Question:
The Watchtower accuses other religions of sexual abuse, but hide things like this from people.?
monno
2008-01-06 10:47:28 UTC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/

What do you think, considering that there have been over 20,000 allegations of sex abuse against children, relating to the JWs. over the last 10 years (Count was 7 years ago).
Twenty answers:
lisawood2004
2008-01-06 10:53:33 UTC
The Watchtower along with all other "religions" will be exposed for what they are....eventually.
lilmissdisorganised
2008-01-06 10:55:34 UTC
how is that hidden? You've just been able to give us a link to it. Maybe they feel responsible for not ensuring that this couldn't happen? They are not required to do background checks on members of the congregation. The same as most other religions i should imagine. Sadly, most perverts are clever enough to gain access to their victims in many ways. Not just this.



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I note the use of the word 'allegedly' throughout this report.

Could you perhaps show me some examples of them singling out other denominations?



Take a look at all the fighting and hatred in the world around you. Can you believe that this is actually influenced by any loving god? Think about it.
Ish Var Lan Salinger
2008-01-06 18:17:02 UTC
Cute rant.



I would love to see proof of your claims that the Watchtower accuses other religions of sexual abuse.



I know of very few Religions that teach sexual abuse.



The fact that bad things happen is a matter of public and Biblical record. Repeatedly those in the congregation are reminded to be watchful. We have published many articles, publicly availible, on how to strive to protect children.
2008-01-06 11:03:40 UTC
*** w97 1/1 p. 29 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked ***



For one thing, an elder must be “self-controlled.” (Titus 1:8) True, none of us have perfect self-control. (Romans 7:21-25) But a dedicated adult Christian who falls into the sin of child sexual abuse reveals an unnatural fleshly weakness. Experience has shown that such an adult may well molest other children. True, not every child molester repeats the sin, but many do. And the congregation cannot read hearts to tell who is and who is not liable to molest children again. (Jeremiah 17:9) Hence, Paul’s counsel to Timothy applies with special force in the case of baptized adults who have molested children: “Never lay your hands hastily upon any man; neither be a sharer in the sins of others.” (1 Timothy 5:22) For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service.—Compare the principle at Exodus 21:28, 29.



Some may ask, ‘Have not some committed other types of sin and apparently repented, only to repeat their sin later?’ Yes, that has happened, but there are other factors to consider. If, for example, an individual makes immoral advances to another adult, the adult should be able to resist his or her advances. Children are much easier to deceive, confuse, or terrorize. The Bible speaks of a child’s lack of wisdom. (Proverbs 22:15; 1 Corinthians 13:11) Jesus used children as an example of humble innocence. (Matthew 18:4; Luke 18:16, 17) The innocence of a child includes a complete lack of experience. Most children are open, eager to please, and thus vulnerable to abuse by a scheming adult whom they know and trust. Therefore, the congregation has a responsibility before Jehovah to protect its children.



Well-trained children learn to obey and honor their parents, the elders, and other adults. (Ephesians 6:1, 2; 1 Timothy 5:1, 2; Hebrews 13:7) It would be a shocking perversion if one of these authority figures were to misuse that child’s innocent trust so as to seduce or force him or her to submit to sexual acts. Those who have been sexually molested in this way often struggle for years to overcome the resulting emotional trauma. Hence, a child molester is subject to severe congregational discipline and restrictions. It is not his status as an authority figure that should be of concern but, rather, the unblemished purity of the congregation.—1 Corinthians 5:6; 2 Peter 3:14.



If a child molester sincerely repents, he will recognize the wisdom of applying Bible principles. If he truly learns to abhor what is wicked, he will despise what he did and struggle to avoid repeating his sin. (Proverbs 8:13; Romans 12:9) Further, he will surely thank Jehovah for the greatness of His love, as a result of which a repentant sinner, such as he is, can still worship our holy God and hope to be among “the upright” who will reside on earth forever.—Proverbs 2:21.
Excite
2008-01-06 11:26:09 UTC
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The Watchtower and it’s followers are certainly guilty of this, pointing to the other religions pedophile problems as an evidence of a false religion while at the same time having the same problem* reaching even the upper echelons of their leadership.



In the past, what makes the JW's somewhat different in this matter is that it's individual members at the local level had knowledge who the pedophiles were yet choose not to report them to the goverment.





Not just the Watchtower people but, all the religions have demonstrated that they are morally corrupt.



* hearsay, more per capita than other religions

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DAVID C
2008-01-06 11:18:55 UTC
you have to put these things into context.



The Roman Catholic sex abuse cases - main criticism of the Church and its leadership focused on the failure to act upon information. Most of the victims are young boys, and this equates to about about 4% of all priests {1}. It is fair to theorize that the abuse figures in the Catholic Church are similar to abuse in other institutions such as education.



