Question:
Can atheists support any of their claims?
kdanley
2011-01-25 01:54:39 UTC
Atheists are good at saying things about religion as if they were proven facts, but can they support their claims? Don't try to say atheists make no claims, because they make many.

1. There is no God.

2. There is no evidence for God.

3. I have seen no evidence for the existence of God.

4. Man created God and/or religion.

5. Atheists are logical, rational, and reasonable.

6. Religious people are illogical.

7. Atheists are educated, but Christians are indoctrinated.

8. Religious people are deluded and/or brainwashed.

I could give more, but you get the picture. Can you give some more atheistic claims and provide support for them?
24 answers:
anonymous
2011-01-25 02:00:00 UTC
atheism = lack of belief in a god/deities



i can support that i dont believe in the existence of any god/deities



im agnostic atheist so they knocked out 1-2. most "evidence" for god's existence is arbitary and not evidence at all. there goes 3. 4 is obvious, religion is a man made concept. man creating god? i imagine a 4 legged centaur like being with halos worn as bracelets, this god's name is hippydom. 4. is cleared.



5 i dispute, i hate meeting a moron, if the moron is atheist, so be it.



6. not at all, many are far more intelligent then ill ever be



7 some atheists like i say in 5, are absolute dumbasses (myself included), certain christian denominations pride themself on being indoctrinated



8 to a degree they are deluded, but arent we all?
Tomo
2011-01-25 10:11:39 UTC
1. There is no God.

- - - I do not state there are no god(s), I lack belief that there are any due to the lack of evidence supporting such a hypothesis.



2. There is no evidence for God.

- - - If you have some empirical evidence for the existence of god(s) please feel free to present it, and demonstrate how this evidence supports your particular god.



3. I have seen no evidence for the existence of God.

- - - See answer 2



4. Man created God and/or religion.

- - - Even a small amount of research into the worlds extant and extinct religions is enough to conclude that this is blindingly obvious.



5. Atheists are logical, rational, and reasonable.

- - - I know I am, I can t speak for all atheists of course. I would not call Raelians logical, rational and reasonable.



6. Religious people are illogical.

- - - For the most part - yes.



7. Atheists are educated, but Christians are indoctrinated.

- - - No I would not claim that in all cases. I wonder what your views on Hindu's, Muslims or Buddhists are.



8. Religious people are deluded and/or brainwashed.

- - - For the most part



"Can you give some more atheistic claims and provide support for them"

- - - It's your strawman, you build it.
puredagnastyevil
2011-01-25 10:09:26 UTC
1. I don't make that claim. I do not accept claims made by people claiming that one or more gods do exist, however.



2. See, you had this kind of backwards. Because this is the reason for my answer to number 1. This tends to stem from people tossing around words like "evidence," without actually addressing what they mean. Like these sentences are NOT evidence. Why? Because they're just me typing out my thoughts. All they could possibly be evidence of, is my thoughts. This is what I'm indicating that people are submitting when they claim to have evidence for a god. And that's also why I don't expect these answers to even sway you... because they're just words.



3. See number 2. It's essentially the same statement.



4. Because gods -always- have the tendency to reflect an individual or group's behavior. That's why a god being reflected upon by an physicist (say, Newton) is completely different than one being described by a farmer... even when it's the same god!



5, 6, 7, 8. Not necessarily.
Iason Ouabache
2011-01-25 10:08:31 UTC
1. Can't prove a negative. I also can't prove that there is no Allah, Vishnu, or FSM but that doesn't mean they exist.



2. You make the claim that there is evidence. It's your job to present the evidence.



3. I haven't seen any yet but I'm open to whatever you have.



4. Anthropology shows that all religion are manmade. Do you have evidence to the contrary?



5. Surveys seem to point that direction.



6. Believing in something without evidence sure seems illogical to me.



7. Most highly educated people do not believe in any gods. There are exceptions both ways, of course.



8. Religion indoctrination does have many of the same characteristic of brainwashing. Especially some of the more loathsome cults.
anonymous
2011-01-25 10:14:41 UTC
1. There is no God. - In the absence of observable evidence, nonexistence should be accepted as likely.



2. There is no evidence for God. - The burden should be on the theist to provide concrete evidence for God.



3. I have seen no evidence for the existence of God. - This is essentially a repetition of the above question. My response remains the same.



