealed His will once again to Muhammad over 600 years later, and his companions similarly wrote it down and compiled it into what became known as The Holy Qur'an. By God's justice He promised that He would preserve it therefore making it the last revelation to humanity. Today an actual seventh century Qur'an, complete and intact, is on display in a museum in Istanbul, Turkey. I just returned from a trip to Istanbul, Turkey and have information about it on this web site:



http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/events/



Amazing Revelation

Strange as it may seem I came across astonishing information By Allah's Mercy I have learned the Arabic language sufficient enough to read the Holy Quran in the original language. I have found the answers to problems of understanding meanings of scriptures in the Bible while studying the Holy Quran.



Every Arabic Qur'an in the world today is, letter for letter, identical to this ancient script. Due to this preservation, the Quran exists today exactly as it did over 1,400 year ago in a language which is still alive today. I have found the Qur'an's teachings to be quite clear, consistent, and practical for application even in today's so called "modern world."



The whole idea behind this work is to present the clear truth about the Bible, the Quran and the two religions of Islam and Christianity. If you do not have a good Bible, it would be a good idea to acquire at least two. Namely, the King James Version (based on the 1611 AD edition) and the Revised Standard Version (published in 1953). As you go through the many Biblical inconsistencies which I will be referring to in this material, please refer back to your Bible and examine it objectively.



Do not let pride, ego, bias or prejudice affect your judgment as you review the pages. If you do not free your mind and heart from these obstructions, then it will be near to impossible to see the light of truth to which we will be referring so often.



Bear in mind also, that if a book were revealed from Almighty God to the humans, it should not have even a single mistake or error anywhere in it. Otherwise, it would indicate that it is not from a Perfect God, but rather from an imperfect human.



While traveling around the world, I have found that many Jews and Christians are opening their eyes to this fact and are willfully accepting Islam and the Last and Final Testament of Almighty God (the Holy Quran) wholeheartedly.



We have to examine the facts in order to be able to better understand the value of this information on our society today. One statement that is clear and repeated often these days is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today and the largest religion in the world today with over 1.5 billion souls claiming to be Muslims. The word of God has been preserved in the Holy Qur'an and has been changed in the Bible. So, I am merely attempting to produce material which will help to clarify the matter. Due to the many years of traditional religious teachings and upbringing, it may be very difficult for you to accept this. If you are sincere in your heart and pray to the One Who Created you in the first place, then it will be totally up to Him to Guide you to all truth, not me. Islam is a complete Way of Life and it is based on total surrender to Almighty God, submission to Him in complete obedience and sincerity and in peace.



Details About Islam:

http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/islam/



Free Quran (download)

http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/downloads/noblequran.exe



For comparison of Holy Quran:

http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/quran.htm

Chapter 1

"Is the King James Version the Actual Bible?"

Chapter 2

"Are There Contradictions in the Bible?"

Chapter 3

"Who is the God of the Bible?"

Chapter 4

"Does the Bible Say 'Jesus is God'?"

Chapter 5

"What Does it all Mean?"

Chapter 6

"What to do Now?"



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Bible - A Closer Look!

by Yusuf Estes - former Christian - Muslim Chaplain

[Revised July 7, 2004]

Chapter 1 "Is 'King James' Version the Actual Bible?"





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Note: The word "Bible" comes from the Koine Greek word "biblios" and it simply means the same as the word "book" in English. Nowhere in the Bible do we find the word "Bible." However, it is interesting to note the word "kitab" (Bible in Arabic) appears many times in the Quran, referring to the Bible and the People of the Book (Jews and Christians).



Let me begin by saying that the King James "version" of the Bible is in English. There was no English language until the year 1066 AD when the Normans invaded the Saxxons. Therefore the English Bible cannot be anything like what any of the prophets spoke or understood, as it did not exist in their times.



Next, my grandfather, who was a devout and wonderful Christian man gave a gift of the Holy Bible to my sisters and I almost fifty years ago. It was an authorized version of the Bible, being The Revised Standard Version of the Bible which was a revised version of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a version of the King James Version, published in 1611, which was revised and corrected for the first time in 1612, etc. I was very much impressed with the easier to read text and clarification of some of the wording which was presented in this version and began to read the Bible on a daily basis for hours at a time. The removal of the Elizabethton English terms, phrases and expressions made the Bible a more accessible and understandable and intimate Book for me. But that is not all the RSV did for me and many others, as well.