Take volunteer organizations like the boy scouts, they are just perfect for pedophiles, in the sense that they are just the ideal situation if they can get to a large number of kids, to kind of check out which ones might be the easiest victims.



Of the hundreds of thousands of people who have been scout leaders, only a tiny minority have been charged with abusive behavior.



Like most people, Jehovah's Witnesses find child abuse repugnant. However, In a press release dated November 21, 2007, Jehovah's Witnesses' Office of Public Information stated:



"In the United States, over 80,000 elders currently serve in over 12,300 congregations … During the last 100 years, only eleven elders have been sued for child abuse in thirteen lawsuits filed in the United States; In seven of these lawsuits against the elders, accusations against the Watchtower Society itself were dismissed by the courts"



What that press release fails to mention is that the victims were discouraged from reporting this abuse to the authorities. It was taught that to do so would be dragging the name of their God, Jehovah through the mud. They were told that the matter would be handled internally and that there was no reason to take it outside of the congregation.



Thus they were actually dissuaded from reporting this crime to the police or other authorities upon the threat of being expelled from the congregation and being shunned. This is the down side of every religion, the reputation of the church is too important and it gets covered up. However, that said, the JW are no more prone to Child abuse than any other religion, and the percentage of perverts in thier ranks I would estimate to be the same as any other organisation.



Estimates about child sexual abuse vary, but figures from the Boy Scouts of America and the National Committee for the Prevention of Child Abuse indicate that one in four girls and one in six boys will be sexually abused before age eighteen. "Women from highly religious homes are just as likely to be abused as nonreligious women." According to one study of eighty-nine married Mormon women from "very religious" homes, 26 percent had been sexually abused as children {2}.
2016-10-22 02:04:54 UTC
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2008-01-06 11:00:39 UTC
note to gorgeous - JWs are not Christians - anyway, sadly sexual abuse exists in society no matter who that society is comprised of - Loads of people in different religions are in denial about all sorts of things - it doesn't make abuse any worse because it happens in a religious society but somehow people feel more hurt by it when it happens in a religious context - possibly because religious people purport to be moral, caring, loving etc - people somehow feel more betrayed by the priest who commits these kind of things than they do by the person who works in the bank.... maybe it's something to do with trust and vulnerability........
Lisa of America
2008-01-06 10:52:03 UTC
I think we should not involve ourselves in religions organized by men ..but should immerse ourselves into the religion Jesus put forward as perfect and pure before God



Matthew 1:27
2008-01-06 10:52:00 UTC
Sadly, the publications of many religions, not just JWs, feel that their job is to expose corruption and hypocrisy in OTHER religions but hide it in their own. This is one reason against organized religions in general, and why we should always use our critical faculties in considering anything we hear from clergy or religious publications.
2008-01-06 10:51:22 UTC
Im sure there response will be something to the extent: This is all a conspiracy by satan tand this wicked system of things to lead people away from the "truth".
2008-01-06 10:52:07 UTC
Is it only the Abrahamic religions that attack each other.?



I think it is illuminating that Christians attack other Christians.
David
2008-01-06 11:13:09 UTC
You need to take the Watchtower and put it straight into re-cycling.



The JW's may 'follow' the bible - but they are not Christians.
2008-01-06 10:55:58 UTC
I wouldn't blame the religion, I'd blame the sicko committing the crime...
Ulrika
2008-01-06 10:57:28 UTC
OMG, I did not have any idea. It is a far bigger problem than I ever knew.



They think they are the only true religion.A little bit like all the terrorist claim to be true Muslims.
2008-01-06 10:51:10 UTC
They should try take a look at their own sexual abuse of their own children.
Rosie
2008-01-06 10:51:51 UTC
Oh they're just the same as everybody else, what a crazy world isn't it?
Moo
2008-01-06 10:51:27 UTC
DEVIL DID IT



The best fallback ever.
2008-01-06 10:54:13 UTC
It's appalling, thanks for the information, you can also go to silentlambs.org for more details.
thomas_tutoring2002
2008-01-06 11:47:40 UTC
>>LETS TRY TO play a game of fairness in this tirade of accusations?



>>How about a fairly unbiased presentation by ALLEXPERTS ENCYCLOPEDIA?



http://en.allexperts.com/e/j/je/jehovah's_witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse.htm



**Jehovah's Witnesses and child sex abuse

--"Jehovah's Witnesses, as an organization, have been accused of covering up cases of child molestation committed by their members. The religious group came under scrutiny parallel to the discovery of systematic abuse and cover-ups, most famously, within the Catholic Church in the late 1990s and early 2000s, although other religions had less-noted issues concerning sexual abuse. (See Anglicans in Australia, Unitarian/Universalism, and possibly Greek Orthodox Christians).



