Question:
Are great souls like Krishna, Rama, Buddha or Christ out of stock? or we are not worthy enough to be given....?
Krishna किंकर Arya
2009-12-28 10:06:19 UTC
chance to meet them?
Has God stopped making the great people as they used to be present in History in the form of Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Christ etc.?
or
Is it a matter of Karma that deprive us of the rendezvous with such great souls whereas such great souls are still in an adequate number? I mean I think we didn't do such Karmas that can give us the chance to meet such great souls. I think we didn't do the Karma like Pareekshit that can give us the chance to meet a person like Shukadev, we didn't do the Karma like Shabari that can give us the chance to meet Shri Ram. We didn't do the karma like Bhargava Parshuram so that Avadhoot Dattatreya can preach us.

What do you think?
22 answers:
Revathy
2009-12-28 15:47:36 UTC
Dear Crimson Eyed Vampireji



Please refer to this link.



Harithaji asked almost similar question a few days back, and many members

answered her including me.



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20091218010845AAnzvmI





In fact we are all Avatars since we all contain the inner Atman, a part of Paramatma. But since we identify with our limited individuality and human powers, we are Avatars only as a potentiality.



The Bhagavad Gita does not use the word avatar. It simply says ‘Sambhavami’. Here, the unclear becomes clear and the abstract becomes concrete. The ultimate divinity can happen within any person. When we practice dharma the divinity within us will manifest naturally.



There are very many great Avatars in our midst that we do not recognize them as Avatars because our mind is clouded with puranic stories only; we only think Sri.Rama, Sri.Krishna or Parama Pita Jesus or Bhudha.



Shridi Baba, Sathya Sai Baba, Mother Teressa, Adi Sankara, Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Mata Amritanandamayi, Maher Prabhu: mother Meera, Thiruvalluvar, Tagore, Jayathiirtha, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa Yogananda, Ramana Maharishi, Swamy Omkarananda Saraswati, Swamy Prabupada, Swami Rama Thirtha. Saint Arunagirinathar, Alvars,Sri.Ramanujacharya, Madhva Charya,Nibarkaracharya, Swami Sivananda, Acharya Rajneesh, Swami Vivekanda, Swami Aurobindo, Sri Sri. Ravi Shankar, Anne Besant Ammayar, Avvayar, Sarada Devi and many more.



The lists go on and on; are they not Avatars? Some of them have accomplished their task and some are accomplishing.



Are you not aware of any Extra-ordinary Indians stories which were published

In media from time to time? In every Country such Extra ordinary souls doing their Sadanas, but we are not aware of them.



http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/aug/12/slide-show-1-extraordinary-indians.htm





This Extra ordinary Bangla Deshi was born in Bangladesh, to uplift poorest of the poor..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus

http://forums.sulekha.com/forums/coffeehouse/dr-ravindra-koelhe-md-in-melghat-maharashtra-his-fee-is-rs-2-for-the-first-consultation-and-rs-1-for-the-second-970330.htm



“Unpurified gold will have fine dust and the like on it and, hence, will not shine. When thoughts become clear and purity of mind is gained life becomes similar to the shining gold by transforming itself into beauty.”

These Extra-ordinary souls with a pure mind, work for the welfare and peace of mankind in our midst and dedicate their service as service to God. Their purpose is to bring a message to everyone just like what puranic Avatars did.



Some extra- ordinary men/women make extra- ordinary donations to remind us that God in human form exits among us;

Pl read this link

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Wife-helps-in-transplant-of-doc-husbands-organs/articleshow/5401251.cms





Such great souls are around you, in your town, in your own village, doing service to others.







These great souls or Avatars are born with a mission, and they never swerved from their goals; they have realized the purpose of their birth, and contributed to the cause of humans in every field just like what you say Sri.Krishna or Sri Rama, wherever and whenever necessary.



Please unmask your perception of Avatars from the puranic angles and realize these great men and women are present day Avatars and they continue their Sadanas in their own way.



We can all reach this ultimate and realize our potentiality by surrendering ourselves totally to which ever God we choose. After all the only purpose of every person taking birth on planet earth is to realize this potentiality



Sriman Naryan took the Form of:



Matsya (the fish) Koorma (the tortoise)

Varaha (the Boar)

Narasimha (half man and half lion)

Vaman (dwarf)





From this it is very clear that an Avatar need not be human, even if the Avatar is human, it can be a 'dwaft'



A great soul need not be always look like Sri.Krishna or Sri.Rama or Bhudha or Jesus,

they can look different like ordinary human and do their Sadanas for which they are born.