My love and respect for the Word of God increased the more that I spent time reading and understanding the message. The Bible became my most prized and respected book in my life. I often turned to it throughout the rest of my life in times of joy, happiness, sadness, troubles and pain. It was my compass, my road map, my weather vane and my friend. However, there were still some problems with this IMPROVED VERSION of the Holy Bible. It began to disturb and concern me to the extent that I made consultation with my father, who was also an ordained minister and student of the Bible since childhood. Based on his research and background in the origin and sources for modern day Christianity, I began to go deeper into the problems which had plagued my thinking and faith since childhood.



I prayed to Almighty God and then found the answers to some of the problems were spelled out very clearly in the very beginning of the exact same book. I have that book lying in front of me on my desk as I write this article and would like to quote to you from some of the PREFACE page iii and iv:



"The King James Version has with good reason been termed 'the noblest monument of English prose.' Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration of 'its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of express... the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.' It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt."



"Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for a revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bibles was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901."



"Because of the unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928 this copyright was acquired by the International Council of Religious Education, and thus passed into the ownership of the churches of the United States and Canada which were associated in this Council through their boards of education and publication."



".... decision was reached that there is need for a thorough revision of the version of 1901..""In 1937 the revision was authorized by vote of the Council."



"Thirty-two scholars have served as members of the Committee charged with making the revision, and they have secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co-operating denominations."



"Each section has submitted its work to the scrutiny of the members of the charter of the Committee requires that all changes be agreed upon by a two-thirds vote of the total membership of the Committee."



"The problem of establishing the correct Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Old testament is very different from the corresponding problem in the New Testament."



"For the New Testament we have a large number of Greek manuscripts, preserving many variant forms of the text. Some of them were made only two or three centuries later than the original composition of the books."



"For the Old Testament only late manuscripts survive, all (with the exception of the Dead Sea Texts of Isaiah and Habakkuk and some fragments of other books) based on a standardized form of the text established many centuries after the books were written."



"The present revision is based on the consonantal Hebrew and Aramaic text as fixed early in the Christian era and revised by Jewish scholars (the 'Masoretes') of the sixth to ninth centuries. The vowel signs, which were added by the Masoretes, are accepted also in the main, but where a more probable and convincing reading can be obtained by assuming different vowels, this has been done."



"... vowel points are less ancient and [less] reliable than the consonants."



"Departures from the consonantal text of the best manuscripts have been made only where it seems clear that errors in copying had been made before the text was standardized."



"Most of the corrections adopted are based on the ancient versions [translations into Greek Aramaic, Syriac, and Latin], which were made before the time of the Masoretic revision and therefore reflect earlier forms of the text."



"Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text."



"Many difficulties and obscurities, of course, remain."



"Where the choice between two meanings is particularly difficult or doubtful, we have given an alternative rendering in a footnote."



"If in the judgment of the Committee the meaning of a passage is quite uncertain or obscure, either because of corruption in the text or because of the inadequacy of our present knowledge of the language, that fact is indicated by a note."



"It should not be assumed, however, that the Committee was entirely sure or unanimous concerning every rendering not so indicated."



"To record all minority views was obviously out of the question."



"The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying."



"It was essentially the Greek text of the New Testament as edited by Beza, 1589, who closely followed that published by Erasmus, 1516-1535, which was based upon a few medieval manuscripts."



"The earliest and best of the eight manuscripts which Erasmus consulted was from the tenth century, and [yet] he made the least use of it because it differed most from the commonly received text; Beza had access to two manuscripts of great value, dating from the fifth and sixth centuries, but he made very little use of them because they differed from the text published by Erasmus."



"We now possess many more ancient manuscripts of the new Testament, and are far better equipped to seek to recover the original wording of the Greek text. The evidence for the text of the books of the New Testament is better that for any other ancient book, both in the number of extant manuscripts and in the nearness of the date of some of these manuscripts to the date when the book was originally written."