In February 2001, Christianity Today printed an article alleging that Jehovah's Witness policies made reporting sexual abuse difficult for members, and did not follow legal norms on the issue. Shortly after, in 2002, Erica Rodriguez filed a suit in the US District Court in Spokane, Washington. Manuel Beliz was convicted of abusing her and was sentenced to eleven years' imprisonment for his crime. In her suit, Rodriguez sought unspecified damages from Beliz for her abuse, and also from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. In 2003, Heidi Meyer alleged that her pleas concerning sexual abuse were dismissed and that this is a widespread problem. [1]



**IN RESPONSE, Jehovah's Witnesses stated their opposition to any form of child abuse. They encourage parents-especially fathers, to take an active role in the proper guidance and protection of their children from pedophiles. They affirmed that the local elders are expected to investigate any accusation of child abuse. Declaring that where child abuse can be proven by their standards (Two witnesses which they interpret Deuteronomy 19:15 and Matthew 18:15-17 to support or a voluntary confession ), and the member is unrepentant, he or she is disfellowshipped (expelled from the religious institution). [2] Some criticize this stand since acts of pedophilia are usually done in private. If the child comes forward, he or she is considered to be only one witness. Since two witnesses are not present no judicial action is taken. However, judicial action can be taken if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same type of wrongdoing. In addition, the Jehovah's Witnesses organization and its adherents have nevertheless faced criticism for leniency on this issue.



William H. Bowen, a critic and former member of the religion, who founded Silent Lambs[3], went so far as to state: "I refuse to support a pedophile refuge mentality that is promoted among bodies of elders around the world. Criminals should be ousted, identified and punished to protect the innocent and give closure to the victim." [4]



**WITNESSES DO NOT ACCEPT (my caps)such charges. They defend themselves by stating that they obey all legal requirements for reporting sex offenders, and that they do discipline and disfellowship (excommunicate) pedophiles. In addition, their policy is that a man who is a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation and that anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed. The Watchtower January 1, 1997 They further state that their procedures have been refined over time. They state that over the years, as they have noted areas where their policies could be strengthened, they have followed through and that they are continuing to refine them. Authorized Site of the Office of Public Information of Jehovah's Witnesses They also vigorously dispute statements that encourage a negative view of an already oft-persecuted religious group.



One common criticism of Jehovah's Witness policy regarding sex abuse is that the victim is encouraged to first report the crime to the elders.



**However, Witnesses' spokesman J. R. Brown said Witnesses are not required to report crimes to elders before calling civil authorities. Victims and their families are free to call police at will, he said, although some don't choose to. Tubbs, Sharon (Aug. 22, 2002), "Spiritual shunning", St. Petersburg Times. Thus the victim may decide to report the crime to civil authorities. The elders are not instructed to encourage or discourage a report to civil authorities, nor do the elders themselves report the crime (though in some cases, elders have suggested to the victims that reporting the case could tarnish the reputation of the organization), even so, the victim and his or her parents have the freedom and the responsibility to take whatever they feel is the best course of action for themselves. [5].However they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country. In addition, the authorized Site of the Office of Public Information of Jehovah's Witnesses states that the elders will report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities if required by law. "The safety of our children is of the utmost importance. We take it very seriously." So concludes an official document on their Public Information page. However, any delays in reporting sex crimes to civil authorities and collection of available evidence can decrease the likelihood of successful prosecution of the accused offender. [6] (PDF format)



The BBC reported on the controversy around Jehovah's Witnesses child abuse in July 2002, in the Panorama program "Suffer the Little Children". The details and transcript are at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2114320.stm.



**In response to the above BBC program, Paul Gillies, spokesman for the Britain branch of Jehovah's Witnesses comments on their official web site: "Sexual abuse of children is not just a terrible sin but also a crime that can leave lasting emotional scars on its victims. Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere abhor the sexual abuse of children and will not protect any perpetrator of such repugnant acts from the consequences of his gross sin."



References

See also

*Roman Catholic Church and child sexual abuse

*Jehovah's Witnesses: Controversial Issues

External links

*Article of Erica Rodriguez's suit

*Jehovah's Witnesses' Response on child abuse, from official site (video)

* Jehovah's Witnesses Official Policy on Child Protection, from official site

* News Articles on Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Abuse

*Robinson, B.A. (2003), "Jehovah's Witnesses and child sex abuse", ReligiousTolerance.org. Retrieved 29 July 2005.

*Vleugel, Rado, "Jehovah's Witnesses & (sexual) child abuse", watchtowerinformationservice.org. Retrieved 29 July 2005.

*"Child Abuse Among JWs", Investigator Magazine, Volume 93.

*Tubbs, Sharon (22 August 2002), "Spiritual shunning", St. Petersburg Times.