4. Man created God and/or religion. - It is almost certain, considering the contradictions and negative symbolism present in any religious scripture.



5. Atheists are logical, rational, and reasonable. - Generalizations should not be made for any group unless it can be understood that there are exceptions. And there are indeed exceptional atheists who are illogical, irrational, and unreasonable in some regard or another. But the rejection of theism on the basis of probable nonexistence and social stagnation does not strike as unreasonable.



6. Religious people are illogical. - As stated above, generalizations should be treated with occasonal exception. In this instance, I could not generalize religious people as being logical or illogical; they are of a broad spectrum, and are oftentimes ignorant of the more liberal concepts that the industrialized societies have adopted. Since there is no way to disprove the existence of a supreme being, unspecified theism is not necessarily irrational. But religious fundamentalism does not have any basis in modern society when it can be understood that many of the more conservative ideals are archaic.



7. Atheists are educated, but Christians are indoctrinated. - Not necessarily, even though there is a correlation between atheism and education. If religion is kept personal and not used as a mechanism for manipulating people, then it has no effect on the surrounding world. Unfortunately, it has served exactly that purpose all too often over the course of human history.



8. Religious people are deluded and/or brainwashed. - Quite possibly. In the absence of certainty, nothing can be assumed.
David:Jesus Saves at Bank of America
2011-01-25 10:11:24 UTC
1. I have no reason to believe one exists especially for the fact he has yet to show up for work.

2. Same as #1

3. Same as #1 and 2

4. Religion and the belief in a god or gods were for the explanation of things in our environment that we were too primitive to explain and would not exist if we never did exist.

5. Yes, yes, and most of the time

6. Yes, depending on how far they go with taking the bible literally

7. Most atheists were indoctrinated into religion just like Christians, but broke free from the restraints that religion puts on education

8. Some religious people arent as deluded or brainwashed as others, but still weak minded.
Freak Of Nurture
2011-01-25 10:00:47 UTC
1. Things are assumed to be negative until the positive is proven, or do you believe that distant stars are made from ice cream, because I just wrote it down?



2. It is the extraordinary claimants responsibility to provide evidence.



3. Would you claim you have seen Ahura Mazda? If not, support your claim.



4. So far, the cultural phenomena of which we know appear to be 'created' by men. Until evidence is presented to suggest otherwise, there is no reason to assume one specific phenomenon is any different.



5. Not all.



6. Not all.



7. Not all.



8. Not all.
Corey
2011-01-25 10:06:56 UTC
1. I've not made that claim.

2. Burden of proof is on you. I'll turn on a dime if anyone presents evidence of a god (not just yours) existing.

3. I haven't.

4. Yes, through examining anthropology, specifically comparative mythology. It's not just your god, all gods are imagined.

5. I've not made that claim.

6. Well, at least about one thing they are, they might be logical generally, though.

7. I've not made that claim.

8. Yes, not being able to tell an imaginary friend is imaginary is delusion.
Nous
2011-01-25 10:05:04 UTC
Academia states that in the absence of proof of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable proof is found - thus god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence.



There is not one single mention of Jesus in the entire Roman record - that is right - not one! At the same time as he was supposed to have been around there were a number of Jews claiming to be the messiah - all of whom are well recorded!



There is not a single contemporary record from any source and even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



He was supposed to have been a huge problem to the Romans and produced wonderful miracles but still not one contemporary record?



Even the bible mentions of him like all other references were not written until many years after his supposed death!



Pilate is recorded in the Roman record as a somewhat lack luster man but no mention of a Jesus, a trial or crucifixion that would surely have been used to make him look brighter!



At best he was an amalgam of those others but almost certainly never existed!



The Roman Emperor Constantine produced the bible and he was a pagan not god! He took the Jewish religion and basing it on the Mithras religion, organized it into Christianity and then into the Holly Roman Catholic Church!! Not in Israel or any of the countries of supposed origin but entirely ITALIAN!



Not one word of it is contemporary with the period and was not written until several hundred years after the period the story is set in!! How did the apostles write their books more than a hundred years after they would have been dead?



What a wonder full disinformation and deception campaign he waged against his Jewish enemies by turning them into his invented Christianity - so good in fact that Christians are still following the deception to this day!