The words are in plain English. The second paragraph says it all, "Yet, the King James Version has grave defects.



Therefore, we must conclude the "King James Version" is NOT the Actual Bible sent by God to mankind.



(Please continue to chapter 2 - "Are There Contradictions in the Bible?")



Chapter 1

"Is the King James Version the Actual Bible?"

Chapter 2

"Are There Contradictions in the Bible?"

Chapter 3

"Who is the God of the Bible?"

Chapter 4

"Does the Bible Say 'Jesus is God'?"

Chapter 5

"What Does it all Mean?"

Chapter 6

"What to do Now?"



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Chapter 2 "Contradictions in the Bible?"





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First and foremost, let me be perfectly clear on the position of Muslims regarding the authenticity of the Holy Bible. It is a condition of faith for believers to believe in all of God's Books and scripture as stipulated by the Quran, the Last and Final Testament from Almighty God to mankind, that the previous scriptures, including of course the Old Testament (Arabic = Torah), the Psalms (Arabic = Zabur) and the New Testament (Arabic = Injeel) were all from Almighty God (Arabic = Allah) in their original form. The beginning verses of the Quran clearly spell out the position of the 'Believer' with regard to these scriptures. As the translation from Arabic may be rendered regarding the conditions of believers:



"And they (believers) believe in what is being sent down to you (Muhammad, peace be upon him) and they believe in what has been sent down before (previous Holy scriptures to Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, and of course Jesus, peace be upon them all)." [Quran 2:2,3]



Therefore, it must be established that Muslims do accept that Almighty Allah did send down many Holy Books and he did allow the people to alter, change, delete and make additions to these Books, and as such, they can not longer be considered as the "Word of God" in their present condition. This is something immediately agreed upon by all qualified Biblical scholars.



Incidentally, there is sufficient evidence in the Quran to prove the remainder of the Bible still contains many of the original teachings and sayings of the prophets to whom the various scriptures were revealed.



From the previous chapter we can easily determine that the original source of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments have been lost and are no longer extant in any language. What has remained and been referred to for translations, is in fact nothing more than old copies that do not necessarily agree with each other and there does exist in them obvious corruption in additions and deletions. Additionally, they are not complete and do not have full agreement of the scholars of the Bible as to their meanings.



Just to offer a few of the many contradictions and errors of that which is being presented as the "Word of God" in the Bible I would like to quote the research of scholars of the Bible:



VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THEMSELVES





Genesis 6:3 and Genesis 11:11 - Life limited to 120 years?

Genesis 32:30 and Exodus 33:20 - Jacob's life was preserved?

Exodus 4:22 and Jeremiah 31:9 - Who was God's firstborn?

Numbers 23:19 and Genesis 6:6-7 - Does God repent or not?

2 Samuel 6:23 and 2 Samuel 21:8 - Did Michael have children?

2 Samuel 8:4 and 1 Chronicles 18:4 - 700 or 7000 horsemen?

2 Samuel 8:9-10 and 1 Chronicles 18:9-10 - Toi or Tou? Hadadezer or Hadarezer? Joram or Hadoram?

2 Samuel 10:18 and 1 Chronicles 19:18 - 700 or 7000 charioteers? 40,000 horsemen or footmen? Captain's name?

2 Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1 - Who provoked David?

2 Samuel 24:9 and 1 Chronicles 21:5 - 800,000 or 100,000?

2 Samuel 24:13 and 1 Chronicles 21:11-12 - 7 or 3 years?

1 Kings 4:26 and 2 Chronicles 9:25 - 40,000 or 4,000 stalls?

1 Kings 5:15-16 and 2 Chronicles 2:2 - 3300 or 3600?

1 Kings 7:26 and 2 Chronicles 4:5 - 2000 or 3000 baths?

2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 - 22 or 42 years old?

2 Kings 24:8 and 2 Chronicles 36:9 - 18 or 8 years old? 3 months or 3 months and 10 days?

Ezra 2:65 and Nehemiah 7:67 - 200 or 245 singers?

Matthew 1:12 and Luke 3:27 - Who was Salathiel's father?

Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 - Who was Joseph's father?

Matthew 9:18 and Mark 5:22-23 - Dead or not?

Matthew 10:5-10 and Mark 6:7-8 - Bring a staff or not?

Matthew 15:21-22 and Mark 7:24-26 - The woman was of Canaan or Greece?

Matthew 20:29-30 and Mark 10:46-47 - One or two beggars?

Matthew 21:1-2 and Mark 11:1-2 - What happened to the ***?

Matthew 26:74-75 and Mark 14:72 - Before the cock crow once or twice?

Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 - How did Judas die?

John 3:16 and Psalms 2:7 - Only begotten son?

John 5:31 and John 8:14 - Was Jesus' record true or not?



VERSES THAT CONTRADICT THE TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE AND/OR THE DIVINITY OF JESUS





Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16 - No one saw God.

Isaiah 42:8 - Do not praise and worship images.

Isaiah 45:1 - "Anointed" does not mean "God".

Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44 - Jesus prayed.

Matthew 24:36 - Jesus was not all-knowing.

Matthew 26:39 - Jesus and God had different wills.

Matthew 28:18 - All power was given to Jesus.

Mark 1:35, 6:46, 14:35-36 - Jesus prayed.

Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19 - Jesus denied divinity.

Mark 12:28-29 - God is one.

Mark 13:32 - Jesus was not all-knowing.

Mark 16:19 and Luke 22:69 - Jesus at the right hand of God.

Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41 - Jesus prayed.

Luke 4:18, 9:48, 10:16 - Jesus was from God.

Luke 7:16, 13:33, 24:18-19 - Jesus was a prophet.

Luke 10:21 - Jesus gave thanks.

Luke 23:46 - The spirit of Jesus was commended to God.

John 4:19 - Jesus was a prophet.

John 4:23-24 - Worship in spirit and truth.

John 14:28 - One was greater than the other.

John 5:19, 5:30, 7:28, 8:28 - Jesus was helpless.

John 5:20 - The Father showed the son.

John 5:30 and 6:38 - Jesus and God had different wills.

John 5:31-32 - Jesus' witness was not true.

John 6:11 and 11:41-42 - Jesus gave thanks.

John 6:32 - The Father was the provider, not the son.

John 7:29, 16:5, 16:28 - Jesus was from God.

John 7:16, 12:49, 14:24, 17:14 - Jesus' words were not his.

John 8:42 - Jesus did not come of himself.

John 10:29 - "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all."

John 14:1 - Jesus said, "...believe also in me."

John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15 - Jesus prayed.

John 14:31 and 15:10 - Jesus followed commands.

John 17:6-8 - "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me."

John 20:17 - Jesus had a god.

Acts 2:22 - Jesus was "a man approved of God."

Romans 8:34 - Jesus was an intercessor.

1 Timothy 2:5 - Jesus was the mediator between God and humans.



Incidentally, these are really only some selections of contradictions and inaccuracies found in the modern versions of the Bible. There are many more but for the sake of time and space we have limited ourselves to those listed above.



Again I would like to repeat, the Muslim must believe in all original texts coming from Almighty God. The only subject being discussed here is whether or not the Bible being offered today in the English language is in fact, the real "Bible".



Chapter 1

"Is the King James Version the Actual Bible?"

Chapter 2

"Are There Contradictions in the Bible?"

Chapter 3

"Who is the God of the Bible?"

Chapter 4

"Does the Bible Say 'Jesus is God'?"

Chapter 5

"What Does it all Mean?"

Chapter 6

"What to do Now?"



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Chapter 3 "Who is the God of the Bible?"





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"ONE" - SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LITERALLY

Mark 10:6-9 and John 14:20, 15:1-7, 17:11, 17:18-23, 17:26

There are many verses in the Bible that speak of Jesus and God as being "one".

But does this necessarily mean that Jesus is God? If you read the six selections above then you will see that we cannot take the word "one" so literally. If we do, then we are God, as Jesus said, "...they also may be one in us" and "...they may be one, even as we are one." What the Bible means when it says that Jesus is "one" with God is that he is extremely close to god, "as if" they are one. John 17:18-23 tells how we normal human beings can attain this "oneness" (or "closeness") with God by being "sanctified through the truth." Aside from this, neither the word "trinity" appears anywhere in the Bible nor any explanation of such a thing.