*U.S. Department of Justice (September, 2004) "A National Protocol for Sexual Assault Medical Forensic Examinations (Adults/Adolescents)" (PDF format)

*2001 Christianity Today article by Corrie Cutrer



**AS AN ELDER for most of my 40 years in the truth, dealing with child abuse in the 70's through the 90's , THERE WAS NEVER any cover-up with ANYONE involved in such depraved acts.



--We indeed deal severly with ones doing such harm to our children!

========UPDATE #1========

WE TAKE KEEPING our organization as clean as is reasonbly possible >>>>VERY SERIOUSLY, as is noted by the world:



***** "TIME MAGAZINE of Dec. 3, 2007 in the Cover Story "What Makes Us Good/Evil" and under the article:

"WHAT MAKES US MORAL" p. 54 AND under the subheading: "How We Stay Good" p. 58 para 6:



......"Religious believers as diverse as Roman Catholics, Mennonites & Jehovah's Witnesses have practiced their own forms of shunning ---though the banishments may go by names like EXCOMMUNICATION or DISFELLOWSHIPPING. Clubs, social groups andd fraternities, expel undesirable members and the U.S. military retains the threat of discharge as disciplinary too, even grading the punishment as "other than "honorable" or "dishonorable" darkening the mark a former service person must carry for life"



>>>We disfellowship some 40,000-50,000 yearly (past figure) witnesses a year for SEXUAL MISCONDUCT! And thousands more are reproved, publicly or privately, BECAUSE OF true repentence!



>>DO YOU really think we would let the WORST of perverted sex go unpunished?

=========UPDATE #2========

The world even RECOGNIZES how BALANCED & diligent we are in disciplining ANY violators of Jehovah's laws and of our CHILDREN, from the past to the present:



*** w82 4/1 p. 13 Insight on the News

>>“Doing It Right”

--A recent editorial in the Sun of Gainesville, Florida, contrasted the so-called Moral Majority with Jehovah’s Witnesses in their approach to morality. “[The Witness] publication, The Watchtower, provides the instructions—most of them reassertions of long established principles,” noted the Sun. And “the offender who resists ‘loving concern’ is apt to be ‘disfellowshipped,’ which means dismissal from the congregation. . . . The discipline may offend some Americans, but it is entirely proper for Witnesses to enforce their own fellowship rules. It is a voluntary association, and the exit is easy for anybody who wants out.”

>>The editorial observed that, in contrast, the religious Moral Majority politically “seeks to enforce its doctrine not only upon its members—but wants to enact its beliefs as national policy.” In the opinion of the Sun, this mixing of religion and politics is unconstitutional, and therefore the Moral Majority is “doing it wrong and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing it right.”

=======UPDATE # 4======

MORE ON OUR OFFICIAL STAND



"Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection"(http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=africa_middle_east.htm)

>>Child abuse is abhorrent to us. This is in harmony with the principle recorded at Romans 12:9. Even one abused child is one too many. For decades The Watchtower and Awake! have featured articles to educate both Witnesses and the public regarding the importance and the need to protect children from child abuse. Among others, there was the article "Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked!" published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower ; "Help for the Victims of Incest" in the October 1, 1983, Watchtower, "Your Child Is in Danger!", "How Can We Protect Our Children?", and "Prevention in the Home", all in the October 8, 1993, Awake!, as well as "Child Molesting—Every Mother's Nightmare," in the January 22, 1985, Awake!

>>When any one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate. Two elders meet separately with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. If the accused denies the charge, the two elders may arrange for him and the victim to restate their position in each other's presence, with elders also there. If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time. Why not? As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin . . . At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Jesus reaffirmed this principle as recorded at Matthew 18:15-17. However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony may be deemed sufficient to take action.

>>However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

>>If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take appropriate congregational action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the congregation. Even if he is repentant—is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future—what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10) We take such action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting our children. Everyone in our organization is expected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiritually.—2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-19; 1 Thessalonians 2:4.

>>IN FEW INSTANCES (my caps), individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All the factors are considered carefully. Suppose, for example, that a long time ago a 16-year-old boy had sexual relations with a consenting 15-year-old girl. Depending upon the U.S. jurisdiction where he lived when this happened, elders may have been required to report this as an incident of child abuse. Let us say that 20 years have passed. The child abuse reporting law may have changed; the man may have even married the girl! Both have been living exemplary lives and they are respected. In such a rare case, the man could possibly be appointed to a responsible position within the congregation.

>>Our procedures HAVE BEEN REFINED (my caps). Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policies could be strengthened, we have followed through. WE ARE CONTINUING (my caps) to refine them. We do not believe that our system is perfect. No human organization is perfect. But we do believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse. Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly allow him to serve elsewhere, either because he moved or through a transfer.

>>The Bible teaches that individuals can repent of their sins and "turn to God by doing works that befit repentance," and we accept what the Bible says. (Acts 26:20) Still, the safety of our children is of the utmost importance. We take it very seriously."


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