In Every nation God comes in different forms in different Avatars whenever and where ever there is a need.

There are many numbers of Saintly persons around the world, who act in their own way for a particular cause.



The list of Saints, Yogis, Baba’s, and extra ordinary Indians which I have mentioned is only a very small portion.



Are we not keeping the picture of Sarada Devi, Maha swamy Sankaracharya, Ramana Maha rishi, Sridi Baba, Sathya Sai Baba in your pooja room and Worshiping; because they are all Avatars known to many of us. But those extra ordinary Indians, other great souls in every nation are not known to many,because they do not broadcast their good work, so we do not recognize them as Avatars; that does not in way reduce their noble service below an Avatar.



All, we have to do is to come out of our limited concept of Avatar and see Avatar in every good act, in every mother, in every sacrifice, in every noble deed, in every act of Love.



Edit:

Please see Sri.Rama in every righteous man, please see Sri.Krishna in every preachings from saints, please see Jesus in every sacrifice, please see Bhudha in every act of Ahimsas.



These extra -ordinary men and women born in every nation , great saints and maha purushas doing sadanas, do not look like those old Puranic Avatar of Sri.Rama and Sri.Krishna?

Sri.Krishna, Sri.Rama, Jusus , Bhudha are born from time to time in every nation, but not in their original form.



Always good souls are born in every country , in every town, in every village,to redeem us, it is for us to open our clouded mind and recognize them and follow their teachings.



Edit:



It is only because we have done good Karma in this birth as well as in our previous birth, we are born as humans, able to read many discourses of these living Saints/ Avatars/ and ask questions like you to to enhance the knowledge.

Had we not done good Karma, we would have born in some un known place where freedom of spiritual practice itself denied.

You are born in a period of Mother Tesresa, and other saintly persons because you did good Karma.

What you are reading about Ex tra ordinary Indians and others too is because of your past and present Karma only

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to this qustion
kailey
2010-01-03 17:26:53 UTC
In Buddhism we all have the same Buddha nature it's just a matter of cultivating it like the Buddha Shakymuni. There wouldn't be the matter of running out of souls. According to Tibetan Buddhism there are many Buddhas of the past and of the future. In between one Buddha and the next it is said to be a time of degeneration. I'm told that it is because of our karma that we were not born in an auspicious time like when the Buddha was here. BUT, if our karma was worse we would have received a human rebirth during the bottem of the degeneration time when no one even has heard of Buddhism or the Dharma. The world will be a much worse place I think during this time. There are still very "holy" or really good people of our time. Ghandi, HH Dalai Lama, Mother Theresa,etc. My teacher Garchen Rinpoche is said to be a bodhisattva (a being that is about to achieve enlightenment or buddhahood but chooses not to in order to help the rest of people in samsara(reincarnation) He was imprisonedin a PRC pow camp and tortured, beaten, and forbidden to practice Buddhism. His ankles were broken anytime he would meditate. He teaches love and compassion for all and truly loves his oppressors and the people who tortured him. To me he is proof that we haven't hit rock bottem yet.

www.forthebenefitofallbeings.com
Miles
2009-12-28 10:39:33 UTC
People are only as good as we make them, and they make themselves. I think that we have the most beautiful, intelligent, strong, and capable souls as we've ever had. Times have changed, and so have they. A display of Biblical or Mythical power in this day and age would be unseemly, and cause quite a bit of havoc. The way they can make the world a better place is by helping out every person they meet, creating, cultivating peace and stopping violence, while being calm, friendly, strong, brave, and generally perfect. That being said, you have met the greatest souls time has ever had to offer.
claptic
2009-12-29 15:35:21 UTC
I read that the 10th, Khalki Avatar, cannot appear until this age is over (Kali Yug) and that until his appearance birth would continue through sexual pollution; afterwards mindborn as in the first root race. (the allegory of vigin births) Too dark and dense the matter, too coarse and impure to come into because in doing so they loose somewhat in someway I do not understand. In the Pistis Sophia, Jesus describes how when he came he had to leave certain of his "garments" behind until his mission was complete. They apparently contain Divine Knowledge. As he came, his appearance was hidden (as he descended) from the archons who are over the different heavens described in the Gnostic faith. When he ascended, he retrieved his robes or garments and upon reappearing on Mt. of Olives to certain of his disciples, his brightness was more than they could look upon. He describes it as exponentially greater with each ascending level. If here 7 power, the next heaven 49, then squared each time if I remember right until it is in the millions of light power. I do not doubt the presence among us of great souls as you say, but as always has been, the mysteries are kept hidden from the profane and given to initiates found worthy to carry them, who do not turn away from their holy vows on the field of sacred duty. Time now to not waver, to stand stedfast, to paralyze the animal passions so the Soul can hear the Voice of the Silence.
odampully
2009-12-30 03:19:20 UTC
Among Krishna, Rama, Buddha and Christ; only Buddha is mentioned in History. Others are imaginations of the religions. Karma is work and it is not a passport to see good people.
kingratt82
2010-01-04 06:54:44 UTC
Interesting title question. But you have to look at this from the perspective of the people that lived those thousands of years ago when those famous people actually lived, and then understand the history behind why those people were/are viewed as Deities.