"LORD" DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN "GOD"

Matthew 18:23-34, Luke 19:11-21, and John 20:26-29

Many of Jesus' disciples referred to Jesus as "Lord". Even Jesus himself said that he is their Lord. But does this mean that he is their God? If you read the three short stories above then you will realize that back in the Biblical time period most servants referred to their masters as "lord". This was a common practice because it showed honor and respect for a person of such high stature.



"LORD" - A Lofty Title

Even today in many countries around the world such as England, "lord" is used in referring to kings, princes, and others who deserve such a lofty title. The disciples and followers of Jesus viewed him as their earthy master and themselves as his servants. He was a man from God who brought them God's message of truth, justice, and peace. Who could be more deserving of the title "lord" than Jesus Christ? Besides, "lord" is defined by Webster in many curious ways.



A few of them are as follows:



1. A man of high rank in a feudal society.

2. A king.

3. A general masculine title of nobility or rank.

4. A man of renowned power.

5. A man who has mastery in a given activity or field.



Commenting on the word's history, Webster says that "lord" literally means 'guardian of the bread'". He continues, "Since such a position would be the dominant one in the household, lord came to denote a man of authority and rank in society at large."



In The Holy Qur'an also uses "lord" in the same context (see 12:23 and 12:41-42). This was simply the language of the time.



The word "lord" does not render the person which it is being applied to as God. If this were the case, then many human beings in the Bible would have to be considered God.



JESUS DENIED DIVINITY



Mark 10:17-18 and Luke 18:18-19

These verses are most indicative of Jesus' position and real nature. The verse in Mark reads:

"As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."



If you analyze this verse in truth you will see that Jesus, quite simply, is not God. If he was, why then would he say "No one is good but God alone"? Jesus did not want to be called "good" because he was not God. That title, as Jesus admits, belongs to none but God.



This subject was actually a part of another book that I have been in the process of writing for a number of years. Considering the fact that I may never finish it, I have taken the liberty to put some of it down on paper and then compared it to findings of other Christian preachers who have come to Islam and you can read that online at:



http://www.IslamTomorrow.com/bible/son_of_who.asp



CONCLUSION

If all of this has confused you it's probably because you've been trying to justify your belief in the Trinity. To believe in the Trinity goes against all of the teachings of Jesus, as well as the Bible. This is because the Trinity is a man-made doctrine that was drawn up several hundred years after Jesus. In this time period different interpretations of the Bible were causing serious debates among Christians. The various interpretations were, undoubtedly, due to human perversion of the original scriptures, poor preservation, and/or shoddy translations. One of the main things being questioned was the nature of God and Jesus. Was Jesus actually God, the son of God, or just a messenger? The Council of Nicea was formed in an attempt to settle this dispute, and the Nicea Creed (the Trinitarian doctrine) was subsequently hammered out.



Again, as I stated in the beginning, this writing has not been complied to put down or destroy the true teachings of the Bible and the Prophets. I would like to quote from a version of the Bible wherein Jesus is represented as saying:

"Think not that I came to destroy the Law [Torah] and the Prophets [prophethood]. I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments [from the Law] and teaches men so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." [Matt. 5:17]



It is wrong to assume that our beliefs are true simply because our teachers, preachers and parents have taught us something passed down to them by generations of forefathers before them. What I would invite all of us to do is to do research for ourselves and learn from reliable sources what is the origin of modern Christianity and what should be our perspective on true belief in general. We can only achieve this with open minds and hearts.



So, may the Great God of the Universe guide us all with His perfect Guidance to all truth, ameen.







It is not at all logical to simply accept a belief system because it was passed down to you by your parents. After all, what if it is not correct? A system for belief should be based upon sound principles of reasoning and understanding, rather than feelings and emotions.



As regards the Muslims treatment of Jesus, peace be upon him, it should be kept in mind that, although they do not hold him to be the 'son of god' in Christianity, he is definitely held in high esteem as great prophet, 'Miraculous birth" and also believe in the same unseen God that he referred to as "Your Lord and my Lord, your God and my God."



