Question:
Why do atheists think that religion and science can not coexist?
2014-02-18 14:36:27 UTC
Theres a family at my church and I am good friends with the oldest grandchild in that family. He is in the same grade as me, and everyone in his family are scientists. He tells me he wants to be a physicist, his mom is a marine biologist, his dad is a cardiologist, his grandpa was a geographer, his grandma taught chemistry, his uncle is a biologist, twin sister wants to be a biologist, and his little sister who is 12 says she wants to be chemist. All of them are some of the most religious people I know, yet I constantly hear people say that science destroys faith and that you can't believe both science and religion. In fact, atheists are actually the ones pushing people away from science. They always say that religion and science are not compatible, and most people would prefer God over science. Science hasn't stopped my good friends from being religious, and I don't see why they can't coexist. My friend wants told me that science is the "how" of this universe, and religion is the "why".
Seventeen answers:
Bizhen
2014-02-18 14:53:04 UTC
The Bible says, "No man can serve two masters." Some religions are much too domineering to be compatible with science. Religion does not actually tell us anything. It is just primitive fiction used in a scam.
andymanec
2014-02-19 09:03:24 UTC
I think they can co-exist. Humans are wonderful at compartmentalizing beliefs. It's perfectly possible to study how the natural world works without running into conflicts with faith. Even if the two do run together, if you're studying the natural laws of the universe, and you believe that God is the architect of those laws, I can't see how anyone could ever encounter something that would conflict with their faith.



The basic idea of science is to observe the world and make conclusions based on those observations. Problems only start to arise when religion tries to push things backwards - when people take their conclusions and use them to determine what they see. This is where "creation science" comes from (if you watched the Ham/Nye debate, you can see where Ham actually tries to argue that evolution is incorrect because gay marriage is wrong).



You also run into problems when you get religion making testable claims. Like you said, science is the "how" and religion can be the "why"... but unfortunately, religion often tries to dictate the "how" as well. So while the underlying faith doesn't have to contradict science, a literal interpretation of the Bible can't co-exist with science, without a lot of compartmentalization to keep the two separate. I'm not just talking about evolution here, either - not only is the Bible loaded with historical problems, but it's not even consistent with itself.



So, long story short, faith and belief in God can co-exist with science. Biblical literalism and testable claims made by religion cannot co-exist with real science, unless you compartmentalize them in your mind and keep them apart.
Justin H
2014-02-18 14:45:55 UTC
It's not that religion and science can't coexist. It's that religion is often contradictory to scientific principles. Those who accept science, must find a way to reconcile their beliefs with science. To my mind this brings up the question that if one part of a religion is demonstrably false, why should any other part of it be treated as true.



Also, most scientists who believe in "god", have a much more abstract view of "god" and tend to not be strong within a religion.



The other thing is that not all sciences are as contradictory to religion. For example, chemistry doesn't really deal with the same issues as religion, nor does geography. But when you get into astrophysics, geology, and some areas of biology, the sciences can be directly contradictory to religious teachings.
Samwise
2014-02-18 15:01:27 UTC
Science is a particular method for finding out what's true, and it only works for some cases. (You have to be able to formulate testable assertions and then make observations that are complete enough to establish whether the assertions are true.) The cases for which science works cover a wide range of topics, but not all possible questions that might be worth considering.



Religion is a lot of different things, but mainly it's an expression of values (either personal or cultural). It combines many methods, from simple assertion of assumptions to telling stories and then discussing what the stories might mean. It's generally a pretty crappy way of approaching any question that can be answered by science, and usually people who claim science is wrong and religion is right are mistaking the details of the stories for their meanings.



When your friend says religion is the "why," I think he means that religion gives us a way to express values and meanings that are utterly out of the reach of science. They're too personal for science to sort out by any experiment. But science is pretty good at answering questions of "how" something could happen.