Modern era has been given its greats, though, but our modern mindset looks at great people as just people. What about people like Billy Graham or Mahatma Gandhi?
2009-12-29 14:18:56 UTC
Those people had revealed the law of Universe - The Secret.Hence I would recommend you to understand the law of attraction or you can watch the movie The Secret or read the same book.

If we know how to attract the good vibes the Universe will obey our wish........



That day May be you can find Christ,Krishna or Budhha in urself!!!! Physic Karma :)
jessica [GORE]
2009-12-28 10:12:01 UTC
These people were great in their own way, whether they existed or not, and so are many different people. Whether you believe in a higher power or not, it's not hard to look at the good in people. There is the makings of a hero in all of us.



And I don't think Karma is a verb...but a noun.



EDIT: I second Beelzebarbie.
?
2009-12-29 06:37:22 UTC
Of all people how can a pious Hindu like you put this question? Are we lost to these souls at any time? They are all available for the calling of the devotees any time. Not just symbolically, but amenable for even direct interface with many, in our own times. The story of the Lady of Health (as Blessed Mary is called in Tamilnadu) temple arising after a darshan of the Mother to a shepherd or the vision of Lord Krishna to the boisterous nationalist Aurobindo who turned saint in his prison and led a whole flock of devotees to advanced spiritual pursuit called Integrated yoga in his later years, etc are still in our memory. Not just the born saints like Ramakrishna and Yogananda who could claim to see and speak to the Divine Mother, but commoners have also had divine vision of the great Avtars in recent century.



Even now saints live in abundance in the distant secluded places, spreading their divine effulgence to the seekers who find them out and seek guidance. If you had not read the experience of variety of great ones and commoners alike who had benefited from the blessing and guidance of Sri Sathya Sai Baba, it appears strange. I read recently a book by one late Abdul Razak, Principal of a Law College in Maharashtra (English translation entitled, Sai Sathya Sakha) that exposed the great mercy of the Lord in guiding a poor muslim to rise high in life!



So if you expand your search diligently you may come across many great souls who could make a great difference in (y)our life /ves!



I enjoyed the elaborate answers of Revathy and our Sikh friend also.
?
2009-12-28 10:23:15 UTC
My dear friend you are so into karma concept,First believe that you deserve everything your ancestors have got else you'll go on with karma.Everything starts from belief,remember what jesus told if you have faith like a mustard seed you'll move mountains.Though am not a christian i can't give the exact words but its means more or less like this.Have faith you'll see great souls only then they'll come to you.The ALMIGHTY doesn't work based on your karma's

Good luck
Thimmappa M.S.
2009-12-28 19:39:53 UTC
No, they are all there and will come when they think the time is ripe and the next one due is the Kalki, who will soon appear. How many of us are ready to receive Him/recognize such souls. Keep the powder dry, he is sure to come to ignite!
Vasant
2009-12-29 04:05:51 UTC
Lord krisha has him self quate in his geeta speech in fourth adhyay soka No. seven and eight regarding to born in this mrityuloka. it means there were no out of stock such souls in his store. But the situation is not develope in such way today that the soul has to born,in case of lord ram born , rishi-maharsi are not able to pray to god ,ravana and like that evil are not allow them to do so.in view of that today situation are so good as the period of sri ram born.
2009-12-29 16:09:13 UTC
i think it is we that are getting smarter.



when some rocket scientist gos to talk to a class of first graders they are in aw of his ability's.as are bush people in south america that have never see a airplane.