The first person to provide a shred of verifiable evidence for God will become world famous and mega rich!! Ain't happened yet and it never will!



So how does this primitive belief survive? The answer is simple and very down to Earth



Acceptance of a supernatural claim tends to promote cooperative social relationships. This communication demonstrates a willingness to accept, without skepticism, the influence of the speaker in a way similar to a child's acceptance of the influence of a parent. By encouraging this kind of behavior where the most intense social relationships occur it facilitates the lack of skepticism and deters more open minded thinking.



They are christian, Muslim or the other religions depending where they were born simply because they were indoctrinated by their parents as very young children. They will go on to indoctrinate their own children and those will go on to indoctrinate their grandchildren!



Atheists have the intellect to see through the conditioning and escape into the real world!



Agnostics have the intellect to see through the conditioning but lack the courage to throw of the conditioning entirely.



Sadly Christians are still held firmly prisoner by the self perpetuating brainwashing!
Leo D
2011-01-25 10:02:44 UTC
This is all a matter of faith. Atheists have faith in the fact that there is no evidence of a God. Spiritually based people feel the presence of God. It's really a matter of perception. Either you feel it or you don't.
Nani
2011-01-25 14:38:33 UTC
Lift up the name of Jesus. He said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. Why argue if you love them like He does. I hope you will get to know and love lots of atheists. That's where it starts, IMHO.
Basin Central
2011-01-25 10:01:51 UTC
BS. We don't have to prove there is no evidence, just like we don't have to prove there is no teapot orbiting mars.Unless we have proof for the existence of something it is assumed to not exist.
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:55:27 UTC
Guess what.....you people all believe in God for selfish reasons.....want me to elaborate??? Here are the reasons -



1. Looking up to an imaginary friend for consolation since you all can't face reality



2. Selfishly wanting eternal life in heaven (haha a dream that'll never come true with or without taking into consideration the selfish ulterior motive)



3. Fear of hell or punishment and fear of unknown and life after death



4. Wanting to have company (pathetic lonely cowards) and consolation



5. Wanting to feel 'special' by having a relationship with supposedly an all mighty being



6. Wanting to seek 'attention' from supposedly a mighty all omniscient etc etc creator



TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE - If God created you for love then that's stupid cos God is perfect and doesn't need TO BE LOVED and if he does want love then he isn't perfect (a perfect being doesn't need or want to be loved) then your GOD isn't God anymore............and if he did create you all so that you could love him then again thats stupid since a perfect being doesn't need or want to be loved, HE WOULDN'T HAVE CREATED YOU ALL at all and for AMUSEMENT YOU SAY? haha again a perfect being doesn't want or need amusement so stupid donkeys...............
anonymous
2011-01-25 10:02:01 UTC
i agree with identity chris. and can christians give evidence that there is a god(i dont think so)
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:58:33 UTC
For "There is no God." and pretty much everything along that path...



There is no way to prove something is inexistent unless you can prove it exists.

On the other hand, you cannot claim something exists without proof.
Bored now
2011-01-25 10:02:19 UTC
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. End of story.
anonymous
2011-01-25 10:01:06 UTC
QUOTE: "I have seen no evidence for the existence of God."



That's the only one they might be able to establish, and even then they are telling you no more than their subjective experience.





QUOTE: "Atheists are logical, rational, and reasonable."



They missed their vocations as comedians, because that one would have 'em rolling in the aisles.
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:57:13 UTC
Yeh, they have to retrieve a golden ball from the clams, but they are underwater so it makes it hard
Bastion 怌A怍
2011-01-25 10:47:48 UTC
I don't make these claims.
anonymous
2011-01-25 10:00:21 UTC
1.- Check

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7.- Check

8.- Check

There you go...
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:55:31 UTC
I like your list.



I have the right to criticize your religion, what are you going to do about it?
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:57:18 UTC
They certainly cannot prove anything false. They are the ones with the veil over their eyes so to speak, the ones who are spiritually blind because they chose to be. The answers they need are in the word of God which they don't believe.
anonymous
2011-01-25 09:57:07 UTC
Why should we? You're the one with the dodgy stories.
Bill
2011-01-25 09:57:24 UTC
Are you for real


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