If a person makes that mistake I already described, where he confuses the story details with the meanings, he's likely to think he has religious answers to scientific questions. Evolution and the Big Bang are the ones most frequently debated: science has collected evidence that both happened, but the religious stories don't mention either. A person who has mistaken what religion tells us, and who really, really believes his mistakes, can find his faith challenged by scientific fact. A person who avoids that mistake doesn't have that problem.



Some atheists agree to the mistake: they treat the stories as though their details are supposed to be a science text, and therefore (of course) a text that's wrong about a lot of things. For some reason, both religious fundamentalists and atheists tend to read religious texts that way--as though the Bible were written on the level of "See Spot Run." Anybody who has progressed to "The Cat in the Hat," and beyond, really ought to know that most stories are NOT intended to be read that way. But they insist the Bible is, and so they agree on something more important than their disagreement. They argue over whether it's literally true or literally false, and fail to consider that it's not meant literally at all. (As one religious studies professor used to tell us, in proportion to how literally take it, you miss the point.)



Actually, I find that the Garden of Eden story, when read as a myth, tells us very much the same story about the development of the human mind as Richard Leakey's "The Origin of Humankind" (a science text). Religion and science agree quite a bit on what works, and what doesn't work well, in human intelligence--which is, really, the whole topic of the Bible, though it's discussed in terms like "sin" and "justification" that make unsophisticated readers think it's somehow magical.
Mike
2014-03-17 12:45:39 UTC
Religion is only incompatible with science when religion makes testable truth claims. Some religious truth claims are obvious (e.g. God created Adam and Eve and they spawned the human race or the Earth is the center of the universe). Some religious truth claims are less obvious (e.g. ethics/morality was bestowed by God to humankind). If you use religion to establish/determine truths of the universe, then you will almost invariably be in conflict with science and you will almost invariably be on the wrong side off the truth fence. When religion is right, it is by accident (make enough claims and one is bound to be on target once in a while)



If your religion is malleable enough that you can discard any aspect of it when a scientific truth supplants the religious truth, then you will never be in conflict.
?
2014-02-18 14:53:32 UTC
When was the last time your friend's mother gave a seminar on marine biology during church services or discussed God's design of the cuttlefish with other marine biologists? Science and religion rarely coexist.
WillyTK
2014-02-19 06:53:25 UTC
The award for Worst Idea From A Scientist I Otherwise Respect A Great Deal goes to Stephen Jay Gould for NOMA. Acquiescence is endorsement of a system of belief that kills human beings. Yes, science and religion CAN coexist but SHOULD they? The obvious answer to me is no because religion kills people. Maybe not you specifically or how you practice religion but when you buy into a worldview that has zero factual evidence to support it you lose all credibility when arguing against those that would strap a bomb to their chests or fly planes into buildings.



You're welcome.
Waed
2014-02-18 14:46:30 UTC
i guess to me science and religion can't coexist because i'm simply not able to look away from the parts of religion that just don't make sense, some people believe in god and take the scripture with a grain of salt saying that it's just a story, and while that might be true and a lot of people in fact believe in god and science at the same time the problem remains that the church does not officially support scientific theories like evolution or a lot of groundbreaking research like stem cell research of a lot of fundemental human rights like gay rights and the like, so for me i can't in good conscience associate myself with any organisation that does this sort of thing without any hard evidence that the authority on whose behalf the church speaks is actually real. i guess the only situation in which science and religion could coexist is if religion found some way to prove that god exists or if you choose to turn a blind eye to the parts of religion that don't make sense.
Innocent Victim
2014-02-18 14:54:25 UTC
On the contrary. I frequently tell people that religion and science can get along just fine. Unless, that is, one insists on a literal interpretation of scripture. Such an interpretation cannot fit comfortably with ANY scientific knowledge, not even something so elementary as heliocentrism.
Herve
2014-02-18 15:07:31 UTC
Ultimately, science is about testable evidence and examining the natural world. It doesn't pretend to have all the answers.



religion is about faith, establishing dogma, revealed knowledge without evidence, arguments from authority and the supernatural. It pretends to have the answers.



Their methods are incommensurable and the idea of science and religion co-existing as part of an overall world view is dishonest and facetious.

