Question about the Shroud of Turin and death date of Jesus?

Question

Just so everyone knows; I'm still a learning Atheist. So please don't bash me, just answer and help me understand this:

I was looking up all estimated years of Jesus's birth, death, and resurrection, and I'm finding tons of different answers. So, question #1: When was he born, when did he die, and when was he resurrected? I don't believe in the resurrection part but please give me the date that believers THINK it happened.

I was looking up information on the Shroud of Turin and radiocarbon tests that were done on it revealed it to be from the years 1260-1390 AD, with 95% confidence. So that doesn't line up with the times of Jesus's death and resurrection, does it?

Answer 1

No matter what the date, the thing is a fake. It's not even anatomically correct. People are so damned gullible it's amazing.



Furthermore, anyone here touting radiocarbon dating to support their stance on this subject better damned well remember that when they want to disprove something because of radiocarbon dating!

I'm sick of Christians here using it when it suits them, then bashing it went it doesn't. Typical cherry-pickers.

Answer 2

About 1500 years ago, a monk by the name of Dennis the small (one guess he was short -- the latin name was Dionysius Exiguus) took the bible and tried to estimate the date of Jesus birth based on the claims. He basically pegged the date at what we would not call year 1 by our calendar, i.e. 2010 years ago.

Except that later studies revealed that the date was more likely be between 7 and 2 years earlier, the uncertainty being mostly due to contradiction about events that allegedly happened during those years.



What we can conclude then is that most of the story elements were made up long after the claimed fact, with real event brought up and quoted out of context and without proper cross-checking, and as a conclusion, one can could be so bold as feeling that there never was someone named Jesus *at all*, son of god or even claiming to be; although there were a lot of delusional people back then who did claim to be the messiah. The Jesus character is probably a composite of several of those delirious people.



As for the shroud of Turin, even the carbon 14 results are not enough to convince some. They insist that Jesus when 'resurrecting' did so with some sort of energy pulse that was enough to change the structure of matter and add to the number of carbon 14 in the shroud. When one is that delusional, there is not much to do but share your head, mumble 'sure' and find someone with a more balanced central nervous system for your next conversation.

Answer 3

1) When was Jesus born?



Between 7 BCE and 7AD.



2) When did he die? And when was he ressurected?



Currently estimated to be around 33 AD.



3) THe srhourd of Turin is dated to about 1260-1390 AD.



Wrong. Current research shows otherwise: http://www.history.com/shows/the-real-face-of-jesus/articles/about-the-shroud-of-turin



The tid-bit of the article:



"In 1988, scientists removed a swatch of the shroud for radiocarbon testing. Three independent laboratories concluded that the material originated between 1260 and 1390, leading some to deem it inauthentic. Since then, however, further studies have cast doubt on those results, suggesting that the shroud may indeed date back to the time of Jesus Christ’s life and death.



In March 2010, researchers unveiled a revolutionary radiocarbon dating method that could allow scientists to safely establish accurate ages for precious artifacts like the Shroud of Turin. Unlike traditional carbon dating, the new process does not require samples; instead, the entire object is exposed to an electrically charged gas that gently oxidizes its surface without causing damage. This means that, someday soon, the world may have a more precise estimate of the Shroud of Turin’s real age."

Answer 4

Born: Sometime in the spring of 6 BCE.



Died: Sometime in the spring of 33 CE, or perhaps a few years earlier...the Gospels aren't terribly specific about his exact age at death.



Resurrected: Two/Three days after death. According to the ancient Judean calendar, any part of a day counted as a whole day. Jesus died on a Friday and was resurrected on a Sunday.



Shroud of Turn: The radiocarbon dating has been shown to be on a portion of the shroud that was repaired in the 16th century. So fibers from the 16th century got mixed with fibers from the original shroud, and therefore the carbon dating is inaccurate.

Answer 5

Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince proposed that the shroud is definitely certainly one of the 1st ever occasion of photos, showing the portrait of its alleged maker, Leonardo da Vinci. in accordance to this thought, the image exchange into made by a "magic lantern", an uncomplicated projecting device, or by making use of ability of a digicam obscura and gentle-weight-delicate silver compounds utilized to the textile. whether, Leonardo exchange into born a century after the 1st documented visual charm of the textile. Supporters of this thought for this reason propose that the unique textile exchange right into a undesirable faux, for which Leonardo created a stable hoax and substituted it, in spite of the reality that no contemporaneous comments point out a unexpected exchange interior the extensive-unfold of the image. There exists interior the Turin Library a picture of an old guy, theory to be a self portrait of Leonardo, and because this image depicts a guy with favourite foreheadand cheekbones and a beard, some have seen in it a likeness to the image on the Shroud and reported that as area of a complicated hoax, (and to thumb his nostril on the Church) Leonardo could have placed his very own portrait on the Shroud because of the fact the face of Christ.

Answer 6

1) the year One AD wasn't set until about 300 years after Christ....already at that point, it was guesswork as to exactly when He was born



2) The subsequent testing of the shroud put it on par with the testing done on the Sudarium of Oviedo, which HAS been carbon dated to the time of Christ.

