Question:
Einstein said that Quantum Mechanics was wrong! What do you say about that?
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:36:21 UTC
If a quote is attributed to Einstein, it must be factual! Therefore, all you quantum mechanists are wrong! Repent!
21 answers:
Leviathan
2007-11-01 13:38:54 UTC
Einstein was wrong.



This is something I bring up when I hear stupid arguments like 'Einstein said he believed in God, what do you say to that, silly atheists?'



It amounts to argument from authority. Many physicists alive today understand relativity better than Einstein did but then he was grounded in classical mechanics. He just couldn't get his head around the quantum truths. In science the creator of a new theory isn't credited with any special understanding of their idea.



He said 'God does not play dice with the universe' when in fact as far as quantum mechanics is concerned. Probability is everything.



**Figured that's what you meant. Its like the old 'Darwin recanted on his deathbed' argument - wrong but... so what? The greatest mathematician could go on TV and say 2 + 2 is 5 but that wouldn't make it so. Truth can be revealed by great minds but it does not belong to them. It is bigger than any of us.**



You should have mentioned this was in response to Sarah B's question. I only just saw it. Idiots... 'because I said so' is not a good enough reason for any free thinker.
Demetri w
2007-11-01 13:39:28 UTC
"If a quote is attributed to Einstein, it must be factual" If that's what you want to believe. You must also believe that these are factual...





"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

--Albert Einstein--



"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

--Albert Einstein--



"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

--Albert Einstein--



Lastly scientists debate and disagree all the time. People ignorant of scientific methodology easily misunderstand what this means. It simply means that science is a sink or swim field based on the evidence you are able to bring to the table. When it works, no one gets by with "take my word for it".
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:39:09 UTC
do I look like I really care about quantum mechanics?
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:39:47 UTC
Einstein didn't like broccoli! Therefore, I must stop liking broccoli too! And I need to work as a patent officer in Switzerland!





Yeah, the person who used Einstein as a proof of God was pretty stupid.
ms_coktoasten
2007-11-01 13:41:14 UTC
He also said my rear was awesome.



BELIEVE!!
ɹɐǝɟsuɐs Blessed Cheese Maker
2007-11-01 13:39:42 UTC
Einstein was wrong about something?



BLASPHEMY>>>>
bregweidd
2007-11-01 13:39:58 UTC
I'm sorry, please don't punish me
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:39:48 UTC
E=MC2 who...
A.Mercer
2007-11-01 13:39:01 UTC
Ok, provide the quote and a reference for it.
SteelRain
2007-11-01 13:38:49 UTC
I never recalled hearing Einstein say that.,



Are you sure it wasnt one of the boneheaded authors of the bible?
nardhelain
2007-11-01 14:23:31 UTC
Well if Einstein was right about Quantum Mechanics, then somebody owes me tuition for 8 semesters of college. And my undergrad advisor, a proud quantum mechanic, will definitely have a thing or two to say to Mr. Einstein. Einstein was a brilliant guy, but he's not infallible.
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:45:45 UTC
Einstein accepted the science on Quantum Mechanics when it became evident that there was no argument against it. "God does not throw dice" But isn't it peculiar that those dice, random though they are, always produce and are responsible the exact same chemical reaction in the exact same circumstances? I think so. I think that's maddeningly interesting.
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:41:19 UTC
Interesting. Einstein couldn't accept the implications of his own theories (e.g. randomness) and spent the latter part of his life trying to prove himself wrong.



So that means general relativity is wrong? Not so much.
Belzetot
2007-11-01 13:39:50 UTC
I do agree that Einstein is overrated. His two theories of relativity are the culimination of the 19th century physics, and add little to the 20th century which was all about Quantum Physics.
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:41:45 UTC
What happened to common snese?





The man isn't god, he can be wrong.



Go jump in a pool or something, becuse you need to lighten up. (this is coming from someone wound tighter then the virgin mary's legs)
anonymous
2007-11-01 13:59:44 UTC
I like Tesla better then Einstein anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Agnostic Front
2007-11-01 13:43:19 UTC
He also believed in natural selection, hopefully pretty soon you'll be out of the gene pool.
ABB
2007-11-01 13:39:47 UTC
I say: oh, OK.











Now what happens?







EDIT: so, you are saying God DOES play dice? Are you sure about that? Really?

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anonymous
2007-11-01 13:39:37 UTC
Vishal stop trolling.
Supergirl
2007-11-01 14:39:53 UTC
Einstein was in a public debate with Niels Bohr when said that. Einstein was charismatic and very good at public speaking, unlike Bohr who was shy and introverted. Bohr's reply did not receive the same press - "Don't tell god what to do."



It is annoying to hear Einstein being quoted to support religiosity and all it shows is the ignorance of the garden variety theist.



Einstein was a German Jew. He lived in Germany during WWI and left for the USA in 1930. He consistently and unambiguously denied believing in personal gods who answered prayers or involved themselves in human affairs - exactly the sort of god common to religious theists claiming that Einstein was one of them.



It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.



Common to all these types is the anthropomorphic character of their conception of God. In general, only individuals of exceptional endowments, and exceptionally high-minded communities, rise to any considerable extent above this level. But there is a third stage of religious experience which belongs to all of them, even though it is rarely found in a pure form: I shall call it cosmic religious feeling. It is very difficult to elucidate this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it, especially as there is no anthropomorphic conception of God corresponding to it.



- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930





'I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.'



- Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question "Do you believe in God?" quoted in: Has Science Found God?, by Victor J Stenger



It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.



- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman



During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.



- Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught



I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.



- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2



I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God.



- Albert Einstein, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman



Nobody, certainly, will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent, just, and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. ...



- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)



The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exist as an independent cause of natural events. ...



- Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)



It is generally regarded that AE was a pantheist and he self described as having a 'cosmic religious sense'.
stevie
2007-11-01 13:40:53 UTC
vishal...........................................................

do you know what you are saying.

lets say you're right, give u some links or other proof.


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