when some one with advanced knowledge comes to a group of ignorant people they worship him or her as a god or goddess. but now a days we have a lot of science that can prove weather some one is pulling the wool over our eyes or is in fact special.im sure their are people that can hypnotize large groups of people , and would have seem amazing 7000 years ago. but now they have to prove scientifically there worth and not just say pretty words.
mohan
2009-12-28 22:45:41 UTC
Great souls do reside even today but most of us are oblivious to this fact because the merit we earned in our previous lives is not enough to understand this reality. And act on it.
mukul (still busy on a project)
2009-12-29 03:15:04 UTC
Really i do not have the answer but a great answer from Revathy and Jagjit Singh Thumbs up for both.
.
2009-12-28 10:12:21 UTC
I'm sure they're out there, but they're probably being silenced, as best as possible, to satiate the dependency of the masses to always be right about everything.
SHIVA
2009-12-28 19:15:11 UTC
In this days of net and tv .....a good soul gets only 2 minute publicity .
Jagjit S
2009-12-28 20:20:24 UTC
Dear asker, Revathy has very well answered. Sir I can understand the gist of your question that Avtar like Lord Krishna and Rama like.

In this context my submission is that according to our scriptures like Vedas, Dasamgranth and predictions of great people like Nostradamus, right from Golden age of Satyug till now 23 Avtar have been incarnated. 24th Avtar most likely called Nehkalanki Avtar is awaited to be incarnated in the dark iron age of Kalyug. Kindly refer the relevant question and answer.



https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20091112055108AAvO2Ve&show=7#profile-info-cTt4Gdnnaa



But I think we should not wait for that so anxiously, at a proper time He will appear amongst us. But other Avtars happened till now have not been disappeared, the realty is that we have lost the sight to see Them. They are alive in the form of religious scriptures of Geeta, Ramayan, Bible, Koran Vedas and Guru Granth Sahib like so many holy books. The necessity is to study them and follow in practical life. Rest, we have to leave on the supreme power, Who has definitely to eradicate the sins come up to the brim in the pitcher.

वेदा महि नामु उतमु सो सुणहि नाही फिरहि जिउ बेतालिआ ॥

The Name is the best thing in the Vedas. That they hear not and wander like demons.

कहै नानकु जिन सचु तजिआ कूड़े लागे तिनी जनमु जूऐ हारिआ ॥१९॥

Says Nanak, they, who forsake truth and cling to falsehood, lose their life in gamble.

{{{ Guru Amar Daas Ji, Raag Raamkalee 919 }}}

बेद कतेब कहहु मत झूठे झूठा जो न बिचारै ॥

Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them.

{{{ Bhagat Kabeer Ji, Raag Prabhaatee 1350 }}}



बाणी गुरू गुरू है बाणी विचि बाणी अम्रितु सारे ॥

Gurbani is the embodiment of the Guru and the Guru is the embodiment of Gurbani. In the whole of Gurbani is contained the Nectar.

गुरु बाणी कहै सेवकु जनु मानै परतखि गुरू निसतारे ॥५॥

If the attendant acts up to what Gurbani enjoys, the Guru in person(verily) saves him.

{{{ Guru Raam Daas Ji, Raag Nat Naaraayan 982 }}}



Guru Gobind Singh says in Dasam Granth to identify the gist of the preaching in the Vedas, Puranas and Koran that meditating the name of Lord.

तीरथ नान दइआ दम दान सु संजम नेम अनेक बिसेखै ॥

Taking bath at holy places, exercising mercy, controlling passions, performing acts of charity, practicing austerity and many special rituals.

बेद पुरान कतेब कुरान जमीन जमान सबान के पेखै ॥

Studying of Vedas, Puranas and holy Quran and scanning all this world and the next world.

पउन अहार जती जत धार सबै सु बिचार हजारक देखै ॥

Subsisting only on air, practicing continence and meeting thousands of persons of all good thoughts.

स्री भगवान भजे बिनु भूपति एक रती बिनु एक न लेखै ॥४॥२४॥

But O King! Without the remembrance of the Name of the Lord, all this is of no account, being without an iota of the Grace of the Lord. 4.24.{{{ Guru Gobind Singh Dasam Granth page 40 }}}
Im idiot
2010-01-04 22:27:26 UTC
those people really doesn't exist anytime. though if they existed they have nothing to do with god. since god doesn't exist any more
ra†ia
2009-12-29 14:18:40 UTC
all i can suggest is Ephesians 5:14



salaams...

xx
₪ DN ₪
2009-12-28 10:31:40 UTC
All i can say is 'Wake up....and start living'
2009-12-28 10:11:37 UTC
Well mr moonlight wanna be.



Jesus is God, the others are dead.



The miracle of good souls are all around us, in Christ....they just don't advertise.



We need a "good souls: marketing campaign" I guess


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