Since Absolutely Nothing never existed, there was always a time when there was something in existence, doesn't this prove their is a god?

Question

(1) Absolutely Nothing never existed. If it had, there would still be Absolutely Nothing now. Its like going into an empty room and waiting for eternity for something to happen, but nothing ever will.
(2) Since Absolutely Nothing never existed, there must have always been time when there was something in existence. This something we can call the Eternal Something.
(3) The Eternal Something then produces Something Else, It must decide to do so. That means that the Eternal Something has a will; thus, It is personal. Therefore, the Eternal Something must actually be an Eternal Someone (or Someones).

Answer 1

Wow, that shows a huge leap of faith from not making a point to concluding it is proof of God.

1. If you were aware of quantum mechanics you would know it has been observed that when elemental particles are smashed together they produce more material than in the initial particles. That does not make either of these particles Gods because they created mass that did not previously exist.

2. Why do we have to call the Universe before the Big Bang such a prosaic name? A black hole, I presume you are aware, is a singularity (well, let's not go into detail and accept it's a singularity for all those quantum mechanics out there). Lots of matter falls into a black hole and is squished down to "nothing" but it's nothing which is still a point of infinite mass. We don't call black holes Eternal Somethings. The Big Bang was the opposite of a black hole (maybe even sparked by a black hole ditching its mass into a bubble universe). It started out infinitely dense then expanded rather than something expanded being compressed to an infinite density. We don't dignify the billions of black holes with the powers or knowledge of a deity.

3. Why must something "decide" - you're gifting a natural process with a brain or a conscience - huge leap of illogic. As discussed, we don't say a black hole decides to swallow up gas and rocks, it's an entirely natural process and doesn't make the black hole in any way sentient.



Are you getting to see how silly you've been and just how making huge, imaginative leaps of made up science doesn't reflect well on you or theists, when science describes the universe perfectly well without resorting to Gods. In ages past people thought eclipses were God taking the sun away for a time and was therefore proof of existence of an almighty. No one believes that today because science has shown what seemed inexplicable outside of supernatural then. The points you raised have been answered by science to some degree for over a hundred years. You just haven't caught up because fantasy seems more interesting to you.

Answer 2

Since Absolutely Nothing never existed, there was always a time when there was something in existence, doesn't this prove their is a god?



---- No.



Here's why:



Premise 1 is not known to be true. No one knows if Absolute Nothing cannot bring forth Something. We don't know, because we've never had Absolute Nothing to experiment on.



Premise 2 is only correct if "Something" does not change. Based on all the Something we know...it changes. Often and a lot.



Premise 3....there is no reason to assume that causes must have agency and volition to produce effects. Sunrays cause skin cancer, but they make no conscious choice to cause it. Of all the trillions of causes that we know, only a very small number of them produce effects consciously. Since we must make a huge assumption with this premise, it would be correct to assume that the Eternal Something would behave like the vast majority of other causes. (I.e. it would NOT produce effects via volition.)



There's also a potential contradiction in Premise 2 and Premise 3, which would make this argument self-refuting.

Answer 3

No. This does not prove God. You have not proven what existed had to be God. Absolutely nothing never existed? Could you be more clear? You're negatives turn it to a possitive. Nothing ever existed or something always existed. And what we think of as nothing, is actually something.

Answer 4

False assumptions.

Accidents do not require will.

Even some complex living organisms have no will.

How did the 'something before' come into existence?

If it can have existed - let's call it 'energy soup' for convenience - random interaction requires no more conscious thought than acid needs to react with metal.

Answer 5

doesn't this prove their is a god?



- Nope. It proves that "nothing" does not exist. You can extend your fantasy to include anything you want, but just be aware, it is your fantasy.



1 - Yes, a little convoluted but yes.

2 - you can call it anything you want, intelligent people call it matter/energy, proven to be that "eternal something".

3 - No, YOU decide it must do so, it does not decide anything. Just like gravity, it does not "decide" to do anything, it just does it.



That means that the Eternal Something has a will



- That is necessary for your fantasy or your pre-conclusion, but not necessary for your fantasy.



Therefore, the Eternal Something must actually be an Eternal Someone (or Someones).



- Monumentally absurd pre-conclusions make an absurd conclusion. some of that - garbage in, garbage out - and you do it so well.

Answer 6

See, I can see what you are saying, and it does make sense. I agree with you. But really, what do we actually know? We aren't living in a place where nothing can exist. To think it's always been that way is a presumption. Probably a safe presumption, but still a presumption.



Edit: as a Christian I was able to trust in God because he reacted to me. So whatever I might believe about all this, I was still able to believe God regardless.

Answer 7

I use to think the same thing, but why does it have to be god? We look at the universe and everything unfolds by completely natural processes; why should we think that what ever started it was anything but natural?