BTW, philosophy is the why.
?
2014-02-18 14:42:23 UTC
Of course they can co-exist....Sometimes science and religious beliefs may clash, but that's for the people who want to believe science and religion, to figure out.
2014-02-18 14:51:18 UTC
I agree , thats an atheist fallacy .

Its bigotry on their part , pretending that science is the domain exclusive to science .

The reason science is a hiding place for atheists , is because of a little clause ,that says , " science is never wrong , it just corrects itself ."

like your friends who are Christians and scientists , science can say " oh its possible - but highly unlikely"

Which is true , in that science has a record of drumming out people who hold to their faith , so your friends are to be commended , for their steadfast belief , in what must've been an uphill struggle to hold to their faoth ...
Ricardo
2014-02-18 14:55:54 UTC
Why do atheists think that religion and science can not coexist



- We don't, fundies say that but what we say is that stupidity and science cannot coexist. Sadly many religious are stupid.



yet I constantly hear people say that science destroys faith



- You will ONLY hear that from fundies, not scientists OR atheists.



In fact, atheists are actually the ones pushing people away from science.



- No, fundies say that, atheists do not.



They always say that religion and science are not compatible,



- No, FUNDIES say that, scientists and atheists have intelligence and KNOW that is absurd.



Science hasn't stopped my good friends from being religious,



- Dr.s Kenneth Miller and Robert T Bakker are both highly religious and are some the formost scientists in their fields.



I don't see why they can't coexist.



- There is no reason why they can't.



My friend wants told me that science is the "how" of this universe, and religion is the "why".



- That is reasonable, not entirely accurate, but reasonable.
?
2014-02-18 14:40:44 UTC
I don't "think" any such thing.

Even a cursory observation of the world shows they *do* co-exist.



I simply point out that "religion" is worthless when it comes to determining facts about the universe (or anything else). It has no place in "science" or rational inquiry, nor in the thought processes of anyone honest and intelligent.



You can continue to "believe" in religion all you want to, I don't care. Science is a proven-reliable method for finding out facts. Religion is a proven UNreliable method for finding out facts. They're not only not "compatible," they're opposites.



Oh, and religion *makes up* supposed "why" answers. Made-up answers aren't answers. They're made-up nonsense.
Certified Jewish Geek
2014-02-18 14:53:18 UTC
Why do YOU believe this about atheists when you have NO data to that effect? Show me some data, then we'll talk.
ANDRE L
2014-02-18 14:41:39 UTC
Leading scientists still reject God



Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998) © Macmillan Publishers Ltd.



Sir — The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total.



Research on this topic began with the eminent US psychologist James H. Leuba and his landmark survey of 1914. He found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected US scientists expressed disbelief or doubt in the existence of God, and that this figure rose to near 70% among the 400 "greater" scientists within his sample [1]. Leuba repeated his survey in somewhat different form 20 years later, and found that these percentages had increased to 67 and 85, respectively [2].



In 1996, we repeated Leuba's 1914 survey and reported our results in Nature [3]. We found little change from 1914 for American scientists generally, with 60.7% expressing disbelief or doubt. This year, we closely imitated the second phase of Leuba's 1914 survey to gauge belief among "greater" scientists, and find the rate of belief lower than ever — a mere 7% of respondents.



Leuba attributed the higher level of disbelief and doubt among "greater" scientists to their "superior knowledge, understanding, and experience" [3]. Similarly, Oxford University scientist Peter Atkins commented on our 1996 survey, "You clearly can be a scientist and have religious beliefs. But I don't think you can be a real scientist in the deepest sense of the word because they are such alien categories of knowledge." [4] Such comments led us to repeat the second phase of Leuba's study for an up-to-date comparison of the religious beliefs of "greater" and "lesser" scientists.



Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality).
2014-02-18 14:41:08 UTC
Look...I can coexist with Justin Bieber. I don't want him dead. But please, keep him as far away from me as possible. That goes for his "musis" too.



Same goes for religion. We can coexist. Jus keep it away.


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