Answer 7

pst: it's all "allegory" in both "covenants": Galatians 4,

and allegory isn't meant to be taken literal or historical.



pst: it's also a "mystery" to solve by seek and find,

but there's also clarity about what to seek and find,

lest you get con-fused by two Sons Jesus, for

cloudy 2 Sons Jesus is not sunny 1 Son Christ



pst: only what began can end, and f-law began,

but eternal grace has no begining nor any end



pst: there's no dead to resurrect in God of the living,

which is to allegory say there's no f-law in His Grace

Answer 8

Well no Christian actually believe the Shroud of Turin is real, so it's not worth worrying about - it's a known forgery

Answer 9

Jesus never existed. There is no proof if he is even historic. There COULD have been a normal man based on him, but the gospels we have were written 40 years after his alleged death.

Answer 10

Time of Birth, Length of Ministry.

Jesus evidently was born in the month of Ethanim (September-October) of the year 2 B.C.E., was baptized about the same time of the year in 29 C.E., and died about 3:00 p.m. on Friday, the 14th day of the spring month of Nisan (March-April), 33 C.E. The basis for these dates is as follows:

Jesus was born approximately six months after the birth of his relative John (the Baptizer), during the rule of Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus (31 B.C.E.–14 C.E.) and the Syrian governorship of Quirinius and toward the close of the reign of Herod the Great over Judea.—Mt 2:1, 13, 20-22; Lu 1:24-31, 36; 2:1, 2, 7.



His birth in relation to Herod’s death. While the date of Herod’s death is a debated one, there is considerable evidence pointing to 1 B.C.E. A number of events intervened between the time of Jesus’ birth and Herod’s death. These included Jesus’ circumcision on the eighth day (Lu 2:21); his being brought to the temple in Jerusalem 40 days after birth (Lu 2:22, 23; Le 12:1-4, 8); the journey of the astrologers “from eastern parts” to Bethlehem (where Jesus was no longer in a manger but in a house—Mt 2:1-11; compare Lu 2:7, 15, 16); Joseph and Mary’s flight to Egypt with the young child (Mt 2:13-15); followed by Herod’s realization that the astrologers had not followed his instructions, and the subsequent slaughter of all boys in Bethlehem and its districts under the age of two years (indicating that Jesus was not then a newborn infant). (Mt 2:16-18) Jesus’ birth taking place in the fall of 2 B.C.E. would allow for the time required by these events intervening between his birth and the death of Herod, likely in 1 B.C.E. There is, however, added reason for placing Jesus’ birth in 2 B.C.E.



Relationship to John’s ministry. Further basis for the dates given at the start of this section is found at Luke 3:1-3, which shows that John the Baptizer began his preaching and baptizing in “the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar.” That 15th year ran from the latter half of 28 C.E. to August or September of 29 C.E. At some point in John’s ministry, Jesus went to him and was baptized. When Jesus thereafter commenced his own ministry he was “about thirty years old.” (Lu 3:21-23) At the age of 30 Jesus would no longer be subject to human parents.—2Sa 5:4, 5; compare Lu 2:51.



Time of his death. The death of Jesus Christ took place in the spring, on the Passover Day, Nisan (or Abib) 14, according to the Jewish calendar. (Mt 26:2; Joh 13:1-3; Ex 12:1-6; 13:4) That year the Passover occurred on the sixth day of the week (counted by the Jews as from sundown on Thursday to sundown on Friday). This is evident from John 19:31, which shows that the following day was “a great” sabbath. The day after Passover was always a sabbath, no matter on what day of the week it came. (Le 23:5-7) But when this special Sabbath coincided with the regular Sabbath (the seventh day of the week), it became “a great one.” So Jesus’ death took place on Friday, Nisan 14, by about 3:00 p.m.—Lu 23:44-46.

Summary of evidence. Summing up, then, since Jesus’ death took place in the spring month of Nisan, his ministry, which began three and a half years earlier according to Daniel 9:24-27, must have begun in the fall, about the month of Ethanim (September-October). John’s ministry (initiated in Tiberius’ 15th year), then, must have begun in the spring of the year 29 C.E. John’s birth therefore would be placed in the spring of the year 2 B.C.E., Jesus’ birth would come about six months later in the fall of 2 B.C.E., his ministry would start about 30 years later in the fall of 29 C.E., and his death would come in the year 33 C.E. (on Nisan 14 in the spring, as stated).



Recent scientific tests have confirmed that the Shroud of Turin is a 14th-century fake. Yet, “Catholics were encouraged to continue their veneration of the shroud as a pictorial image of Christ, still capable of performing miracles,” reports The New York Times. Anastasio Ballestrero, the archbishop of Turin, stated: “The exceptional evocative power of the image of Jesus Christ should be preserved.”

What does this mean? It means that although the church has admitted that the stained image of a man’s body on the shroud is not that of Jesus Christ, faithful Catholics should nevertheless continue to view it as if it were the Christ and thus as something holy. Why? According to Adam Otterbein, a Roman Catholic priest in charge of the Holy Shroud Guild, relics like the shroud can assist believers to render honor to the one the image represents.

Answer 11

I like pumpkins

Answer 12

its a fake duh, its kinda like Jesus toast





but on a blanket