Please take time to read the articles on this site. Print them out and share with others. Write to us and visit our website for more information about the world's largest and most compatible religions; Islam and Christianity. Research for yourself the Council of Nicea and the preservation of the Bible, or lack thereof.



More Articles About Bible, Jesus, Trinity, etc. [click]



There are a number of books which are easily accessible written by experts and scholars on the Bible which are very enlightening on this subject:



"Who Wrote the Bible" - Richard Elliott Friedman [excerpts]

"Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls?" - Norman Golb

"The Book of 'J'" - Harold Bloom & David Rosenberg

"The Text of the New Testament - Its Transmission, Corruption, & Restoration" - Bruce M. Metzger



Islam is truly and simply a complete way of life and set of rules taught by all the prophets to mankind, similar to Biblical teachings that were revealed to humankind after Jesus through the last and final prophet Muhammad.

Why? Good Question...



For more details about ISLAM, please visit our web page at:
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2006-05-01 07:34:35 UTC
Grace



What does the bible say about grace. First of all it is through Jesus that grace is given. Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. It is ONLY Christ's death on the cross that all people come to God. Jesus made this very CLEAR that He is the ONLY way. Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. For "christians" to think other wise is not good, lets have a brief look at what Jesus went through. Lk 22:44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. Mt 26:38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.” Mt 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” Mt 26:42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.” Mt 26:44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. We see that Jesus prayed three times. What does the bible say of people who treat this lightly. Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? This is equivalent to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, Because this person is rejecting the only way to be saved. Now back to why Jesus death brings forgiveness and grace. 1Jn 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense-Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1Jn 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. Jesus ALONE is the atoning sacrifice for sins. Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- Eph 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. The works that christians do belongs to God. Eph 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. These works are to build others up for God. Eph 4:12 to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up. 1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. Christians in union with Jesus have the the fullness of Jesus, Col 2:9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, Col 2:10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. Grace is a free gift of God, The works that a christian does are really God's work working in the christian so we have NOTHING to boast about before God. Tit 3:7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. This is the meaning of Eph 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. , then we can say understand the words of God in, 2Co 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 2Co 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.



Salvation,



What does the bible say about salvation. Ephesians 2:4-10,

Eph 2:4,But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, Eph 2:5,made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved. Eph 2:6,And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, As christians we know that our bodies will also be raised from the dead, (1 Corinthians 15:2-23), We have that power to live as Jesus wants us to, Eph 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, Eph 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 2Co 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort. 1Pe 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The new birth that Peter is talking about is something Jesus used to show Nicodemus when Jesus explained salvationin John 3. Jas 1:18 He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Eph 2:7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. Titus 3:4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

Eph 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- Eph 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Notice it says that we are God's workmanship, so the "works" that a christian does, does not belong to the christian but God who works in the christian.

1Co 1:9 God, who has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful. Isa 49:7 This is what the LORD says- the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel-to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers: “Kings will see you and rise up, princes will see and bow down,because of the LORD, who is faithful,the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you.” Isa 52:15 so will he sprinkle many nations,and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand. Heb 10:14 because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. 1Pe 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood: Christians have this guarante that God would consider us blameless when Jesus returns. Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace Eph 1:8 that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. Eph 1:9 And he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, Eph 1:10 to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment-to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. 1Th 3:13 May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones. 1Co 1:8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Heb 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Romans 8:21-23, Ro 8:21, that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God Ro 8:22,We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Ro 8:23 ,Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. The christian will be resurrected with glorfied bodies like Jesus has now in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:25-58). Christians have a gurantee of our resurrection life, Because God has set His ownership on us. 2Co 1:22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 2Co 5:5 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. Eph 1:14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession-to the praise of his glory. The spirit in the christian groans. 2Co 5:2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, 2Co 5:4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

Romans 6:18,22-23, Ro 6:18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Ro 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Ro 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Ro 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned- Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders Gal 6:8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Job 4:8 As I have observed, those who plow evil and those who sow trouble reap it


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