Of course early man thought that we were special and that the universe was built around us, but it clearly is not. It might not be a comfortable idea that we are insignificant in our little corner of the universe, or that we are simply a sustaining chemical reaction, or that there is no higher purpose, but that appears to be the reality of the universe.



Plants are just as alive as humans, yet there is not plant heaven; why? Did God not create them too? Choosing religion because reality is uncomfortable is not faith, it is willful ignorance. Early man invent religion to make sense of the world, and considering all they knew at the time it was not a horrible hypothesis; however, today we know better.

Answer 8

Yes, All of this was addressed by Aristotle in the 4th century BC and he concluded along the same lines, there always has been an immaterial, fully actualized, conscious Prime Mover behind the material universe. Modern Science acknowledged the eternal existence of energy in the First Law of Thermodynamics. The Second Law establishes the material universe had a beginning and Quantum Physics establishes consciousness is fundamental with matter being a derivative of consciousness.



Whether you call it the Prime Mover, or the Quantum Consciousness, there is an eternal, immaterial, conscious entity which is fundamental and the material universe - i.e. reality itself - is a product of this entity.

Answer 9

"Since Absolutely Nothing never existed"

how do you know, but more to the point - how can you prove it?



for a start - what is "nothing"?



Cos all you have so far is an assumption



you want to base your belief on assumptions thats fine (all theists do that) - but it proves f//k all



and it certainly dont prove there is a "god"



How on earth does something existing prove a "god" exists?



The very best it could do is say a "god" COULD exist

("god" just being the name of whatever could exist)



But you are still missing the bits that show that this thing ("god") actually exists AND it created the universe and everything

Answer 10

We dont know that "nothing" never existed. It seems likely that there was always "something" but the idea of nothing never existing is definately not something proven or something that can be proved. Saying that if nothing existed at some point means that nothing would exist now is actually something you have to prove

Answer 11

No need to think of, for some it will come as always something special and for some, nothing is real, for they do not pass the test. God is creative. If you believed all those creation will come to reality.

Answer 12

1/ Start off with a fallacy.



2/ Build faulty hypothesis that supports fallacy.



3/ Claim fallacy is real.



4/ Ask mummy to help tie shoelaces.

Answer 13

if nothing existed - where did god come from?

and who said there was a time when nothing existed?

Answer 14

the god questions always lead to frowns Lol god cursed me and left me a virgin in misery and torment, I have no heart for a god that creates such an existence

Answer 15

" NOTHING EXISTED BEFORE " was a Human Percetion-which has its own limits



But the Next verse clears --that the SAGES were Expressing their doubt --whether anything is "HIDDEN" (Avyaktham) which they were not able to "Decipher"

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Naasdhiya Suktham (Rig Vedam) =>



नासदासीन्नो सदासीत्तदानीं नासीद्रजो नो व्योमा परो यत् ।

किमावरीवः कुह कस्य शर्मन्नम्भः किमासीद्गहनं गभीरम् ॥ १॥



"Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,

There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.

What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?

Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed? "

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This concept "Nothing Existed Before " is a HINDU RIG VEDIC CONCEPT --later-- AFTER 5000 to 7000 years --"PLAGIARIZED"-- adopted and adapted by other "POUPULOUS" Religions

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Rig Vedam period is 7000 BCE ( 9015 years before from today)



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AMAZING FACTS ABOUT ANCIENT INDIA (BLOG)



Sky views in Rigveda (BLOG=> BY Dr,K.SAROJ BALA AND Dr.KULBHUSHAN MISHRA)



There are 53 references in Rigveda as prayers offered to Aswinis at dawn. The description clearly points to the observation of the pair of stars in the Aries constellation (referred to as Aashvin or Asvini) just before sunrise as a ritual to mark the year beginning. Using Planetarium software, “WE” find that the Winter Solstice occurred on 19 December, 7000 BC at 0735 hrs as shown in Figure 1. This is the earliest reference to Vedic calendar with year beginning at Winter Solstice, found in Rigveda (5-77-1/2; 1-46-14; 7-69-3/2).



7000 +2015=9015

Answer 16

Yes, a God

Answer 17

1. Prove it.

2. Correctly follows from previous unproven premise logically.

3. Prove that is "must decide" or "has a will".

Answer 18

What you have here is a particularly poor attempt to solve the existential paradox. Points for effort, but no.

Answer 19

lol go back to logic class you've missed a few steps in your "proof"--you offer mere opinion.

Answer 20

If there was nothign then how did the big bang have room to explode when there was no space to explode in the first lace?

Answer 21

He is the alpha, and the omega. THE BEGINNING, and THE END. he is who he is. he is the Great I AM. he spoke everything that WE know of, into existence, because he is, who he is.

Answer 22

When you try to make a leap that big, you are bound to fail.

Answer 23

Same question - same answer